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Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL East

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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#21 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:13 pm

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LBJSeizedMyID wrote:You don't get it. I have no attachment to Nix, Davis, Hill, Encarnacion and Rivera. In fact, I hope to hell AA can flip these guys, and think everyone you mentioned will not be with the team next year. It's about letting the young guys grow and develop the confidence, win the minor league awards, etc. It makes for a much easier transition to the major leagues.

The only guys you'll see get called up early are usually the first round draft picks - the Ryan Braun's, Evan Longoria's, Matt Wieters. These are the guys that generally handle the pressure of coming into the majors part way through the season and finding success.

Tampa is doing the same thing with Desmond Jennings. HE looks like he's ready, but Tampa obviously thinks otherwise, hence them signing Johnny Damon.


The fact that you believe that Nix, Encarnacion, Davis or any of these guys have any worth to any team in mlb, makes you lose a little credibility.

The fact that you just compared TB to us, and then compounded it by comparing Johnny Damon to Juan Rivera, Cory Patterson or Rajai Davis just removed all credibility.


The fact that I had any credibility in the first place is kind of a shock.

While I appreciate your attempt at the "booyah!" statement, your lack of comprehension and foresight that both Johnny Damon and Corey Patterson are just keeping the seat warm just means that we'll keep arguing about two different things. In no way did I compare Johnny Damon to Corey Patterson. But even if I did, they're both equally average players.
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#22 » by kwamebargnani » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:21 pm

4th place, 5th place, what's the point?
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#23 » by FreeAgent » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:55 pm

kwamebargnani wrote:4th place, 5th place, what's the point?


Yeah. I didn't realize 4th place came with a trophy.
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Post#24 » by Back2back2back » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:32 pm

The Jays must have the worst 7-8-9 hitters in all of baseball.

You're not going too win many games if you do.

I can see this team ending last in the division.
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#25 » by spykelee » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:43 pm

I've said since pre-season there's 0% chance we finish behind Baltimore and that's still the case. I'll bet anyone we finish ahead of the O's.
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Post#26 » by BigLeagueChew » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:47 pm

Do you lose credibilty if you think the O's are better than the Jays?
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#27 » by luenell » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:17 am

And to think that a couple of weeks ago, someone started a thread about how the Jays are still in it and how the AL East is weaker than usual....
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Post#28 » by Jimmy King » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:55 am

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Post#29 » by Lateral Quicks » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:01 am

I highly doubt that. I''ll wager you 100 interweb points that we finish ahead of Tampa Bay for 3rd rather than after the Orioles in 5th.

It always amazes me the overreaction of fans to a rough streak. Farrell has easily cost this team 3 wins by his decision-making alone. Reverse that, and the team is 3 games above .500, not 3 games below.

Also, the season to date has been a veritable **** of regression, injuries, and IMO horrible personnel management. I'd say there's a good chance all three of these factors become less of a problem as the season wears on.

Regresssion: Cecil and Snider are already on the mend. Drabek will probably need some time - he's never been that bad with his control in his career.

Injuries: Lind, Bautista, Escobar, Morrow, Lawrie have all missed multiple games (I include Lawrie because he was due for a call-up when he got inured). Pretty hard to be your best when 5 of your top 6-7 guys aren't playing.

Personnel management: I think we're all agreed the insistence on trotting out crap to comprise greater than half the lineup day in, day out is baffling given what they have to play with in the minors. Nix will be the first to go, and likely Encarnacion after that. I'd also expect one of Patterson or Davis to be gone by the trade deadline. We can only hope Reyes will join them. After that, you'll probably see a Thames/Rivera platoon at DH, with Snider in LF (or some combination involving those 3 players).

Lineup later this year:

Escobar
Lawrie
Bautista
Lind
Rivera/Thames/Snider
Arencibia
Rivera/Thames/Snider
Hill
Davis/Patterson

That reduces the crap quota to a manageable 2 (Hill and Davis), and both those guys, to be fair, are much better hitters over their career than they are displaying right now.
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Post#30 » by Leolovinliberal » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:48 am

Jimmy King wrote:top 10 in mlb


Too cryptic, please elaborate.
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#31 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:32 am

luenell wrote:And to think that a couple of weeks ago, someone started a thread about how the Jays are still in it and how the AL East is weaker than usual....


It was over a month ago:
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Post#32 » by LLJ » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:27 pm

^^

If there was any time in the season you could point to and say "That's when I knew they wouldn't still be in it at the end," it would be the Red Sox series a few weeks ago. That was one of the worst ass-handings I've ever seen in a single season series in years. And you know, I don't think the Jays have been the same since.
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Post#33 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:34 pm

LLJ wrote:And you know, I don't think the Jays have been the same since.

They've gone 4-5 since. Pretty much what they were doing before the Sox beat them down.

They're a .500 team in a tough division, though perhaps slightly worse as long as they have scrubs comprising half the lineup.
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Post#34 » by Michael Bradley » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:48 pm

.621, .566, .694, .622, .651, .678.

Those are the OPS's for Hill, Nix, Patterson, Davis, Encarnacion, and Rivera. That is 1337 plate appearances of absolute crap. Even JPA, who has a respectful OPS for a catcher (.728), has a .281 OBP, living up to the Barajas comp for the time being.

Bautista is great, Lind is back to 2009 form, and Escobar has been good, but that's it. The lineup sucks.
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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#35 » by Santoki » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:51 pm

But we're 4th in runs! Must be some other crazy problem...
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Post#36 » by Back2back2back » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:37 pm

msantos wrote:But we're 4th in runs! Must be some other crazy problem...


Maybe because the rest of the teams in the AL after us are the same crap?? :lol:

Other than Escobar, Bautista and Lind the rest of the lineup has been a big disappointment.
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Post#37 » by Back2back2back » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:41 pm

We also rank 4th worst in the AL with RISP (avg). Bottom line this needs to improve to have any success!
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Re: I'm calling it now: we're gonna end the season in last 

Post#38 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:17 am

Sonrise wrote:Like I said, I believe that we are the worst team in the Al East, and barring any major moves, I expect us to end there at the end of the season. I'll bookmark the thread and comeback to it in Oct.

So...how's betting on the Orioles working out for you so far?
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Post#39 » by Leolovinliberal » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:12 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Sonrise wrote:Like I said, I believe that we are the worst team in the Al East, and barring any major moves, I expect us to end there at the end of the season. I'll bookmark the thread and comeback to it in Oct.

So...how's betting on the Orioles working out for you so far?


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Re: Calling it now: we're ending the season last in the AL E 

Post#40 » by Lateral Quicks » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:08 pm

Don't forget my wager of 100 internet points that we're more likely to finish above the Rays then behind the Orioles :)

I still think that's going to happen.
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