If the Suns come calling

Quasi Arcane · Post #1 » by **Quasi Arcane** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:40 pm

Read that Dwight and Josh are friends going back to high school. Obviously the Suns would need to give up Gortat. As fans would you do Josh for Gortat as principals?

Post #2 » by **dms269** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:54 pm

I honestly consider Smith to be better than Gortat. Gortat is good but there needs to be a fairly decently sweetener added.

Post #3 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:55 pm

Quasi Arcane wrote:Read that Dwight and Josh are friends going back to high school. Obviously the Suns would need to give up Gortat. As fans would you do Josh for Gortat as principals?

I love Gortat, but I think Josh is worth more, especially because getting Smith is like getting Dwight too. :wink:

Quasi Arcane · Post #4 » by **Quasi Arcane** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:36 pm

okay, what would you consider a fair trade?

evildallas · Post #5 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:24 pm

Come on guys, getting Josh doesn't guarantee getting Dwight Howard. They may want to play together but a lot of factors enter into what happens in the real world. It would improve ones chances, but you can't expect compensation like it is a sure thing.

Gortat is a good starting point. The second part would either be Jared Dudley for basketball reasons or Pietrus for salary reasons (he's expiring). I'd prefer Dudley myself, but I can't think about what our ownership wants to accomplish. Maybe a future 1st would be desired as well, but I don't feel it is really needed. Dudley would slide in at the 3 spot with Gortat and the 5 and Al at the 4 with Teague and Joe in the back court and Hinrich, Damien and Zaza be the key reserves. I'm hoping Marvin gets moved in a separate deal or goes to the bench.

Before the other Hawks fans attack me for selling cheap remember that Gortat provides around 13ppg and 9rpg and Jared Dudley is a lock down defender with a career shooter of 41% from 3 point range. With Al taking a bigger offensive role I think it really improves our team by balancing the roster albeit not in a sexy way.

Superiorblogman · Post #6 » by **Superiorblogman** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:44 pm

We turn them back unless its Gortat and there 1st round pick for Josh Smith. We could take a SG or SF with the pick

guaves13 · Post #7 » by **guaves13** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:49 am

I don't think PHX and ATL are going to be good trading partners if ATL wants Gortat. He may not be as flashy as Smith but he is a legit 5 and they are very hard to come by. You guys know that as well as anyone. Suns pass.

Post #8 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:56 am

Superiorblogman wrote:We turn them back unless its Gortat and there 1st round pick for Josh Smith. We could take a SG or SF with the pick

Another example of an Atlanta Hawks fan who overvalues Josh Smith. Why act like we have the advantage here? Phoenix would really need to like Josh Smith to even consider adding more if Gortat's involved.

ray ray · Post #9 » by **ray ray** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:05 am

Gortat and Warrick for Josh Smith.

Warricks contract is at not as a burden as people make it out to be. He basically has 3 yrs at 4 mil with the last year having a team option.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #10 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:43 am

Honestly, I think Gortat is overrated. If he was that good, then why the Magic didn't keep him? I believe he is just benefiting from Nash.

Post #11 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:56 am

ray ray wrote:Gortat and Warrick for Josh Smith.

Warricks contract is at not as a burden as people make it out to be. He basically has 3 yrs at 4 mil with the last year having a team option.

Phoenix won't do it.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Honestly, I think Gortat is overrated. If he was that good, then why the Magic didn't keep him? I believe he is just benefiting from Nash.

That seems to be the excuse people give for any Phoenix player that has success. The same was said about Amar'e Stoudemire. Marcin Gortat is only going to get better now that he's starting. I take it you never or rarely watched him play.

Superiorblogman · Post #12 » by **Superiorblogman** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:38 am

I agree Gortat is overrated plus he does not put anyone in the seats like Josh can excite people. Sorry, the only trade worth making with Phoenix is Josh for Gortat and that lottery pick and yes I am a homer but I am being realistic. When you trade Josh for someone like Gortat you lose at the box office before you ever hit the floor, Phoenix would have to add a sweetner.

Ruhiel · Post #13 » by **Ruhiel** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:42 am

IMO All good players benefit from other good players tgat us tgey can focus on the little things, Gortat is like a lot of good centers in the league a 3rd or 4th option at best.

I dont know how Gortat matches up against the leagues bigs but he's a legit 7 feet and the Suns have soured on Lopez.

Most of the league sees Smith as a 6'8 small forward that can play some power forward with a lot of shooters ala Orlando (flawed). like Iguodala, and Gerald Wallace Josh Smith will only return backups.

ATL fans is being backwards with this.

TRADE returns
Center trade= flawed? center, + pieces (forwards, guards)
power forward trade= flawed/injured center? + pieces
guards and small forward: lesser players, no bigs unless its an expendable backup

The league covets size. Thats why you can get Deron Williams for a Derrick Favors.
Thats why we could have had Deron Williams for a Al Horford but we wisely said no imo.

injured Pryzbilla and expirings?? for Gerald Wallace and rebuild opportunity, etc

Geaux_Hawks · Post #14 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:14 am

HMMFL, Joe Johnson, Amare, Marion, Barbosa,, were all very talented players. Guys like Diaw & Raja Bell, just look good when they played next to Nash. Nash is only facilitating Gortat to be such a player he is right now. Sure Gortat has one or 2 decent post moves, but he isn't a "go to guy". He will start for us, because supposedly, Horford will become an offensive force as a PF and of course, we have no center. If I have to give up Smith and Gortat is in the deal, I would want Dudley and the 13th included.

evildallas · Post #15 » by **evildallas** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:52 pm

Gortat and Dudley is enough for me. Center and PG are the hardest positions to fill. This deal lands a healthy C under reasonable contract. Look how much better the team played with a true C on the floor. Admittedly Marvin Williams was taken out as well, but it is easier to find a replacement wing (Dudley in this case) than it is to find that C.

Having said that I don't think Phoenix gives up Gortat and Dudley for Josh Smith. They may have been willing to give up Gortat for the #2 pick, but that gave then someone under cost control for 4 years whereas Josh already makes 12.5M a year for the next two years. Smith might give them an exciting player who can do it all and that might help ticket sales, but the cost factor was another key as well.

parson · Post #16 » by **parson** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:56 pm

Maybe I'd like Gortat better if I hadn't watched Zaza best him in head-to-head matchups, then read about Zaza doing the same in Europe. And maybe I'd be more impressed if Gortat's coming out had been with some PG not named Steve Nash.

I just have this sinking feeling that Gortat is 2-3 cuts below Josh Smith.