Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[BigSlam]

Thought this was interesting:

Bobcats workouts by position:

PG = 14
SG = 13
SF = 13
PF = 19
C = 1

Total: 60

Team that worked out each position the most:
PG = Knicks (17)
SG = Nets (16)
SF = Wizards (15)
PF = Wizards (20)
C = Knicks (8)

Total: Knicks and Wizards (tie = 67)

Bobcats were top three or so in each cat and 2nd only behind the Knicks and Wizards for total workouts.

So at the very least we have done our due diligence.

[bobcats3wallace]

Why is the position we worked out most PF?

Does anyone know if Houston is still interested in Biyumbo and that would be why they want to trade up to 9? If we did that trade with Houston and Biyumbo was there at 14 I would feel a lot better about taking him. I also think Jordan Hamilton at 19 isn't too much of a stretch. Any combination of Vucevic/Biyumbo and Hamilton plus 23 and 39 would be a solid draft IF it could fall that way (with trade). Still not really sold on Biyumbo at 9.

[Bassman]

Chad Ford says the Bobcats and Houston have in fact discussed a #9 for #14 and #23 swap. I think I would really hope for that rather than see that deal go to the Bucks at #10. Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Per the wire today, Vucevik has really impressed in workouts and could go as high as 14 or 15. The Bucks also took a second look at Brooks. Thompson looks to be off the board int he 9-11 range. Singleton in the 9-17 range and Burks' stock may be falling.

Unless there appears to be some indication that Kanter or Vesely is going to free fall, I say do the trade with Houston for the 14 and 23. Leonard at 9, IMO is not that much better of a prospect than the one of Singletary, Hamilton or Morris likely to still be there at #14 to pass on acquiring an additional first round pick at #23.

#14: one or more of Singletary, Marcus Morris, Vucevik, Jordan Hamilton, Burks, Tristan Thompson, Jonas (assuming contract issues), Biyombo should still be on the board

#19 and #23: some combination of Brooks (unlikely I think but you take him all day if he's there at 19), Hamilton, Harris, Dontas, Twin2, Burks (who could himself possibly fall to 19), Faried could still be on the board

In a perfect world, we walk away with something like Vucevik, Hamilton and Brooks or Singletary, Burks and Dontas.

If the move absolutely backfires, we could get stuck with something like Jimmer, Harris, Shumpert. But I'd say the odds of that are low and one of the previous examples is more likely.

I think they will be ready and willing to make that deal once the picks are made and it becomes clear who's available. My curiosity is relative to the guy they would take at 9 versus making that Houston deal (which I think is a good one). My other GREAT curiosity is related to the potential of trading one of our players (Diaw, Jax would seem most obvious candidates) and what we'd get for them.

[BigSlam]

Why is the position we worked out most PF?

Probably says more about the draft class than anything. For instance there are a heck of a lot more PF's in this class than there are C's so it would make obvious sense that teams would work out more PF's than C's.

[ohara]

All the recent talk about Shumpert flying up the draft boards. Big size for a PG. Thentoday I heard and interview with Jimmer on ESPN. Asked him who surprised him the most in a workout - Shumpert.

Kid must really be impressing in workouts.

[ohara]

If we did the Houston trade and got #14 and #23, dont think I'd mind at all if they took Biyombo at #14.

[hotrod]

Draft Express latest mock. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Would be very happy with this draft.

[hotrod]

According to DraftExpress.com, on twitter:
Not sure I quite believe this yet, but Minnesota is apparently telling NBA teams that they are taking Enes Kanter #2 over Derrick Williams.


Both Chad Ford and Draft Express have confirmed this report. I think this means Kemba will be there at 9.

[bobcats3wallace]

According to DraftExpress.com, on twitter:
Not sure I quite believe this yet, but Minnesota is apparently telling NBA teams that they are taking Enes Kanter #2 over Derrick Williams.


Both Chad Ford and Draft Express have confirmed this report. I think this means Kemba will be there at 9.

And I don't think there is anyway in hell that the Jazz trade out of 3 if Williams is sitting there. I would be VERY surprised if Kemba was there at 9 and we didn't take him. Selecting Kemba and Jordan Hamilton (assuming Vucevic is gone) at 9 and 19 would certainly at some nice scoring off the bench. I also like Jajuan Johnson at 39 if we cannot get Vucevic earlier.

[doc.end]

Why should I care about average fans? Even more about Charlottean who don't go to the games anyway. Say no to being taken as a hostage of their desires.

Thinking that way keeps us in the league basement in attendance, FA signings, and WL record, and puts us near the top of the pile in Relocation and Contraction talks. The loss of average fan support is what led us to losing our beloved Hornets.


Appealing to the average fan is much more important than appealing to hardcore fans. Being a huge fan out in Europe doesn't help nearly as much as the average Charlottean who buys tickets for the family one Saturday night.

No, I'm a.........................................SUPERFAN!!!



But you already knew that.

How dare I forget!

No, you are thinking wrong. What appeals to average fan (from Charlotte) is winning. Nothing else gets them into arena. Doing what they want means not winning thus not getting them into arena.

Lack of good marketing (not just shortsighted focus on limited area closest to Charlotte, where people proved as a whole they don't care a damn about Bobcats) is another story.

[doc.end]

so if we loved twin #1 the first time around... and this time he does even better... what does that mean? are we going to trade up to #6 now to take him? cause that seems like a higgins move.

why cant i get excited about twin#1? what if he really is a solid pick? what if becomes a solid 15 and 6 guys for the next decade?

Maybe they consider him at 14th? I surely wouldn't be excited at 9th. Well he may be a lto of fun... off court.

[doc.end]

He's still a lightweight to play the 5...length and reach heck yes...but has he got the muscle and butt to battle other bigger C's?

Why is he a lightweight? Have you ever compared his pre-draft numbers to someone like Dwight Howards?

H w/o Shoes:
BB = 6'8 1/4"
DW = 6'9"

H with Shoes:
BB = 6'9 1/2"
DW = 6'10 1/4"

Weight:
BB = 245lbs
DW = 240lbs

Span:
BB = 7'6"
DW = 7'4"

Reach:
BB = 9'3"
DW = 9'3"

You wouldn't have said that Howard was a lightweight - would you?

And 4.2% of body fat to put that into perspective.

[BigSlam]

DX's latest mock (with Kanter going #2 - considering that is what Minny is saying they are going to do):

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

#9 = Kawhi
#19 = Brooks
#39 = JaJuan

I would be ok with the 1st two picks. I think those two kids would suit each other really well and might be long term solutions at our SG and SF spots.

Would rather take Trey Thompkins or Jordan Williams with the #39 pick though (assuming Tyler is off the board).

[doc.end]

Chad Ford says the Bobcats and Houston have in fact discussed a #9 for #14 and #23 swap. I think I would really hope for that rather than see that deal go to the Bucks at #10. Think we can do more with #14, #19 and #23 than with only #9 and #19. Then again, watch us do it and then Vesely falls to #9.

Per the wire today, Vucevik has really impressed in workouts and could go as high as 14 or 15. The Bucks also took a second look at Brooks. Thompson looks to be off the board int he 9-11 range. Singleton in the 9-17 range and Burks' stock may be falling.

Unless there appears to be some indication that Kanter or Vesely is going to free fall, I say do the trade with Houston for the 14 and 23. Leonard at 9, IMO is not that much better of a prospect than the one of Singletary, Hamilton or Morris likely to still be there at #14 to pass on acquiring an additional first round pick at #23.

#14: one or more of Singletary, Marcus Morris, Vucevik, Jordan Hamilton, Burks, Tristan Thompson, Jonas (assuming contract issues), Biyombo should still be on the board

#19 and #23: some combination of Brooks (unlikely I think but you take him all day if he's there at 19), Hamilton, Harris, Dontas, Twin2, Burks (who could himself possibly fall to 19), Faried could still be on the board

In a perfect world, we walk away with something like Vucevik, Hamilton and Brooks or Singletary, Burks and Dontas.

If the move absolutely backfires, we could get stuck with something like Jimmer, Harris, Shumpert. But I'd say the odds of that are low and one of the previous examples is more likely.

Singletary strikes back

Vucevic or better Vucević no k, should be pronounced somewhat like Vucevich

(my english conversation teacher just did call me spellmaster for a reason, no offense Ijust nitpick )

[ohara]

LMAO! Denver trying to trade into the Top 10. Hey, let's get Felton back!

[hotrod]

Strong Indications: Cavaliers to take Tristan Thompson with the 4th pick if Kanter is already gone
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2011 - 3:19PM
By Tim Morgan
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There are reports swirling that the Cleveland Cavaliers will take Texas PF Tristan Thompson with their #4 pick if Enes Kanter goes to Utah at #3. ESPN's Andy Katz reported that Utah is leaning towards taking Kanter with their #3 pick. The Cavs are looking for a player who can jump right in and contribute right away and they feel that Thompson can do that. Thompson averaged 13 points this season as a freshman at Texas. 

According to Sam Amick from Sports Illustrated:
I'm admittedly shocked to be dropping this early bombshell, but a source said there are strong indications this could be the pick as long as Kanter is off the board by No. 4. The Cavs need a player who can contribute now, and I think Lithuanian center Jonas Valanciunas gets passed up here because he doesn't fit those parameters. Huge upside and all, his buyout with his Lietuvos Rytas team (which was first reported by DraftExpress.com) prohibits him from playing in the NBA next season, and that is a problem for Cleveland.

[BigSlam]

Why the heck would the Cavs take Tristan Thompson #4 when they already have Hickson on the roster?

[ammofan]

Why the heck would the Cavs take Tristan Thompson #4 when they already have Hickson on the roster?

Who the f knows man lol.....makes NO SENSE. Wouldnt they rather take Biyombo who can play C? Or Valanciunas and just wait for him? Tristan Thompson is another Ed Davis type guy imo.

[bobcats3wallace]

Well there is a huge bombshell. Means yet another player will be dropping out of the top 8 as Tristan Thompson was projected for the most part between 10-15. I think Jonas will be the one to drop though, I don't see other teams being interested for the same reason Cleveland isn't interested.

Looks almost like a formality that Kemba will be there at 9. I'll go with...

9: Kemba Walker
19: Jordan Hamilton
39: Jajuan Johnson

If you like scoring, you would certainly like that draft.

[bobcats3wallace]

Why the heck would the Cavs take Tristan Thompson #4 when they already have Hickson on the roster?

Who the f knows man lol.....makes NO SENSE. Wouldnt they rather take Biyombo who can play C? Or Valanciunas and just wait for him? Tristan Thompson is another Ed Davis type guy imo.

Yeah seriously makes no sense and I question that Tristan Thompson is even going to be a contributor right off the bat...puzzling.