Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

Stun704 · Post #1041 » by **Stun704** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:05 pm

Don't see why we should waste our 9th pick on Jonas, when we can draft Vucevic, he is more NBA ready, had more weight on his frame and has the same amount of potential IMO. And plays more like an American. he is the offensive minded center we need, being unathletic he just needs to be paired next to a really athletic power foward.. I don't think we have any of those.. oh weight we do. Tyrus Thomas. Seriously he is the perfect fit for us and our future plans. Take Vucey with 19. Screw Jonas at 9.

hotrod · Post #1042 » by **hotrod** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:18 pm

mikecranston1 Congo's Bismack Biyombo took a nasty fall in #Bobcats workout. Clutched knee but appears to be OK. Silas says surprised by his offense.
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 Silas says Marcus Morris' 2nd workout w/ #Bobcats better than 1st. "He did more than just shoot jumpers. And his knowledge seemed to be up"
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 Saw #Bobcats G Gerald Henderson today. Still on crutches following hip surgery. Says has begun rehab and still hopes to be ready for camp.
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 Higgins says #Bobcats won't make a decision on making qualifying offer for F Dante Cunningham until after the draft.
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 Higgins says if #Bobcats stay at No. 9, looking at 4-6 players.
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 Higgins: "We've had tons of interest in all three of our picks. Now it's up to us figure out what's real and what's not real." #Bobcats
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 #Bobcats prez Rod Higgins on trades: "Rich and I are talking to every team. ... We'll be prepared to take our picks tomorrow or who knows?"
about 2 hours ago

mikecranston1 MJ is here for the final day of #Bobcats pre-draft workouts. Chris Singleton has arrived after flight issues. Workout starting now.
about 5 hours ago

ohara · Post #1043 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:24 pm

Chad Ford says the Bobcats and Houston have in fact discussed a #9 for #14 and #23 swap. I think I would really hope for that rather than see that deal go to the Bucks at #10. Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Post #1044 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:32 pm

so if we loved twin #1 the first time around... and this time he does even better... what does that mean? are we going to trade up to #6 now to take him? cause that seems like a higgins move.

why cant i get excited about twin#1? what if he really is a solid pick? what if becomes a solid 15 and 6 guys for the next decade?

Downtown · Post #1045 » by **Downtown** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:54 pm

Since Big Slam asked me to follow your team after one of my posts, I've been paying more attention than I usually do to the Bobcats.

In one of my posts I mentioned Marcus Morris could be a versatile player that might contribute for years at both forward positions, even if he doesn't become a star(but tell me who will be a star at picks #10 and lower). He strikes me as a young Diaw, with a little more lean on the offensive side than defense in comparison to Boris. If your management does like him, as indicated by way of reports and rumours, if they feel he might still be on the board at #14 then why not take a chance and trade #9 for #14 and #23? Didn't Higgins say they have four different players in mind that they like? If one or two prospects are snapped up between #9 and #13 you still have the other two to choose from. Not bad odds.

Cho also said he wants to aquire assets, which in my mind signals getting as much depth as possible and letting the players fight it out for minutes until the cream rises to the top, and then moving the ones that don't fit. Portland did it that way.

I'm not suggesting Morris is "the" guy, but rather an example of the reasoning of why it might be okay to trade the #9 for #14 and #23.

ohara · Post #1046 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:58 pm

I have to think that at least 1 of the players we are considering at #9 will be on the board at #14. So I would make the deal with Houston, yes. We can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with #9 and #19.

Post #1047 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:59 pm

mikecranston1 Higgins says #Bobcats won't make a decision on making qualifying offer for F Dante Cunningham until after the draft.

This really makes me think we are targeting Kawhi at #9.

Post #1048 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:00 pm

ohara wrote:Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Even better, we'll sell #14 and #19 for cash and then take some bum with increadible upside at #23 that never pans out!!

ohara · Post #1049 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:03 pm

BigSlam wrote:
ohara wrote:Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Even better, we'll sell #14 and #19 for cash and then take some bum with increadible upside at #23 that never pans out!!

You need another pint, Slam! You're not relaxed enough! :-)

countryboi · Post #1050 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:10 pm

mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
#Bobcats appear determined to make a deal or two ahead of tomorrow's draft http://bit.ly/lwEm1X

Post #1051 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:13 pm

Some notes off the last workout

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_n ... rkout.html

Silas seemed more receptive to the idea that Morris could play small forward, as well as power forward. If Morris can play multiple NBA positions, it would be easier to justify selecting him with the No. 9 pick.

Funny - because I always thought that made someone a tweener?

Bassman · Post #1052 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:15 pm

BigSlam wrote:
mikecranston1 Higgins says #Bobcats won't make a decision on making qualifying offer for F Dante Cunningham until after the draft.

This really makes me think we are targeting Kawhi at #9.

You may be right, but it tells me they are targeting several SF's in this draft, and if they get one of them, Cunningham is old toast.

countryboi · Post #1053 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:17 pm

if the cats are determined to make a deal i wonder who they are looking at...

Bassman · Post #1054 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:23 pm

Monster article covering today's workout, with the focus on Congo Bongo:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/feed/2011-03/2011-nba-draft/story/bismack-biyombo-2011-nba-draft-workout-congo-spain

How the heck did this guy get to see so much of the workout? Sure looks like the Cats were willing to give a lot of visibility to this late event! I think they are playing this situation beautifully, by doing their homework while also positioning our pick as a VERY TASTY dish for some team to desire.

Looks like BB did much better and caught the eye. Still, I wonder how well he would actually grade out over time? He's still a lightweight to play the 5...length and reach heck yes...but has he got the muscle and butt to battle other bigger C's?

Post #1055 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:32 pm

Bassman wrote: He's still a lightweight to play the 5...length and reach heck yes...but has he got the muscle and butt to battle other bigger C's?

Why is he a lightweight? Have you ever compared his pre-draft numbers to someone like Dwight Howards?

H w/o Shoes:
BB = 6'8 1/4"
DW = 6'9"

H with Shoes:
BB = 6'9 1/2"
DW = 6'10 1/4"

Weight:
BB = 245lbs
DW = 240lbs

Span:
BB = 7'6"
DW = 7'4"

Reach:
BB = 9'3"
DW = 9'3"

You wouldn't have said that Howard was a lightweight - would you?

Post #1056 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:36 pm

watched the biyombo video. honestly he looked better than i expected. that being said, i've also been watching diop knock down 15 footers with ease in pre-game warmups for 2 years now so...

i believe biyombo's floor is better than current diop though. he is definitely more athletic, agile and quicker than diop. doesnt seem quite as robotic and awkward.

in other news... jonas still trying to get team to let him join nba next season.

bobcats3wallace · Post #1057 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:36 pm

I still think that the Biyumbo workout is just a ploy to draw interest in a possible trade. The Houston deal is good to know were actually talking about. It is defiantly a Cho type deal. I think it will come down to this; is Kemba on the board at 9. If Kemba is there at 9 I don't think MJ can resist himself. If Kemba is not on the board at 9 then you could easily trade that pick and then probably still have Singleton there at 14. Then pray that Vucevic falls to 19 and have the extra pick at 23. So, if Kemba is there we won't deal 9. If he isn't there then we SHOULD trade 9 because Singleton and Morris will both likely be there at 14.

Post #1058 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:40 pm

i think biyombo is plenty big to play center in today's NBA. as we mentioned in the other thread, the centers today are pathetic.

Post #1059 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:41 pm

fatlever wrote:watched the biyombo video. honestly he looked better than i expected. that being said, i've also been watching diop knock down 15 footers with ease in pre-game warmups for 2 years now so...

i believe biyombo's floor is better than current diop though. he is definitely more athletic, agile and quicker than diop. doesnt seem quite as robotic and awkward.

Most of us always said how much better Okafor would have been if he had played angry all the time? That's Bitchsmack to me.

I think he will always be limited on offense, but having an Okafor type player on roids isn't too bad.

dmutombo321 · Post #1060 » by **dmutombo321** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:46 pm

ohara wrote:Chad Ford says the Bobcats and Houston have in fact discussed a #9 for #14 and #23 swap. I think I would really hope for that rather than see that deal go to the Bucks at #10. Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Per the wire today, Vucevik has really impressed in workouts and could go as high as 14 or 15. The Bucks also took a second look at Brooks. Thompson looks to be off the board int he 9-11 range. Singleton in the 9-17 range and Burks' stock may be falling.

Unless there appears to be some indication that Kanter or Vesely is going to free fall, I say do the trade with Houston for the 14 and 23. Leonard at 9, IMO is not that much better of a prospect than the one of Singletary, Hamilton or Morris likely to still be there at #14 to pass on acquiring an additional first round pick at #23.

#14: one or more of Singletary, Marcus Morris, Vucevik, Jordan Hamilton, Burks, Tristan Thompson, Jonas (assuming contract issues), Biyombo should still be on the board

#19 and #23: some combination of Brooks (unlikely I think but you take him all day if he's there at 19), Hamilton, Harris, Dontas, Twin2, Burks (who could himself possibly fall to 19), Faried could still be on the board

In a perfect world, we walk away with something like Vucevik, Hamilton and Brooks or Singletary, Burks and Dontas.

If the move absolutely backfires, we could get stuck with something like Jimmer, Harris, Shumpert. But I'd say the odds of that are low and one of the previous examples is more likely.