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Post#1021 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:36 am

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That's nuts. JaVale is not irreplaceable. This year, Marc Gasol may be available, and Tyson Chandler and Nene are available in FA. You don't think if we had Wall and Williams that players of that caliber would consider signing here? In the last year, both Kendrick Perkins and Tyson Chandler have changed teams without an extraordinary cost to the team signing them.

I'm not saying we definitely need to trade JaVale for Williams. I'm not a scout. I am saying that if EG thinks Williams will be the better pro, and could be a multi-year all star, he should pull the trigger.

Also, I saw on another board that Jordan Hamilton is going to come in for a second workout. We must be strongly considering him at 18.


Well I think this is nuts. Just to make sure you realize what we are talking about here:

Marc Gasol 26 years old: 11.7 pts, 7.0 rebs, 1.7 Blk, 16.88 PER, $3.4M salary (obviously getting a raise)
Nene 28 years old: 14.5 pts, 7.6 rebs, 1.0 blk, 20.49 PER, $11.3M
Tyson Chandler 28 years old: 10.1 pts, 9.4 rebs, 1.1 blks, 18.45 PER, $12.75M
Kendrick Perkins 26 years old: 5.1 pts, 7.9 rebs, .9 blks, 9.6 PER, $6.4M
Javale 23 years old: 10.1 pts, 8.0 rebs, 2.4 blks, 17.42 PER, $1.6M with $2.4M next season and a $3.4M qualifying offer in 12/13

edit: Tyson Chandler's season at 23 years old: 5.3 pts, 9.0 rebs, 1.3 blks, 12.2 PER

So I'll offer that up as what I believe to be the common sense that Javale McGee should be untouchable for the next two seasons if only as a cheap big body. Yet it's a cheap big body with unlimited upside


Exactly. Why is this still being tossed around. If he just continues to work on his body like he did last offseason and he is going to get better. And he is certain to mature with age. Look at even Artest. He was a total head case and he finally matured.
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Post#1022 » by Hoopalotta » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:08 am

As to the Williams-McGee debate, I actually think the Javale is being sold short offensively and has the capacity to be the third option who gives you about 12-14 or more points right down the the gut of the opposing defense (if we count free throws).

The guy has zero discipline and limited situational awareness, but IMO, his offensive endevours were whittled downward by our overall lack of playmaking acumen in the starting lineup through most of the year combined with an overabundance of shot takers. Not to make excuses because he generally responded poorly, but I believe a lot of his discipline problems were related to him not thinking he was going to get the ball based on that overall preponderance of gunners. We were fundamentally ill-disciplined overall with that forming a feedback loop as guys are competing with one another to get theirs.

But he's definitely the guy to finish what others create and I thought he showed it towards the end of the year through chemistry with Crawford and then Wall. It wasn't a great offense by any means overall and Crawford might not be the guy longterm, but you bring in some overall playmaking from the backcourt and I think McGee is the better interior scorer to Williams and really, it's not even close.

He strikes me as the classic "you look for him early in the game and he scores. The other team adjusts because they can't handle giving up dunks like that and they take him out of his game a bit, but in doing so, now everyone else has more room to operate". That's the guy who can increase the efficiency of everyone else out on the court, which is one of the main things you're hoping for from your first and second options.

Now, I don't think he's a second option scorer like Williams and I don't think he'll ever have the court awareness to where you're running much beyond a lob for him late in close games, but what I laid out has worth if it comes to fruition. Williams is likely to be that second option scorer and can work a whole lot more shot creating mojo out on the wing, but I think Javale has just as much capacity to make the other team adjust in ways which accrue team-wide advantage.

Even with all the negatives, it was 4.5 shots at the rim on excellent efficiency with another 1.9 shots out within the nine foot range with less scintillating effects, so it's not like there isn't a foundation here (and I definitely thought the 9-foot range shots looked better late in the season too). Offensively, what he really needs to do is, first, just settle down overall, which, as noted, I believe is related to having faith that the team will get him the ball in scoring situations. And then, he really needs to get his free throw shooting up. That was a huge impediment to his scoring efficiency last year - if he can hit those at 70%, he can swing a lot of those turnovers and wild shots into FT attempts (or even makes) as he'll be more confident to consistently take the direct approach to the hoop when he has the ball deep.

And that's not even getting into the idea of him being, you know, a center who brings other things.
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Post#1023 » by Dark Faze » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:52 am

Rumors of the Cavs deciding on Jonas at the 4.

The only question then is if the Raptors would take Kanter over Kemba or Leonard.

Would be a lot less salty about this draft if we can get Kanter.

I also think that Donatas Motiejunas is someone we have to take a hard look at if he's available at 18. I would want him to come over right away though.

That's a front court rotation of Kanter, McGee, Blatche, and Motiejunas. Look to move Serpahin and the 34 to move up and select Shelvin Mack or Singler to roll with Crawford off the bench.
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Post#1024 » by closg00 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:08 pm

Yet another scouting report on Vesely. At this point the mystery will be who we might select at 18 & 34.
For 6 its got to be Kanter, then Vesely.
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Post#1025 » by 7-Day Dray » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:08 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:As to the Williams-McGee debate, I actually think the Javale is being sold shot offensively and has the capacity to be the third option who gives you about 12-14 or more points right down the the gut of the opposing defense (if we count free throws).

The guy has zero discipline and limited situational awareness, but IMO, his offensive endevours were whittled downward by our overall lack of playmaking acumen in the starting lineup through most of the year combined with an overabundance of shot takers. Not to make excuses because he generally responded poorly, but I believe a lot of his discipline problems were related to him not thinking he was going to get the ball based on that overall preponderance of gunners. We were fundamentally ill-disciplined overall with that forming a feedback loop as guys are competing with one another to get theirs.

But he's definitely the guy to finish what others create and I thought he showed it towards the end of the year through chemistry with Crawford and then Wall. It wasn't a great offense by any means overall and Crawford might not be the guy longterm, but you bring in some overall playmaking from the backcourt and I think McGee is the better interior scorer to Williams and really, it's not even close.

He strikes me as the classic "you look for him early in the game and he scores. The other team adjusts because they can't handle giving up dunks like that and they take him out of his game a bit, but in doing so, now everyone else has more room to operate". That's the guy who can increase the efficiency of everyone else out on the court, which is one of the main things you're hoping for from your first and second options.

Now, I don't think he's a second option scorer like Williams and I don't think he'll ever have the court awareness to where you're running much beyond a lob for him late in close games, but what I laid out has worth if it comes to fruition. Williams is likely to be that second option scorer and can work a whole lot more shot creating mojo out on the wing, but I think Javale has just as much capacity to make the other team adjust in ways which accrue team-wide advantage.

Even with all the negatives, it was 4.5 shots at the rim on excellent efficiency with another 1.9 shots out within the nine foot range with less scintillating effects, so it's not like there isn't a foundation here (and I definitely thought the 9-foot range shots looked better late in the season too). Offensively, what he really needs to do is, first, just settle down overall, which, as noted, I believe is related to having faith that the team will get him the ball in scoring situations. And then, he really needs to get his free throw shooting up. That was a huge impediment to his scoring efficiency last year - if he can hit those at 70%, he can swing a lot of those turnovers and wild shots into FT attempts (or even makes) as he'll be more confident to consistently take the direct approach to the hoop when he has the ball deep.

And that's not even getting into the idea of him being, you know, a center who brings other things.


I agree with this. JaVale actually has WAY more moves than other C at his age had, including Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler. He has hooks, fingerolls, counter moves, a dropstep, and a pretty soft touch. He also has decent face-up skills. As he gets stronger, he should even be better in the post. And don't forget that he's a huge target for alley-oops and gets many putbacks. I think he will AT LEAST be a 15-ppg scorer in his prime. I even think that he can develop a semi-reliable jumpshot if he works on it with the coaches enough.

I don't think he'll ever be the scorer that Williams is, but lets not forget the other things JaVale provides that Williams doesn't, like size, and shot-blocking.

JaVale will get better at D. He has all the tools, but he's still young. I have no doubt in my mind that if JaVale puts it all together, that he'll be an All-Star C.
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Post#1026 » by Dark Faze » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:13 pm

Honestly size and shotblocking are completely useless if the guy flat out doesn't understand rotations or staying down. Took Chandler so many years to learn how to play defense. Wall could be gone by the time JaVale learns. We'll see.
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Post#1027 » by AnotherFinn » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:28 pm

closg00 wrote:Yet another scouting report on Vesely. At this point the mystery will be who we might select at 18 & 34.
For 6 its got to be Kanter, then Vesely.
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011 ... ct_17.html


Hmmm :

"What makes Vesely arguably the best and most well-rounded international prospect is his ability at the defensive end. Vesely has proven himself to be a reliable defender in Europe and his talents should transfer over thanks to his great size and legit NBA athleticism.

According to Synergy Sports, Jan performed very well in iso possessions, where he held his opponents to 36.4% shooting and a third of the iso possessions end in a turnover. "

not so bad defender afterall?
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Post#1028 » by DaRealHibachi » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:50 pm

The Bulls had allot of trouble scoring against the Heat in the playoffs... I don't think Wall will become the scorer Rose is, so we need that consistent 2nd option next to him... Williams may or may not become that player, but I think we can all agree that McGee will not become that player anytime soon...

McGee's extension next year makes the decision to trade him now much easier IMO... I rather lose him for the 2nd pick this year than to lose him for nothing next year... or pay him allot of money and regret it afterwards...

I simply don't see McGee becoming any better than he is now, especially since he already think he has a post-game and plays good D because he blocks shots...
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Post#1029 » by fishercob » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:57 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:The Bulls had allot of trouble scoring against the Heat in the playoffs... I don't think Wall will become the scorer Rose is, so we need that consistent 2nd option next to him... Williams may or may not become that player, but I think we can all agree that McGee will not become that player anytime soon...


I don't see anyone arguing that point.

McGee's extension next year makes the decision to trade him now much easier IMO... I rather lose him for the 2nd pick this year than to lose him for nothing next year... or pay him allot of money and regret it afterwards...


I've got faith in the combo of the new CBA and new ownership. I don't think keeping Vale will be as expensive as people think.


I simply don't see McGee becoming any better than he is now, especially since he already think he has a post-game and plays good D because he blocks shots...


This is simply preposterous. He's already demonstrated clear improvement, even if he's still far from a perfect player. Why on earth would he not continue to improve given his age and ability?
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Post#1030 » by sfam » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:01 pm

closg00 wrote:Yet another scouting report on Vesely. At this point the mystery will be who we might select at 18 & 34.
For 6 its got to be Kanter, then Vesely.
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011 ... ct_17.html

So the only people who don't think Vesely has a post-up game are people on this board.
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Post#1031 » by Hoopalotta » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:05 pm

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closg00 wrote:Yet another scouting report on Vesely. At this point the mystery will be who we might select at 18 & 34.
For 6 its got to be Kanter, then Vesely.
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011 ... ct_17.html


Hmmm :

"What makes Vesely arguably the best and most well-rounded international prospect is his ability at the defensive end. Vesely has proven himself to be a reliable defender in Europe and his talents should transfer over thanks to his great size and legit NBA athleticism.

According to Synergy Sports, Jan performed very well in iso possessions, where he held his opponents to 36.4% shooting and a third of the iso possessions end in a turnover. "

not so bad defender afterall?


Yeah, this was the best tangible information I have ever seen reported as to Vesley's actual capabilities.

According to Synergy Sports, Jan performed very well in iso possessions, where he held his opponents to 36.4% shooting and a third of the iso possessions end in a turnover. Shows good balance and footwork on the perimeter. Great agility for guy his size, keeps his feet underneath his hips well.

His post-up defense graded out just as well--held his opponents to 26.7% shooting. Though, Vesely will need to add a few lbs. to his frame to better guard post-ups in the NBA.


http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011 ... ct_17.html

As a rule, if we draft a small forward, he's dubbed as our "Lebron stopper" at least through his first offseason - maybe preseason too if we're lucky - so, you know, Jan will our offseason Lebron stopper.

Technically, i guess he would also be our Childress stopper too:

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They kind of glossed over his rebounding deficiencies though....

The thing holding Vesely back from being the clear-cut third pick (and possible star in the league) is his dodgy shooting touch.


So the fact that Ricky Rubio outrebounded him on the defensive side by a factor of 1.6-to-1 isn't an issue? You gotta like the symmetry of bringing him in with our 29th ranked defensive rebounding numbers, though. Obviously we'll be building around a coherent theme there.

Still, those defensive numbers are genuinely nice. I suppose those are through all three leagues?
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Post#1032 » by sfam » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:07 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:The Bulls had allot of trouble scoring against the Heat in the playoffs... I don't think Wall will become the scorer Rose is, so we need that consistent 2nd option next to him... Williams may or may not become that player, but I think we can all agree that McGee will not become that player anytime soon...

McGee's extension next year makes the decision to trade him now much easier IMO... I rather lose him for the 2nd pick this year than to lose him for nothing next year... or pay him allot of money and regret it afterwards...

I simply don't see McGee becoming any better than he is now, especially since he already think he has a post-game and plays good D because he blocks shots...
I'm willing to believe that McGee never gets his head on straight and that we should trade him for that reason, but I find it really hard to believe he wont advance in his game. I clearly see him getting better skills-wise.
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Post#1033 » by Hoopalotta » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:46 pm

Supplicate to the rumor gods, beyotches!

chadfordinsider Invites to NBA Green Room: Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesely more

chadfordinsider More Invites to NBA Green Room: Kawhi Leonard, Chris Singleton, Klay Thompson, Tristan Thompson, Jimmer Fredette, Marcus Morris

chadfordinsider Also ... Alec Burks invited to Green Room. That's 14 players ... that's what NBA thinks the lottery will be.


Interesting for our 18th options.

chadfordinsider Biyombo then goes to the Pistons on Tuesday and will visit Knicks on Wednesday. There's his range 5-17

@DraftExpress The Knicks are hoping Biyombo drops to them at 17. That's unlikely, so they're exploring moving up. May have to jump ahead of Warriors at 11


I'd definitely trade 18th, 34th and cash to jump up to the mid round and pluck Biyombo if he's tumbling. Looks like we'd have to be stealthy about it.

@DraftExpress The Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Golden State offered Ellis, Biedrins and Udoh. Unlikely that'll get it done.


That's rather absurd and random. 5% chance Dwight gets traded before the draft?

chadfordinsider Combing back through my notes from Eurocamp. Valanciunas measured 7'0"/245 lb with a 7-4 wingspan & 9' 3" standing reach there.


First I heard of the 245 number.

@DraftExpress Minnesota continues to explore trade opportunities for the #20 pick. They won't outright sell it. Still looking for a "veteran big man."


I doubt they give a squirt for our 18th pick in a trade up.
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Post#1034 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:47 pm

JonathanJoseph wrote:Now that it has been confirmed that McGee isn't going anywhere, a few too many posters coming out to say they knew it all along.

If you go 10 pages back in this thread, I think the slight majority here were willing to give McGee AND #6 away for a tweener forward and I hope everyone keeps that perspective in mind when considering all this draft hoopla. It's silly season.

Most of these players will never become more than NBA role players, if that. A few will be good NBA players and most of them will be available at pick #6.


I wasn't even willing to trade him straight up.

It is not often you get a 7-1 athletic player. McGee is way to young to give up on. Specially since he is adding weight and strength.

I know he has played some head shacking ball at times but he has also done things that honestly, no one else in the league can do. And it may have been a trick dunk but who else would double dunk on two rims. That takes an amazing amount of skill and length to pull that off. And he keeps getting invited to Team USA. There is something there.

He also runs like a deer. He added a hook shoot that could be a go to move. That is something he lacks. If he could just get a good to move, that could be a start.

McGee was drafted as a project. It was going to be 5 years before he was hitting his prime which is why is was good to draft him the year we did. That was good forethought.. And while he may never get there, he has game changing upside. It's maturity/personality is what would hold him back. Given his age hopefully that gets better.
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Post#1035 » by Wizardspride » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:20 pm

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McGee was drafted as a project. It was going to be 5 years before he was hitting his prime which is why is was good to draft him the year we did. That was good forethought.. And while he may never get there, he has game changing upside. It's maturity/personality is what would hold him back. Given his age hopefully that gets better.

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Post#1036 » by thinker07 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:31 pm

Chad Ford has reported that the Wiz will be working out Biyombo on Wenesday. INTERESTING!
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Post#1037 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:37 pm

Dat2U wrote:
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I was just watching some Vesely highlight videos. I am still not in favor of drafting him, but damn! Jan can get up! Check out the below video at the 2:06 mark. Vesely looks like his head is well over the rim, and he almost looks high enough to touch the top of the backboard. You don't see a lot of dunks where the entire ball is over the box.


3:55 is pretty impressive too. I guess we can take the Wiz at their word when they say they think they'll be happy with whatever player at 6, if it turns out they can't trade up. Jan does look like he'd run well next to Wall, though we still need rebounders and he still needs a jumper and a sandwich or some creatine.

I do like that he plays heavy minutes on a winning squad. And I like his passion, kid clearly loves to compete. So I'll shrug and give the benefit of the doubt if he's the pick.


The highlight package was pretty impressive. Vesely does attack the rim with abandon on the break. He is an excellent athlete for his size. However the thing I keep coming back to is the bad hands and the poor offensive skill set. I've softened my stance on Vesely a bit but I don't see him being anything more than an energy/effort guy in the league. I honestly want something more than that at 6.

If were going to take a shot in the dark on a flawed euro prospect, I'd go with Biyombo before Vesely or even Valanciunas.



Agreed.

I think there are going to be lots of good players from this draft. Players that can do this or do that. That is very valuable in the long run. The more rounded player and the bigs tend to go higher. Question is, is a Vesely worth the 6th ? I say probably not. Maybe more like #12-15

A slashing finisher is a great tool to have. They can draw a lot of fouls and...they can finish at the rim which is something this team needs more of. But they also need more pure shooters. I keep coming back to that. Come the late rounds of the playoff future) , you need to be able to hit reliably from the outside. But then again, you also need to have people that can finish.
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Post#1038 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:38 pm

Problem with this team is that they need a little bit more is several areas so you have to find the balance.

They need more pure shooters.
They need a finisher
They need some D help at center.

This is why I focused in on Morris DX #10, Brooks ( now up to draftX #15, Tabias DX #20, Nikola DX #23, Harper now DX #28,

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nik ... evic-5828/
He already has the whole diet and workout schedule things worked out. He has that level of maturity already which means he is pretty much a sure things to be a contributor given his size and talent. He is a focus worker.
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Post#1039 » by hands11 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:40 pm

If there was some way we could get Morris, Brooks and Nikola I would be doing back flips.

I would also be very happy with Brooks, Nikola and Harper

If there was a way to trade down from #6 and walk with Brooks, Tabias, Nikola and Harper that would be a total home run in my book. The downside to getting this many rookies is, how many games will they actually get to play before you are drafting again ?

Wall, Crawford ( plenty at PG. Craw is better as a PG/SG back up)
Nick, Brooks ( this would be exciting depth at SG. Brook is more mature. Longer term replacement)
Booker, Tabias, Harper ( lots of options at the SF inside and out and Harper can spot up at SG )
Dray, Lewis, Seraphin ( Dray with Lewis as his back up works, then you have the beef in Kevin )
McGee, Nikola ( more depth at center then this team has had in a long long time. )

Hamady

Yeah they would be young but I say load up on talent then consolidate later if needed.

From here, it would be easier to move Dray if he doesn't work out. You can roll out Nick if Brooks becomes a stud. Tabias could start in front of Booker maybe eventually.
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Post#1040 » by DaRealHibachi » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:42 pm

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DaRealHibachi wrote:The Bulls had allot of trouble scoring against the Heat in the playoffs... I don't think Wall will become the scorer Rose is, so we need that consistent 2nd option next to him... Williams may or may not become that player, but I think we can all agree that McGee will not become that player anytime soon...


I don't see anyone arguing that point.

McGee's extension next year makes the decision to trade him now much easier IMO... I rather lose him for the 2nd pick this year than to lose him for nothing next year... or pay him allot of money and regret it afterwards...


I've got faith in the combo of the new CBA and new ownership. I don't think keeping Vale will be as expensive as people think.


I simply don't see McGee becoming any better than he is now, especially since he already think he has a post-game and plays good D because he blocks shots...


This is simply preposterous. He's already demonstrated clear improvement, even if he's still far from a perfect player. Why on earth would he not continue to improve given his age and ability?



Because he thinks he's better than he actually is, has publicly stated that he doesn't want to learn from the greats b/c he wants to go his own way, his knuckleheadedness, his immaturity, consistently making bad decisions on both O & D... I don't see why it's preposterous to come to that conclusion when taking all these things in consideration...

I just don't see McGee becoming anything more than a backup when it's all said and done... His stats IMO, are fools gold; another April Fools Dray waiting to happen... I don't see the will to improve in him, he looks content with the skills he has now...

I hope he proves me wrong though; I will man up and say I was wrong big-time, b/c I would love nothing less for him than to succeed...
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