Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

Post #1021 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:07 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba-wp5329

JMAC3 · Post #1022 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Hell even if Kemba is there at 9 we could trade down with Houston and have a chance at him at 14 given teams dont trade up for him. Milwaukee doesnt need him, He is too much like Monta for GS, Utah would of most likely picked Knight and Suns would prefer Jimmer probably. Its a risk, but wow wouldnt that be awesome. And if anything if Kemba is there and we trade down it will just allow someone like Klay or Singleton to slide to 14 easier.

BIG SIX5 · Post #1023 » by **BIG SIX5** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:09 pm

I made this comment yesterday that if Jonas falls in our lap at 9, NOW is they perfect time to stash him oversees for 1more year! He's clearly a top 5 pick and everyone says he could be the best big in this draft! We are TOTALLY REBUILDING! Cho said he we cant be a "middle of the road team" if we want to compete & REBUILDING doesn't happen over the course of 1 season (excpet the Boston 3 Party). Jax & Diaw will be traded at some point and its prob gonna get worse be4 it gets better so why not draft Big Jonas let him marinate one more year overseas then pair him up with who ever our top 5 pick is in next years Draft!

Post #1024 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:14 pm

countryboi wrote:stashing a player overseas is only a smart move a year from now.....right now we stink and i am sure everyone would really love to see some player we draft on the court next season

I'm looking forward to DJA, Hendo, T2 and DJW next season.

I don't really expect anything out of rookies at all. I'd have no problem drafting and stashing Jonas overseas for a year - especially if that means he comes in more ready to play when he does arrive the year after.

Post #1025 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:15 pm

fatlever wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Is-Jonas-Valanciunas-worth-waiting-for-;_ylt=Al5JF7qilaW8.d0yE2V9_qm8vLYF?urn=nba-wp5329

Is he seriously finger tipping that ball??????

Bassman · Post #1026 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:06 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I think if Kemba and Kawhi are gone before 9 then we trade back with Houston and they grab Biyombo at 9. That Leaves Milwaukee, GS, Utah, and Phoenix before the 14th pick. The main players who would get consideration in this range would be most likely Tristan Thompson, Klay Thompson, Jimmer Fredette, Burks, Brooks, Singleton, Hamilton, Twin 1, Vucevic, and Shumpert. Milwaukees options are Twin 1, Both Thompsons and Burks. Golden State would most likely take Klay if he is available. Utah depending on who they take with first pick could go Jimmer or Singleton. Phoenix most likely go with Jimmer, Shumpert, Tristan or Twin 1. So four players will go after Biyombo is selected and we pick. So worst case scenario would be Klay, Singleton, Burks and Twin 1 are picked. If this did happen we would still be left with Vucevic,Brooks and Hamilton at 14 and hope some good players are available at 19 and 23. Possibly one of those three we dont pick at 14. Honeycutt, Motijunas, and Tobias Harris would be some guys to hope are there for later picks possibly. Then again that is probably the worst case scenario for the trade down.

Best Case would be something like this:
14- Klay or Singleton
19-Vucevic or Hamilton or Brooks
23-Honeycutt or Motijunas.
39-BPA

If your "worst case" scenario came to pass relative to those drafted after BB, our 14th pick better nab Vucevic. I read there is genuine interest in him at 16 & 17, so he may be gone well before 19. Hamilton seems to be sliding a bit, as is Brooks, so I think one of those guys will be available at 19..maybe even Monti.

4WhomRajaTolls · Post #1027 » by **4WhomRajaTolls** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:41 pm

I'd like to nominate myself as the President of the Davis Bertans at 19 fan club. Or if the 9 for 14 & 23 trade occurs, the President of the Davis Bertans at 23 fan club. Note: This is if the Vuj and Marshon are off the board as it looks like they may be.

Post #1028 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:45 pm

tell me more about bertans

JMAC3 · Post #1029 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:49 pm

Bertans is similiar to Peja 2 years ago. He just stands there and shoots threes. No shot creating skills, but he is a deadeye shooter. That is all he will bring to the table and if he were an american player he would probably not even be first round talent let alone drafted.

doc.end · Post #1030 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:55 pm

I have no problem with stashing players in Europe, in case of Jonas even till 2013 (when his contract ends, right?). I'm not so high on him but whatever. We should just keep lokking fo another young center in case he turns out to be a bust once he comes over. Aaron Gray type of veteran or someone no yet in the league. I wouldn't pass on some players available at 9th because of him but if it happens I will hope for the best. But I will be grumpier than usual.

doc.end · Post #1031 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:57 pm

BTW Morey said there is 22 first round players in this draft to usual 15-19. Trading down for 14th and 23th just reminded me that,lol.

SWedd523 · Post #1032 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:13 pm

BigSlam wrote:I'm looking forward to DJA, Hendo, T2 and DJW next season.

I don't really expect anything out of rookies at all. I'd have no problem drafting and stashing Jonas overseas for a year - especially if that means he comes in more ready to play when he does arrive the year after.

You're not an average fan.

If we have a lottery pick, average fans will expect him to contribute right away. That doesn't necessarily mean "win", but they want to see the product. "Stashing a player" is a foreign idea to the majority of fans, even in relation to a difficult buyout, and would see it as nothing short of a failure if we can't get a tangible asset playing for the Cats next year.

They'd say, "We obviously need a Center. We take one but don't bring him over? He must suck or doesn't want to play for us."

We need Carolina support nearly as much as we need a winning product. If we were to move up and take DWill and he played like Grandmama v2, we still wouldn't win many games.

But the average fan would say, "Hey I like him, I'll buy a ticket!" That's important to Mike and the future of our team.

JMAC3 · Post #1033 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:19 pm

The Average Fan hates Ricky Rubio.......enough said.

SWedd523 · Post #1034 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:21 pm

I think trading down to the 14 and 23 could backfire on us rather quickly. Looking at the players in our range, I see the majority of them going before 14.

Kawhi -- supposedly has a guarantee from Detroit. The Warriors also really like him. Won't be there at 14

Klay -- West is a huge fan out in Golden State. Won't last past 11 unless someone else falls. Even then, the Suns are a threat

Burks -- The Kings, Bucks, and Jazz have all shown strong interest. Might (might!) be there at 14 if his stock keeps falling

Singleton -- might fall, so if we're really in love with him like they say then maybe. But He might go 12 or 13 too

I guess we could reach on Vucevic if we're scared he doesn't fall to 19 or go with Brooks, but I'm thinking there are too many risks in that trade down and would rather take a guy we really like than move down and take the scraps at 14 and a lesser guy at 23

doc.end · Post #1035 » by **doc.end** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:22 pm

Why should I care about average fans? Even more about Charlottean who don't go to the games anyway. Say no to being taken as a hostage of their desires.

Post #1036 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:26 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:
BigSlam wrote:I'm looking forward to DJA, Hendo, T2 and DJW next season.

I don't really expect anything out of rookies at all. I'd have no problem drafting and stashing Jonas overseas for a year - especially if that means he comes in more ready to play when he does arrive the year after.

You're not an average fan.

No, I'm a.........................................SUPERFAN!!!

But you already knew that.

Post #1037 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:34 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:But the average fan would say, "Hey I like him, I'll buy a ticket!" That's important to Mike and the future of our team.

But if we are talking about about the true future of the team and we can land a top 3 talent with the 9th overall pick with the only draw back being we might have to wait a season for him to start with us - that is thinking about the future of the team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a Slam crush on Jonas, but I totally see the sense in a team like us drafting him and waiting for him...........................especially when we also have the 19th pick (so that means at least 1 rookie will be on our roster next season).

SWedd523 · Post #1038 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:41 pm

doc.end wrote:Why should I care about average fans? Even more about Charlottean who don't go to the games anyway. Say no to being taken as a hostage of their desires.

Thinking that way keeps us in the league basement in attendance, FA signings, and WL record, and puts us near the top of the pile in Relocation and Contraction talks. The loss of average fan support is what led us to losing our beloved Hornets.

Appealing to the average fan is much more important than appealing to hardcore fans. Being a huge fan out in Europe doesn't help nearly as much as the average Charlottean who buys tickets for the family one Saturday night.

BigSlam wrote:No, I'm a.........................................SUPERFAN!!!

But you already knew that.

How dare I forget! :lol:

JMAC3 · Post #1039 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:44 pm

JV has potential to be a top 3 player. He has never been projected higher then 4 though. To me he is going to be a solid NBA center, but it will take us three years to find if he is a bust which puts us back three years without a center. I am not really for or against this plan. I like him more then twin 1 and about the same as Kawhi. I would probably rather have Kemba, Klay and Singleton though.

SWedd523 · Post #1040 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:45 pm

BigSlam wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:But the average fan would say, "Hey I like him, I'll buy a ticket!" That's important to Mike and the future of our team.

But if we are talking about about the true future of the team and we can land a top 3 talent with the 9th overall pick with the only draw back being we might have to wait a season for him to start with us - that is thinking about the future of the team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a Slam crush on Jonas, but I totally see the sense in a team like us drafting him and waiting for him...........................especially when we also have the 19th pick (so that means at least 1 rookie will be on our roster next season).

I and, I would assume, the FO agrees with you. But you have to consider that the franchise is in such a money/viewership bind right now that it wouldn't go over well with the skeptics in the Charlotte area.