Timberwolves offer #2 for Bynum

jayzfelon · Post #61 » by **jayzfelon** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:56 am

Kilroy wrote:
jayzfelon wrote:Wow you guys are over valuing bynum who has not proven anything yet. 5th in the draft last year demarcus cousin ate him for dinner. Ill take Derrick williams over bynum.

Sweet... Take him... We don't want him...

good then goodbye to your championship run!!

jayzfelon · Post #62 » by **jayzfelon** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:58 am

iki4life wrote:they wouldnt trade bynum for carmelo anthony. what makes them think they will trade bynum for derek williams?

I douubt they offred carmelo for bynum. You really are in lala land.

Jajwanda · Post #63 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:12 am

Completely separate deal but Anthony Randolph+Flynn for Odom and I'm serious.

LApwnd · Post #64 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:15 am

Jajwanda wrote:Completely separate deal but Anthony Randolph+Flynn for Odom and I'm serious.

let me guess, you fell for Randolph useless stat padding towards the end of the season? :-?

Jajwanda · Post #65 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:16 am

He looked pretty good dude. I could counter and say Odom's just as inconsistent.

Post #66 » by **Kilroy** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:28 am

jayzfelon wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
jayzfelon wrote:Wow you guys are over valuing bynum who has not proven anything yet. 5th in the draft last year demarcus cousin ate him for dinner. Ill take Derrick williams over bynum.

Sweet... Take him... We don't want him...

good then goodbye to your championship run!!

Mmmmm... I'm sorry, what? :eek1:

LApwnd · Post #67 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:29 am

Jajwanda wrote:He looked pretty good dude. I could counter and say Odom's just as inconsistent.

so the answer is yes? so your basically trading a sure thing for two guys who have their issues, one is a total bust in Flynn the other puts up meaningless #'s during a meaningless strtech of the season. People thought Randolph was going to explode in NY and what happened?

Post #68 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:29 am

Jajwanda wrote:He looked pretty good dude. I could counter and say Odom's just as inconsistent.

serious?

Jajwanda · Post #69 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:35 am

Randolph's deal is similar to Odom he produces when he knows he's not going to get yanked. I mean he's putting up ridiculous stats on decent percentages without easy baskets being created for him. If he were playing 30 mpg he would be a pretty impressive player and already he provides better shot-blocking.

Flynn has a good shot in our P and R heavy system. His best trait of penetrating into the paint is what we need.

I would say that considering it's a reduction of about 4m a year in salary too, something like:

K-Mart+Randolph+Flynn would be worth Odom.

LApwnd · Post #70 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:40 am

Jajwanda wrote:Randolph's deal is similar to Odom he produces when he knows he's not going to get yanked. I mean he's putting up ridiculous stats on decent percentages without easy baskets being created for him. If he were playing 30 mpg he would be a pretty impressive player and already he provides better shot-blocking.

Flynn has a good shot in our P and R heavy system. His best trait of penetrating into the paint is what we need.

I would say that considering it's a reduction of about 4m a year in salary too, something like:

K-Mart+Randolph+Flynn would be worth Odom.

so are you guranteeing Kmart too if this trade goes through? :lol:

Man you get impressed to easily, just cause he had a few 30pt game towards the end of the season? Is it any wonder Love puts up giantnormous #'s playing in Minn and not winning jack squat? Minn is like the new version of GSW, bunch of stat padders who dont win for ****, as good as AR #'s were his rookie season, is it any wonder Nelly hated his guts and benched him most of the time in his 2nd yr and then same thing happened when he went to NY.

Jajwanda · Post #71 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:41 am

It's all thought (flirtation if you will). I play with these ideas, see which ones are reasonable.

LApwnd · Post #72 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:46 am

Jajwanda wrote:It's all thought (flirtation if you will). I play with these ideas, see which ones are reasonable.

its reasonable but if I"m trading Odom dont want damaged goods, we dont have the time to cater to AR fragile being and Flynn, I dont know man he's already have some serious injury issues at such a young age and even his rookie year dude was already criticised for weak shooting, dont see how his penetrating skill is going to help him if people can play off of him like Rond, Telfair etc.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #73 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:49 am

A.R. can play ... the kid has serious skills, he's just got a soft melon on his shoulders ... a Randolph + Flynn for Odom is a rape trade for us when it comes to talent but is a great trade for the Wolves as well as they get a proven contributor, vet leader, champion and great locker room guy for two under-performing but ultra-talented redundant role players on their current squad ... it's an interesting trade.

Imagine getting Ray Felton and Josh Smith for Odom ... that is sort of talent we'd be getting in Randolph and Flynn ... however production is anything but assured ... what an interesting trade to contemplate.

Jajwanda · Post #74 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:42 am

If the 20 were in it I would do it to be sure.

Something like 41, 46, Odom for 20, Randolph, Flynn. That would let you pretty much rebuild the team's youth in one trade. Randolph works out you have a young Odom next to Bynum for the future.

tugs · Post #75 » by **tugs** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:49 am

Randolph has a great upside but is annoyingly stupid most of the time.

Jajwanda · Post #76 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:17 am

The other guy we've talked about Derrick Williams is also just as intriguing. I wish we could get this guy. He can improve defensively to the point where he's solid (still has fat to shed and he's quicker than people thought) and he's got a great work ethic to do it.

I can't imagine how unbelievably hard he would be to stop. No PF other than maybe Josh Smith has a chance to really stop him. SFs are too weak to do the job against him. Just a complete terror on the offensive end and with a fellow mismatch in Odom alongside him, he'd be phenomenal.

Wizardspride · Post #77 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:00 pm

Jajwanda wrote:.

I can't imagine how unbelievably hard he would be to stop. No PF other than maybe Josh Smith has a chance to really stop him. SFs are too weak to do the job against him. Just a complete terror on the offensive end and with a fellow mismatch in Odom alongside him, he'd be phenomenal.

Fwiw, the same things were said about Glenn Robinson coming out of Purdue.

Just something to consider......

Edit: I think Williams will be good but much like Robinson, not great.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #78 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:45 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:.

I can't imagine how unbelievably hard he would be to stop. No PF other than maybe Josh Smith has a chance to really stop him. SFs are too weak to do the job against him. Just a complete terror on the offensive end and with a fellow mismatch in Odom alongside him, he'd be phenomenal.

Fwiw, the same things were said about Glenn Robinson coming out of Purdue.

Just something to consider......

Edit: I think Williams will be good but much like Robinson, not great.

No, the Big Dog and Derrick Williams are nothing alike. Glenn Robinson was a pure SF with a silky jump shot, completely unathletic, no hope of ever playing defense, no handle, couldn't pass, great college rebounder who was mediocre in the pros, etc ... Derrick Williams is a hybrid, ultra-athletic tweener that is as comfortable banging and throwing down on someone as he is pulling up for 3's ... Williams has much more talent than Robinson ever had, though he isn't quite asd polished offensively.

Effigy · Post #79 » by **Effigy** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:17 am

AI-in-LA wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:.

I can't imagine how unbelievably hard he would be to stop. No PF other than maybe Josh Smith has a chance to really stop him. SFs are too weak to do the job against him. Just a complete terror on the offensive end and with a fellow mismatch in Odom alongside him, he'd be phenomenal.

Fwiw, the same things were said about Glenn Robinson coming out of Purdue.

Just something to consider......

Edit: I think Williams will be good but much like Robinson, not great.

No, the Big Dog and Derrick Williams are nothing alike. Glenn Robinson was a pure SF with a silky jump shot, completely unathletic, no hope of ever playing defense, no handle, couldn't pass, great college rebounder who was mediocre in the pros, etc ... Derrick Williams is a hybrid, ultra-athletic tweener that is as comfortable banging and throwing down on someone as he is pulling up for 3's ... Williams has much more talent than Robinson ever had, though he isn't quite asd polished offensively.

More talent? I disagree strongly. Robinson was the first overall pick in a deep draft that featured Jason Kidd and Grant Hill. Derek Williams is the #2 pick in a much weaker draft and wouldn't be taken over either of those guys. If Derek Williams has the career GRob had, it's a raging success IMO. I am very skeptical that he gets there, but hope he does.

H00PDREAMS · Post #80 » by **H00PDREAMS** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:55 am

Seems like this trade offer was more of the Timberwolves approaching the Lakers and Mitch countered the offer with Odom and then Kahn countered with Pau. Mitch then again revisited with Odom and Kahn shot Mitch down on the last offer. Lakers were unwilling to deal Pau or Bynum. It is suspected that the Lakers were going to flip the pick to another team to facilitate a pending deal that has apparently died.

This is what Chad Ford was saying on ESPN radio right before the draft.