ProBasketballdraft.com: Raps and Utah trade partners?

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Even Raja Bell, would go along way on improving this team.

But I wouldn't trade down just for Bell, he's not part of any long term plan. Like I said, insist on Hayward or a future Utah first round pick. They aren't that good that that pick would turn bad overnight.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I'd trade the fifth for 12th and a Favours, or Heyward, or combo of Bell and 2012 first rounder.

[Rhettmatic]

Even Raja Bell, would go along way on improving this team.

But I wouldn't trade down just for Bell, he's not part of any long term plan. Like I said, insist on Hayward or a future Utah first round pick. They aren't that good that that pick would turn bad overnight.

Bell will be 35 in September and posted an 8.2 PER last year. Given that his contract runs two more seasons, I think he has neutral value at best -- but more likely, he's a negative.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

PBTalk's scenario makes little sense with us taking back Milsap, or Jefferson, seeing as their reasoning, is we take Byombo, but we get two bigs, and lose none. Forcing us into a must trade of one or two bigs going into the lockout. Can Milsap play the three?

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Even Raja Bell, would go along way on improving this team.

But I wouldn't trade down just for Bell, he's not part of any long term plan. Like I said, insist on Hayward or a future Utah first round pick. They aren't that good that that pick would turn bad overnight.

Bell will be 35 in September and posted an 8.2 PER last year. Given that his contract runs two more seasons, I think he has neutral value at best -- but more likely, he's a negative.

I put Bell in as a cap dump for Utah to offset some of the value they'd give up in Hayward. The 9th pick in last year's better draft would be perceived as a lot to give up for moving up in this draft.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Jazz are pretty high on Hayward, so I'd expect a 2012 1st rd'r or something.

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Can Milsap play the three?

No

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Even Raja Bell, would go along way on improving this team.

But I wouldn't trade down just for Bell, he's not part of any long term plan. Like I said, insist on Hayward or a future Utah first round pick. They aren't that good that that pick would turn bad overnight.

Bell will be 35 in September and posted an 8.2 PER last year. Given that his contract runs two more seasons, I think he has neutral value at best -- but more likely, he's a negative.[/quote]

I wouldn't do it just for Bell, but his value for us would be floor stretching and def and toughness. He can hit open threes, or has shown the ability too, and he's doesn't take plays off, and he doesn't take crap. IMO, for little money, and playing time requests, he'd add a lot of "stuff" we need. That's why I'd say he'd improve our team.

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Jazz are pretty high on Hayward, so I'd expect a 2012 1st rd'r or something.

Ya, they are high on Hayward, but if they want to score a big double in this draft, it won't come cheap. I'd take their first next year to swap picks only if protection is minimal.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Jazz are pretty high on Hayward, so I'd expect a 2012 1st rd'r or something.

Ya, they are high on Hayward, but if they want to score a big double in this draft, it won't come cheap. I'd take their first next year to swap picks only if protection is minimal.

Yup. They also have GSW's 1st rd'r too next year, I believe. I don't know what the protection is on that.

[itbobby007]

Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

[Bankai]

Insane, am I reading that correctly?! We give them the 5th Pick (Knight) and we only get the 12th Pick?! wow...

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Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

Why would we need another $9 million, mediocre, poor defending point guard? I'm not fan of Harris. This would be pure treadmill stuff.

[S.W.A.N]

Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

Why would we need another $9 million, mediocre, poor defending point guard? I'm not fan of Harris. This would be pure treadmill stuff.

Harris Hayward 12 Calderon 5th

at this point I just playing devils advocate as I want knight or Val and think Utah would really have to wow us...

edit: If we were able to get Biyombo at 12

Coming out of the draft stronger at 3 positions would look pretty good...

[bboyskinnylegs]

Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

I wouldn't do that. Harris is 28 now, I really don't see him as much of a longterm solution here at all. I'd really rather just give Bayless the minutes than bring in another PG on a big contract and have more of a logjam to deal with. There's no way I'd trade down the #5 pick with Utah unless Favors or Hayward is involved (and they likely won't be).

[Prestige]

The only person I'd want from them is Derrick Favors, and I doubt they would do that, unless they don't like what they have and want to replace him with Kanter. Jefferson makes too much, Harris is redundant, and Millsap doesn't fit on this team. No thank you.

[itbobby007]

Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

Why would we need another $9 million, mediocre, poor defending point guard? I'm not fan of Harris. This would be pure treadmill stuff.

I'd have to look up some stat's to back this up but wasn't/isn't Harris considered one of the better defensive PG's in the league? He was heralded as one in DAL kinda of the way G.Hill for the Spurs currently.

Agreed though that the move is treadmill-esque if he is indeed that old as pointed out above.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Would Harris into our TPE + 12 for our 5th pick make sense? I need to give it more thought, but if Bismack is there @ 12, then I probably pull the trigger.

If we came of the draft, with Harris, Byombo, and if we could score a future pick that'd be gravy.

We'd need to find a way to get rid of Jose though. Maybe we keep the TPE and trade Jose and 5th for Harris, 12th and future pick. Maybe Utah doesn't want to throw knight into the fire right away. they didn't even start Williams. Or maybe they have someone, do they have Price still? Maybe we could get value for Jose from elsewhere.

[Calderon]

Hayward didn't show anything in his first season. At this point, I'd rather run with Bayless than take on Harris. A drop from 5th to 12th is pretty significant, Utah would be all over giving us Hayward or Harris to make it happen. Raja Bell really has absolutely no weight in this trade, he's old now, and even if he had something left it wouldn't come close to fitting in the Raptors window.

[highness]

WHAT ABOUT DERRICK FAVORS?? IF THEY PICK KANTER THEN THEY WON'T REALLY NEED FAVORS???!!!!!!!!!