Draft Express: Ilyasova Available For Late 1st/2012 1st

[paulpressey25]

As El Dude said in the other thread, we might not have a winner here yet with Simmons, but we wouldn't be where we are now.

Paul, you should listen to the podcast. He was pretty complimentary to Bogut.

[El Duderino]

I think the next 24 hours make or break John Hammond.

I highly doubt that given Kohl is our owner.

Herb seems a great guy and his love for Wisconsin is the only reason we currently still have NBA basketball or will still have it for awhile in Milwaukee considering the Bradley Center situation.

That said, while obviously he'd absolutely love to win an NBA title, when has Herb really ever shown that he has really high expectations for the franchise? Or that just making the playoffs in any fashion isn't enough for him to be content?

So even though i completely despise the current overall state of the Bucks roster, i do think if the Bucks have significantly better health this coming season (assuming there is a season), they likely will end up grabbing a 7th/8th seed berth, especially if Bogut is closer to his 2009-10 self.

If that ends up happening, regardless if say the Bucks only won 40-42 games and got easily bounced in the first round of the playoffs, Kohl will be a mix of happy enough and content with that to bring back Hammond for at the very least another season.

[paulpressey25]

I think the next 24 hours make or break John Hammond.

I highly doubt that given Kohl is our owner.



if say the Bucks only won 40-42 games and got easily bounced in the first round of the playoffs, Kohl will be a mix of happy enough and content with that to bring back Hammond for at the very least another season.

He may last two more seasons, but I see tomorrow as the turning point for his ability to really reshape the team and be the GM to do it. If the team falters next year, I don't see Kohl allowing Hammond to be the guy to do the rebuild. And if the team wins 40 games, it will have the 15th pick and again it will be hard for Hammond to change the fate of the team. Heck even if they win 45 games, it will still be a team with a very low ceiling. If the only move he makes tomorrow is to draft at ten, he needs to hope the guy he picks is Reggie Miller or Paul Pierce.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

I agree with PP the next 24 hours will be important for this franchise for the next couple of years. I really don't know about Hammonds future though. If we stand pat and make a "safe" pick at 10 we are looking a very mediocre team without a bright future. I'm just hoping some kind of move is made tomorrow that isn't a win now move, unless we somehow get rid of Gooden/Magettee or maybe even Salmons.

[icat2000]

I think the next 24 hours make or break John Hammond.

He's got a team that needs to make some moves to shake it up and there appear to be plenty of fish swimming around to try and catch.

If tomorrow night at this time we are looking at Klay Thompson and Jon Leuer, I think it could be fair to characterize him as either naive (in not understanding how bad his team is) or completely unable to negotiate with other teams.

That said, I'm hoping he'll serve up some crow in the form of some great deals.

ETA: It would appear that potential framework is there for a Bogut for 2/20 deal and a 10/Ersan for 14/23/Patterson type deal. I'd be pretty stoked if we had Derrick Williams, Moto, Patrick Patterson and Brooks on this team by tomorrow night. That would be a big downpayment on a rebuild.

Deal was Bogut/10 for 2 from Minnesota.

[paulpressey25]

Right, but most of the world felt we were getting killed on that deal, even Minny fans. Kahn still badly needs Bogut. He has to have a good citizen, veteran big man to stabilize his team. Bogut is the best available guy out there.

I think 2 and 20 plus a bad contract should get it done.

[icat2000]

Yeap. I agree Minnie needs Bogut. Simply because they aint going to go anywhere without getting a quality C and addressing their defensive issues because Love is not that great of a defender.

[paul]

As El Dude said in the other thread, we might not have a winner here yet with Simmons, but we wouldn't be where we are now.

Paul, you should listen to the podcast. He was pretty complimentary to Bogut.

I enjoy Simmons most of the time Press, I just think his talent evaluation is way off in a lot of cases. He's a good entertainment writer.

[paulpressey25]

Simmons talent evaluation was excellent ten to fifteen years ago when all he did was focus on his Boston sports column and he had no wife or kids. He and I would email back and forth when he had the time to do it.

He's stretched too thin as an Internet celebrity right now to keep up with all the particulars of players. I did cringe when in that podcast he talked about how Utah should move down from 3 to 7 to just dump Okur's contract and be able to draft Jimmer.

[AussieBuck]

My biggest problem with Simmons is that he's roughly as consistent with his opinions on players as Sigra.

[trwi7]

He and I would email back and forth when he had the time to do it.

[stellation]

He and I would email back and forth when he had the time to do it.

[bayrdbandit]

Why would we trade Ersan for a late 1st? He's better than most players we'd get in the last 1st round.

Totally agree. What a ridiculous thought that we could get a player as good as Ersan late in this first round. He's a workhorse, players like him are what championship teams need.

On the other hand, if he wants out...

[lawrybeard]

We might as well trade Ersan because he doesn't fit here. If we can get a first rounder then why not?

He's a system guy, and unfortunately we have the coach with the worst system out of anyone that's just about ever claimed to have a system. If Ersan gets a shot under a good coach he'll look like a steal.

[hurtem]

Why would we trade Ersan for a late 1st? He's better than most players we'd get in the last 1st round.

Totally agree. What a ridiculous thought that we could get a player as good as Ersan late in this first round. He's a workhorse, players like him are what championship teams need.

On the other hand, if he wants out...

1) He wants out.
2) We need to shuffle our depth and PF is where the shuffling must be done from because we have way too many PFs.
3) He's undersized and hasn't shown signs of filling out.
4) The rest of this argument is completely contradictary. Ersan was picked in the 2nd round (36), so clearly there is opportunity to get someone as good as Ersan with a late 1st. As a matter of fact, Delfino was a late 1st (25), LRMAM was a early 2nd (37), and Salmons a late first (26).

[raysbookclub]

Wonder if Ilyasova actually was part of a considered proposal today... Anyway, what's more likely, that we lose him for nothing to Europe or that we trade him?

[hurtem]

Wonder if Ilyasova actually was part of a considered proposal today... Anyway, what's more likely, that we lose him for nothing to Europe or that we trade him?

I think we'll lose him for nothing now.