Slather me, Lather me, Blather me - 2011 Draft Thread 5

7-Day Dray · Post #181 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:34 am

Marshon Brooks will not be better than Nick Young. Young is actually relatively efficient as a scorer, and Brooks can't shoot or slash as good as Young can, and he's not the transition player or athlete Young is. Brooks to me is an inefficient volume scorer who doesn't stand out anywhere else. He's not a good defender, was an average rebounder in his 1st 3 years (or when he played with Greedy Peterson and was playing on the wing instead of as a PF), and he's never won.

hands11 · Post #182 » by **hands11** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:34 am

kirubel94 wrote:Marshon Brooks is the only reason why we should let young go , or at least sign-and then trade him away. If hes there at 18, and we somehow get Kanter, that would be one hell of a draft.

I don't want to let go of Nick just yet.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUPcZq6TFs&feature=related[/youtube]

If he just learns to drive a little more and continues to improve is rebounding and passing as he was showing signs of doing later in the year, Nick should be a beast.

Accumulate assets right now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLGFtWeeMGw&feature=related[/youtube]

People sell Nick short. Freakish long arms, good ball handling, good man D, leaps and a quick wet stroke. The kid broke out last year. Why anyone would trade him now, I just don't understand. I mean you can even give him the ball for a last second shot and feel pretty damn confident you have chance to score. I want to see more Nick and Wall next year with a healthy Dray and better McGee and Booker filling one of the lanes.

Jay81 · Post #183 » by **Jay81** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:36 am

here is what i would do if I was cle GM

1. Williams
2. Minnesota would take Kanter
3. Utah-Irving
4. Brandon Knight

I would get Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight instead of Irving and Jonas or Kanter

Jay81 · Post #184 » by **Jay81** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:38 am

id rather have Jan Brady than Jan Vesley

sfam · Post #185 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:39 am

LyricalRico wrote:Just saw the panel on NBATV breakdown Vesely, and it made me feel a lot better about him. David Aldridge thinks that the Wizards would play him at PF and groom him to be the next Kirilenko. Honeycutt was his pick at 18. (Had no idea he led the Pac 10 in blocks.)

Aldridge clearly hasn't read the Vesely assessments from this board!

sfam · Post #186 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:42 am

Jay81 wrote:id rather have Jan Brady than Jan Vesley

I dunno, I don't think Jan today looks nearly like you imagine she does...you might be veeeery disappointed...

7-Day Dray · Post #187 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:44 am

hands11 wrote:
kirubel94 wrote:Marshon Brooks is the only reason why we should let young go , or at least sign-and then trade him away. If hes there at 18, and we somehow get Kanter, that would be one hell of a draft.

I don't want to let go of Nick just yet.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUPcZq6TFs&feature=related[/youtube]

If he just learns to drive a little more and continues to improve is rebounding and passing as he was showing signs of doing later in the year, Nick should be a beast.

Accumulate assets right now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLGFtWeeMGw&feature=related[/youtube]

People sell Nick short. Freakish long arms, good ball handling, good man D, leaps and a quick wet stroke. The kid broke out last year. Why anyone would trade him now, I just don't understand. I mean you can even give him the ball for a last second shot and feel pretty damn confident you have chance to score. I want to see more Nick and Wall next year with a healthy Dray and better McGee and Booker filling one of the lanes.

Ed Wood · Post #188 » by **Ed Wood** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:44 am

So like every white European prospect is growing some sort of bad facial hair as a part of their pre-draft routine. Is this some sort of preemptive Pau Gasol-inspired attempt to skip right from "soft Euro" to "scrappy **** European?" Do agents suggest this to them? These are the draft questions one must ask in order to truly master the process.

Jay81 · Post #189 » by **Jay81** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:47 am

Forget kanter. He won't slip past Utah

7-Day Dray · Post #190 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:49 am

Jay81 wrote:Forget kanter. He won't slip past Utah

Not if we trade up with them

Jay81 · Post #191 » by **Jay81** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:59 am

Must read

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/art ... cleid=1777

kirubel94 · Post #192 » by **kirubel94** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:12 am

Jay81 wrote:Must read

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/art ... cleid=1777

Jan Vesley compared to Bougut? :roll:

i dont thing so. :roll:

hands11 · Post #193 » by **hands11** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:16 am

Jay81 wrote:id rather have Jan Brady than Jan Vesley

Why would we want Vesley again ? If his main NBA skill is taking it to the hoop to dunk, don't we already have McGee ?

McGee hasn't put it on the floor a ton taking it for dunks but he has shown that skill and I only expect that to get better. He can do the same one dribble from the perimeter and finish with the monster dunk.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xuhlb9VRBQ[/youtube]

Dunks 6 and 3 he put it on the floor.

If we are getting a SF, I want it to be more of a all around Marcus type who can shoot from the outside or a Harris type. I say Jan would be a mistake of a pick. We have other bigger needs.

The Consiglieri · Post #194 » by **The Consiglieri** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:17 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:6 & 18 for Kanter? I do it, but I'm not thrilled. I am anticipating that 18 pick. The other route is maybe move down to Bobcats 9 & 19, maybe end up with something like Singleton, Vucevic, Honeycutt. I am really high on Vucevic, and I'm not convinced Kanter will be better. I like Kanter alot more at 6 than moving up.

But if that's what we do I'm fine with it. Kanter & Nolan Smith at 34 would be a pretty sweet draft.

I would offer the perhaps harebrained idea of offering:

#6 and #18

for #4 and #32.

Would take the edge off of losing 18 if we could deal 32 and 34 for something similar as last year, last year 30 and 35, got us 23, and 56, this year maybe the package we're offering would be good enough for a trade up to Charlotte, Portland or Houston. We could still be in range for Honeycutt, Harris, Harper, and if we were very lucky we might get Faried or could do a draft and stash with Bertans or Mirotic.

I'd probably do the deal as its rumored, but I'd also try to squeeze their second rounder(s) out of them if I could pull it off. The 18 is a primo spot, not quite 14, but still damn good. If we give that up, I would like to get the ammo to get in on guys likely to go just 5-10 slots before 34.

Post #195 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:27 am

hands11 wrote:If we are getting a SF, I want it to be more of a all around Marcus type who can shoot from the outside or a Harris type. I say Jan would be a mistake of a pick. We have other bigger needs.

Aldridge on said on NBATV that the Wiz would play him at PF and would develop him to be the next Kirilenko. As I recall, AK47 wasn't a great shooter when he first came into the league and played with Stockton/Malone. Vesely is certainly bigger (as in heavier) than Kirilenko was.

The Consiglieri · Post #196 » by **The Consiglieri** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:38 am

LyricalRico wrote:And as for the Spurs, could they be targeting JV? They could make another run with Duncan (one year left on his deal) and then bring JV over the form a young twin towers with Splitter.

Here's a shocker - maybe the Cavs take Derrick Williams at #1 and then use their TPE to trade the 4 to San Antonio for parker!

That or Vesely strikes me as their target. I would be a big fan of getting Jonas at 6 if he was there, the buyout doesn't bother me, this team is going to stink next year regardless of what happens with our top pick, if Jonas is expected to have a huge ceiling I have no problem waiting on it, I'm sure Leonsis is on a 3+ year plan, he's probably not expecting this team to be 50+ win good or better till '13-'14, and if that's so, Johnny V is a quality target and option, particularly since for me, it would give us one more season of landing a nice pick in a quality draft. I have a hard time seeing us picking higher than early mid round for '13, so landing a great pick in '12 is an additional pay off for drafting and stashing at 6, particularly since 18 will already offer us a legit option.

For me, I'd refuse to trade up, make Cleveland decide, and take Jonas Or Vesely if Kantner is gone, or if i was convinced Leonard was legit, Leonard (and of course, one could trade down and stock up on picks, I'd target Charlotte, though I dont know if Charlotte would do it).

hands11 · Post #197 » by **hands11** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:48 am

LyricalRico wrote:
hands11 wrote:If we are getting a SF, I want it to be more of a all around Marcus type who can shoot from the outside or a Harris type. I say Jan would be a mistake of a pick. We have other bigger needs.

Aldridge on said on NBATV that the Wiz would play him at PF and would develop him to be the next Kirilenko. As I recall, AK47 wasn't a great shooter when he first came into the league and played with Stockton/Malone. Vesely is certainly bigger (as in heavier) than Kirilenko was.

Hmmm.

I guess trust in EG. It's not what my gut is saying but then again, I'm not the GM.

I will follow the players I was interested in any. Here or not.

I guess they need some white bread on the team. They lost Kirk and AJ.

Post #198 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:55 am

^ Still watching NBATV...Aldridge has Vesely as his #2 PF behind DWill. A Euro league coach was on and he said that Vesely is tough and experienced, but needs to be in the right situation to have an impact in the NBA.

The thing that has me excited is that is sounds like the organization sees Vesely as a replacement for Blatche. That along makes him worth the pick. If they really do intend to build around McGee, and also plan to take a SF at #18 - Vesely seems like he would be the pick.

dangermouse · Post #199 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:07 am

Call Kahn's bluff.

When he skips over Kanter for DWill, other teams may have been looking at other players and will just go with what they wanted anyway.

At #4 if the Cavs take Kanter, offer the #6 and #18 straight away and get the deal going so we can work out who to pick for them at #6. I still doubt Utah takes Kanter.

jivelikenice · Post #200 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:25 am

LyricalRico wrote:^ Still watching NBATV...Aldridge has Vesely as his #2 PF behind DWill. A Euro league coach was on and he said that Vesely is tough and experienced, but needs to be in the right situation to have an impact in the NBA.

The thing that has me excited is that is sounds like the organization sees Vesely as a replacement for Blatche. That along makes him worth the pick. If they really do intend to build around McGee, and also plan to take a SF at #18 - Vesely seems like he would be the pick.

The Vesely pick is growing on me. If we want to develop into a running team with Wall, we need players who can actually run the floor....Who on this team aside from McGee and Crawford can run the floor with Wall?