Who has actually seen Kanter play ...

[gflem]

And the smile reportedly on Byron's face was because he realized that Steely was right and he had fallen for the same hype we did here on realgm.

[Kaner]

And the smile reportedly on Byron's face was because he realized that Steely was right and he had fallen for the same hype we did here on realgm.

[7-Day Dray]

DX's analysis on Kanter w/video.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... anter-3743

Please forgive me for posting, but just watched that DX clip for the 1st time, he looks bloody awful defensively. This is against HS kids. He just stands there, doesn't contest, doesn't box out, barely jumps...he can't even rebound with one arm. He is gonna get massively abused at the defensive end in the NBA.

I've never liked Kanter much, but he looks bustastic there. The NBA game is gonna eat him alive.

And is supposed best skill is his rebounding, but I didn't see it. He doesn't get off the floor and doesn't seem to be able to rebound outside his area. He looks like he doesn't box out either. I doubt he's going to be better than average in that dept at best. He's slow and in the NBA will have players stealing rebounds/poking it away from him/out-jumping him.

This in-game footage is much more important to me than any one on one he does. In those all he has to worry about is keeping his man in front of him and nothing else. In game he has to react to shots/drives from other players, and doesn't do a good job of it.

Don't fall for the hype.

[Kaner]

DX's analysis on Kanter w/video.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... anter-3743

Please forgive me for posting, but just watched that DX clip for the 1st time, he looks bloody awful defensively. This is against HS kids. He just stands there, doesn't contest, doesn't box out, barely jumps...he can't even rebound with one arm. He is gonna get massively abused at the defensive end in the NBA.

I've never liked Kanter much, but he looks bustastic there. The NBA game is gonna eat him alive.

And is supposed best skill is his rebounding, but I didn't see it. He doesn't get off the floor and doesn't seem to be able to rebound outside his area. He looks like he doesn't box out either. I doubt he's going to be better than average in that dept at best. He's slow and in the NBA will have players stealing rebounds/poking it away from him/out-jumping him.

This in-game footage is much more important to me than any one on one he does. In those all he has to worry about is keeping his man in front of him and nothing else. In game he has to react to shots/drives from other players, and doesn't do a good job of it.

Don't fall for the hype.

Was he 16 or 17 in that clip? Either way I understand where you are coming from, but I try and stay away from YouTube scouting, especially after our coach was supposedly fairly impressed with his most recent workout. I'll take Byron Scott's opinion over an old YouTube clip

[old rem]

Its so hard to find skilled bigs these days, when you can draft a skilled offensive big with some bulk and some ability to defend one on one its very hard to pass up. It is so much easier to find a serviceable wing in FA or via trade that or in the Cavs case with the TPE that I find it hard to pass up Kanter at 4 if he is there.
I havent seen much of him other than a few highlights, so I am relying on reading scouting reports and draft sights, but we have the first pick to get a sure thing in Irving and if the Cavs scouting dept does their job and picks Kanter so be it. We should be picking a player we think has the most upside at 4 regardless of position though. I believe Kanter is the best choice if available, but if the FO goes in another direction I will have to support it regardless of who it ends up being.

Read again. Nobody suggests Kantner plays any D or ever has. What BITS of info exist...say..Kantner has no skills on D and not a lot of interest in D.

Kanter played in a HS all-star game where-typically-nobody played D. He played a year at an acadamy "private school" that just played other similar schools and never met the good high schools that were playoff talent.

[old rem]

DX's analysis on Kanter w/video.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... anter-3743

Please forgive me for posting, but just watched that DX clip for the 1st time, he looks bloody awful defensively. This is against HS kids. He just stands there, doesn't contest, doesn't box out, barely jumps...he can't even rebound with one arm. He is gonna get massively abused at the defensive end in the NBA.

I've never liked Kanter much, but he looks bustastic there. The NBA game is gonna eat him alive.

And is supposed best skill is his rebounding, but I didn't see it. He doesn't get off the floor and doesn't seem to be able to rebound outside his area. He looks like he doesn't box out either. I doubt he's going to be better than average in that dept at best. He's slow and in the NBA will have players stealing rebounds/poking it away from him/out-jumping him.

This in-game footage is much more important to me than any one on one he does. In those all he has to worry about is keeping his man in front of him and nothing else. In game he has to react to shots/drives from other players, and doesn't do a good job of it.

Don't fall for the hype.

Was he 16 or 17 in that clip? Either way I understand where you are coming from, but I try and stay away from YouTube scouting, especially after our coach was supposedly fairly impressed with his most recent workout. I'll take Byron Scott's opinion over an old YouTube clip

Whatever.....he has hardly played since HS and is a mythical guy who is who you IMAGINE and no more or less.

[Kaner]

DX's analysis on Kanter w/video.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... anter-3743

Please forgive me for posting, but just watched that DX clip for the 1st time, he looks bloody awful defensively. This is against HS kids. He just stands there, doesn't contest, doesn't box out, barely jumps...he can't even rebound with one arm. He is gonna get massively abused at the defensive end in the NBA.

I've never liked Kanter much, but he looks bustastic there. The NBA game is gonna eat him alive.

And is supposed best skill is his rebounding, but I didn't see it. He doesn't get off the floor and doesn't seem to be able to rebound outside his area. He looks like he doesn't box out either. I doubt he's going to be better than average in that dept at best. He's slow and in the NBA will have players stealing rebounds/poking it away from him/out-jumping him.

This in-game footage is much more important to me than any one on one he does. In those all he has to worry about is keeping his man in front of him and nothing else. In game he has to react to shots/drives from other players, and doesn't do a good job of it.

Don't fall for the hype.

Was he 16 or 17 in that clip? Either way I understand where you are coming from, but I try and stay away from YouTube scouting, especially after our coach was supposedly fairly impressed with his most recent workout. I'll take Byron Scott's opinion over an old YouTube clip

Whatever.....he has hardly played since HS and is a mythical guy who is who you IMAGINE and no more or less.

Gotcha...I'll stick to my opinion, you can stick to yours. I am in the majority that see Kanter as a dominant scoring big man prospect...and that's what he is...a PROSPECT. No one is claiming he will walk in and dominate day 1, month 1, who knows... but he does have the size, build, skills, and desire to become a great player at the next level...I don't understand why people that DON'T like Kanter feel the need to lobby against the people that like him...it's seriously just an opinion about sports, noone in the world will agree with everything you think. I shouldn't even have to be explaining this lol but it's gotten annoying lately.

[Baseline Runner]

Whatever.....he has hardly played since HS and is a mythical guy who is who you IMAGINE and no more or less.

Dirk, KG, Bryant, and many others were all pretty much unknowns when they were drafted. I remember KG in particular, as the first high school kid drafted, people thought Minnesota made a huge leap picking him at five. Most thought he was a 4-5 year project at best. Even with Lebron many people thought he would be a bust and was just all hype. You never have perfect information going into the draft and sometimes you just have to trust your basketball knowledge and instincts when picking a player.

[gflem]

Its interesting that watching one youtube video makes someone think they know everything about a specific player. None of us has access to the private workouts, and watching the pre draft camp it was at least easy enough to see that Kanter has the mobility to be decent defensively. He is not some lumbering Mark Eaton type of big man.
Does he have the desire to be good defensively? That remains to be seen of course, but until D Howard actually leaves Orlando how much good does having a 240 lb center that can get pushed around do? IF Kanter has the desire to play D, he at least has the bulk to hold his own along with being able to put pressure on any C with his ability on the offensive end, meaning the opposing C would need to stay home and not be free to roam the paint and stop penetration by the Cavs smaller players (Irving, Davis).
For anyone to say with certainty that player A is going to be great and player B is all hype is ridiculous, and for someone to have an orgasm about a 7'4" wingspan or whatever and proclaim themself a prophet (after overhyping other players and then flip flopping) is laughable. I for one hope the Cavs are right in whoever they pick, my prediposed opinion of who I think is better wont keep me from rooting for whoever their choice is.

[SportySport]

I am a Bobcats fan. I am of the mindset that it is crazy to hype a guy who did not even play last season. Sure he has some talent that has been witnessed by some scouts but taking this guy in the top three is a bit of a reach. Stick with what you at least have had a chance to witness over an extended period of game time as opposed to little time on some video footage. Maybe if Kanter is available at 4 you get him but to take a guy like him in the top 3 seems like it would be a poor choice. Unless the guy practices like Super Man for your team.

[gflem]

I agree that I wouldnt take Kanter at #1 with what I know. I am in the Irving at #1, bpa at #4 or trade down a few spots if he is gone and the team isnt comfortable drafting whoever is left at that point.

[EvilLI]

i saw one time

he was playing very well after that my mom said wake up wake up

you have to go work

im from turkey but no joke i never seen

[jwmann2]

He has also not played organized basketball in a year. I guess this is different than being injured, but how do you expect him to just jump into the NBA competition and be a force?

[gflem]

Who said they expected him to be a force? He is certainly a guy that will need time to adjust, very few rookies dont. We are talking about filling a need with a guy who has the potential to be very good at a position that is difficult to fill. What exactly dont you get about that? Who would you pick ahead of him at #4 that is going to be available? Please expound.

[Rudruff]

You take Kanter first because if you take Irving, and Williams and Kanter go next and then the Cavs have to either take another PG or reach.

[gflem]

Or, trade down with someone interested in Knight and pick up Val at 6 or 7.

[old rem]

Whatever.....he has hardly played since HS and is a mythical guy who is who you IMAGINE and no more or less.

Dirk, KG, Bryant, and many others were all pretty much unknowns when they were drafted. I remember KG in particular, as the first high school kid drafted, people thought Minnesota made a huge leap picking him at five. Most thought he was a 4-5 year project at best. Even with Lebron many people thought he would be a bust and was just all hype. You never have perfect information going into the draft and sometimes you just have to trust your basketball knowledge and instincts when picking a player.

Dirk was not the first HS guy drafted, Moses Malone and Darryl Dawkins, to name two, were long before.

KG + Kobe had just played a season at the top level of HS. Kanter played at an acadamy that did not play the regular HS teams...then sat out a year. The uncertainty factor is pretty much the max,but it's a year without other C's who are roadtested. He's a close you eyes and leap,seemed to have shoot/score ability...nobody knows if he can D, what his work ethic and effort are.

Relatively, Dirk, KG, Kobe and others got scouted a lot when they were playing. Teams are not scouting HS guys assuming they jump right to the NBA, expected to see him at U Ky.