Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

SWedd523 · Post #901 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:28 pm

Hopefully Jimmer goes to Sacto so we have a greater chance of Kawhi dropping. That most recent mock is just about perfect for our needs.

Is their mock better than another possibility of Kawhi, Vucevic, Cole/Goudelock?

ohara · Post #902 » by **ohara** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:36 pm

Reports saying Cavs have settled on Iving at #1, and are fielding offers for #4. That would mean a choice of Kanter, Valanciunas or Vesely. Wonder what Charlotte would have to offer with #9 to get up to #4? And as much as I like Kanter, been seeing a whole lot of talk that Valanciunas is preferred over Kanter. And Vesely will be a terrific player. But what would we have to give up with #9? And would the price be too steep?

bobcats3wallace · Post #903 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:45 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:Hopefully Jimmer goes to Sacto so we have a greater chance of Kawhi dropping. That most recent mock is just about perfect for our needs.

Is their mock better than another possibility of Kawhi, Vucevic, Cole/Goudelock?

I would be very happy with Kawhi and Vucevic in the first round and then whoever in the 2nd round. I don't think it makes much sense to take Kawhi and then take Jordan Hamilton too.

Post #904 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:47 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Hopefully Jimmer goes to Sacto so we have a greater chance of Kawhi dropping. That most recent mock is just about perfect for our needs.

Is their mock better than another possibility of Kawhi, Vucevic, Cole/Goudelock?

I would be very happy with Kawhi and Vucevic in the first round and then whoever in the 2nd round. I don't think it makes much sense to take Kawhi and then take Jordan Hamilton too.

Co-signed on all counts.

ZackAttack23 · Post #905 » by **ZackAttack23** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:41 pm

Downtown wrote:I think that the top pointguards will be gone by #9. May as well stick with DJ and Livingston.

I like Marcus Morris at #9. I'm not listening to him when he recently said he is the most complete player in the draft, but I do think he has more polish and savvy to his game than alot of prospects this year. If he can indeed play small forward fulltime( that's the key) then I think he could be a contributor next season, as good as anyone else that is projected at #9 or below.

I also like Jordan Hamilton at #19. Again, he's polished at what he does, which is scoring.

If Cho could trade Jackson for a center(Sacramento comes to mind with Dalembert and Whiteside, or Jason Thompson), plus lose some salary in the process, then having Morris at small forward, with Hamilton as the sixth man for now at both small forward and shooting guard for bench scoring, then I think it begins your team on it's path to moving up the ladder and reshaping the team to Paul Silas' liking.

Augustin/Livingston
Henderson?Hamilton
Morris/Hamilton
Diaw/Thomas
Dalembert/ whoever
plus the rest of the bench

Dalembert is gonna be a free agent July 1st or whenever the lockout ends,

Downtown · Post #906 » by **Downtown** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:11 pm

Yes, that's why I said trade Jackson for him. In a sign and trade Charlotte would get Dalembert at a lower cost and Sacramento, with the cap space, takes Jackson.

Eoghan · Post #907 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:24 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:I think I would still tend to stay on the Klay Thompson bandwagon. However my stance on Singleton is warming. He shot a respectable percent from 3 last season, which would be my big gripe. We absolutely need 3 point shooter and that's why I like Klay Thompson so much. Walsh even went as far as to compare Thompson to Reggie Miller.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Klay reminded Walsh of Reggie Miller in that Cheryl Miller was better. :lol:

For the record, I'm firmly rooted on the Singleton bandwagon. I think best case scenario, we swap #9 for Utah's # 12 and cash so that Utah can snag their Jimmer quicker before someone else does and draft Singleton @ #12.

Bassman · Post #908 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:53 pm

I really don't get the love for Leonard...why is this guy so valued?? He's not a good shooter; his measurables at the combine were not impressive; and while I do not place smaller schools at an automatic disadvantage, what did he achieve with San Diego State to place him in mid-lottery range?

I do NOT want another bricklayer drafted at 9. I love defense, but if we keep fielding a team that chucks it on O, I'm gonna blow.

Singleton is not my favorite, but he does have an improving offensive game to go with his great D, so he wouldn't upset me. I'd like to trade back to get an extra pick or trade up to get Kanter (or Wiliams if Minny is frisky enough to do that without giving up our 19th pick). Still love Brooks and Vucevic and hope they are wearing our colors Friday.

Post #909 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:11 pm

what are everyones thoughts on tobias harris? he's a player we haven't talked about much for our 19th pick.

bobcats3wallace · Post #910 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:18 pm

Bassman wrote:I really don't get the love for Leonard...why is this guy so valued?? He's not a good shooter; his measurables at the combine were not impressive; and while I do not place smaller schools at an automatic disadvantage, what did he achieve with San Diego State to place him in mid-lottery range?

I do NOT want another bricklayer drafted at 9. I love defense, but if we keep fielding a team that chucks it on O, I'm gonna blow.

Singleton is not my favorite, but he does have an improving offensive game to go with his great D, so he wouldn't upset me. I'd like to trade back to get an extra pick or trade up to get Kanter (or Wiliams if Minny is frisky enough to do that without giving up our 19th pick). Still love Brooks and Vucevic and hope they are wearing our colors Friday.

I was with you...until you started talking about Singleton. All your complaints about Leonard are fair. However to say that about Leonard and then go to Singleton and harp on his "improving' offensive game and great D is a bit unfair. Lets not forget that Leonard has the better offensive game hands down and still has a lot of room to improve. Lets also not forget that Leonard is arguably the better defender of the two. If your going to not like Leonard because of a limited (so to speak) offensive game and because he is a defense first player, then don't double back and say you would be okay with Singleton. Now if you want to talk specifically about shooting, then yes SIngleton has the advantage. However Singleton's 3 point shots all come from the corner while Leonard has more of an ability to hit from anywhere. Anyway, I guess long story short is that Leonard is rightly so rated higher of the two. And really if you don't like one because of defense then you shouldn't like the other either. Both are defense first forwards. I do agree with you though that I would like to see offense at this pick over defense, but if Leonard is sitting there at 9 he holds too much value to be overly upset at picking him.

ohara · Post #911 » by **ohara** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:11 pm

Well CRAP! News now that Valanciunas's buyout will prevent him from playing in the NBA this upcoming year. So whomever takes him has to wait a year. That sucks, as he will now most certainly fall to the end of the Lottery, and that means that someone who would have been there for us will likely now NOT be there. Bad news.

doc.end · Post #912 » by **doc.end** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:47 pm

I surprised this is considered big news. He wouldn't be ready anyway, his buyout was problematic, so to me it was like nobody should expect he will come right away and it that could actually benefit him (or rather his NBA team, as he would be paid on rookie scale later thus older and better). And it is not like there is going to be a season played next year anyway.

Rich4114 · Post #913 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:00 am

If we could trade up and get Kanter, as long as the price isn't too steep - shouldn't we do it? If he's as good as everyone says, locking in a young talented C would be a tough idea to turn down.

ohara · Post #914 » by **ohara** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:12 am

Rich4114 wrote:If we could trade up and get Kanter, as long as the price isn't too steep - shouldn't we do it? If he's as good as everyone says, locking in a young talented C would be a tough idea to turn down.

Yes. The question is, will the cost be prohibitive.

doc.end · Post #915 » by **doc.end** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:12 am

I like the idea of Knicks trading up. They can't trade future first round picks (well maybe 2016+) so it should be No.17 and player compensation. Douglas? Fields?

Dream scenario (for me at least) would be a 3 team deal getting Biyombo (on cheaper contract) + Knicks player for 9th. I don't believe he could slip to 17th.

Post #916 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:50 am

BigSlam wrote:DX has their latest mock posted (now with improved, coloured team logo's!!).

#9 - Kawhi
#19 - Hamilton
#39 - JaJuan

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

I noticed that they had us drafting 2 sf's, would support why we aren't in a rush to sign Cunningham.

bobcats3wallace · Post #917 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:51 am

Rich4114 wrote:If we could trade up and get Kanter, as long as the price isn't too steep - shouldn't we do it? If he's as good as everyone says, locking in a young talented C would be a tough idea to turn down.

I'm not buying into this Kanter hype. I think he could be a solid player but I also think he has a good chance of being nothing. I'm just fine with Vucevic at 19 who can do a lot of the same things with greater size and better rebounding. Not to mention a HECK of a lot less risk.

I like the idea of 9 for Fields and 17. I Just wonder if the Knicks would be willing to do that. They wouldn't have anyone at the 2 and they don't have a ton of money to spend in free agency...do they? From our point of view I like Fields as a back-up to Hendo off the bench. He would be a good young piece that would bring size and 3 point shooting off the bench. That 2-some at SG going forward would be a strong suite of this team. Plus I think you could get a guy like Jordan Hamilton at 17 to make it more than worth it. I like that scenario much better than taking Leonard or Singleton at 9 just because it would bring some much needed offense.

Post #918 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:56 am

Outside of their big 2, the Knicks don't have a great deal of talent and can't afford to trade Fields away. He is a solid player for them on a tiny contract.

Post #919 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:14 am

fatlever wrote:what are everyones thoughts on tobias harris? he's a player we haven't talked about much for our 19th pick.

I think of him as Jared Dudley on roids and with much more upside. Problem is, he really is a classic tweener (just like Dudley). Not big enough to play the 4, not quick enough to play the 3.

He wouldn't be a horrible pick at #19, but I think there will be better options for us.

Post #920 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:16 am

Sachmo wrote:Outside of their big 2, the Knicks don't have a great deal of talent and can't afford to trade Fields away. He is a solid player for them on a tiny contract.

Thing with Fields IMO is that he is too much like Hendo - in that he's a classic role player. I'd rather hang onto the #9 where we have more of a chance to draft a star.

No knock on Fields, I like the kid a lot, but I like him a lot more next to a super star - and we don't have that.