Raymond Felton

[SacKingZZZ]

^^ Exactly Tyreke showed this last season his decision making is still suspect so having a veteran PG on the team that can slow down the pace, penetrate and run an offense effectively will benefit this team. We can't just ISO Tyreke every possession with or without an injured foot we need a better, more consistent offensive philosophy and PG like Felton can help us achieve this.

Of course it all depends on how many possessions per game the ball is "out of his hands" but what does Tyreke do in the meantime? If Evans doesn't fit the mold of what this team should be according to those in charge then MOVE HIM. There's already probably enough questions if the 3 of Evans, Thornton, and Cousins can all share the ball, now lump on top of that? Nah.

What player is Evans most like? Joe Johnson perhaps? I don't see the Hawks looking to fill that PG slot with somebody who is going to take the ball out of his hands. No, they're actually trying to look at the situation and figure out how to fill that spot with a complimentary piece. First it was Mike Bibby, now it's Kirk Hinrich and Jeff Teague. It's no coincidence that year after year pretty much the most balanced teams win. Teams that can shoot. Teams that can switch on defense. Teams that can slide players to more than one position.

If the Kings traded for Felton and Beno wasn't involved in the deal, I just wouldn't get it. Sure, Felton brings some things this team can use in theory, but I think it's overdoing it a tad. Right now I don't think it's in the best interest of the Kings to shoot for the moon in that category without figuring out if you're shooting yourself in the foot at the same time.

[City of Trees]

No, the idea is to get the ball out of Tyreke's hands a little because he's not a PG. What real PGs do is put themselves in a position when making plays to set up a certain teammate, and in doing this, they get all o their teammates involve at their discretion, and it's a big part of what makes a team run smoothly.

What Tyreke does is drive toward the basket and if he gets doubled, he kicks it to whoever the hell may be open. This is fine if he is in the role of scoring/playmaking, but that is different from running a team, and it doesn't work as well.

Yes, Tyreke isn't very good at playing off the ball right now. The solution isn't to just keep the ball in his hands all the time. The solution is for him to improve there.

So Felton would be a very nice piece for this team IMO.

As seen later in the season, plays were starting to be drawn up for Tyreke OFF THE BALL and that dish from the high post by Cousins to a cutting Evans looked like the type of weapon that you go to as a third option at the very latest. Use Tyrekes size by using movement. Reke's a freight train at PG, other PG's can't keep him out of the paint with the ball, and they'll probably have an even tougher time keeping him out without the ball.

[SacKingZZZ]

Here's another thing I'd like to bring up about fit and where this team should possibly head. I think as a team moving forward it really puts things in perspective to look at similar players or similar rosters and check out the teams that had success and determine how they did succeed. It's been brought up before, but the duo of Evans and Cousins is not too unlike the combination of Shaq and Kobe. Ball dominant guard and a super skilled big that can make plays and pass.

Evans clearly isn't the offensive weapon in a perimeter scoring sense that Kobe is, nor is Cousins the dominant force Shaq was in the paint, however both he and Cousins look like they could very easily surpass both in the play making/passing department. Are either going to be at their level as talents? Probably not, but still, you didn't see the Lakers having too many problems with play making, and they didn't have a "run the offense" PG. No, instead they had a system that utilized the unique skills each had to the furthest extent possible. Not only did it work but they won rings in some of Kobes most ineffective shooting years. Kobe wasn't the 3 point chucking machine back then that he is now. He drove to the basket a lot and played mostly a mid-range game. Hmmm...sounds familiar. Hey, you never know, they might have one 10 in a row if only they had Tyronn Lue calling the shots, hahahaha.

[The Rebel]

Felton is clearly better then udrih on defense, where felton excels, add in the leadership qualities that Felton brings and it can make a world of difference for a team. Offense I would put felton as the better player, but only by a half level.

Personally I would do Udrih and the 7th for Felton and the 22nd, if the Kings added in the 60th or some kind of other minimal incentive. I like Udrih and think he would fit well as a backup PG, and is not quite good enough for Karl to justify him playing more then 20-25 MPG.

[The Rebel]

Most of us expect the Nuggets to match any reasonable offer Chandler gets, they'll certainly match anything around the MLE + a couple million. And considering the looming lockout, I can't imagine many teams are going to throw away their cap space on him. Unless you or another team comes in and really over-pays (which seems unlikely), I think he'll be back in Denver.

Looking at the trade I proposed from your side, normally I wouldn't trade away a lottery pick for Felton, but I think the quality of this draft makes it fairly reasonable.

Hmmm...I figured the Nuggets would save that money to re-sign Galinari since he seems like the logical choice at SF for the Nuggets as they rebuild. How do they both fit into the Nuggets plan moving forward? Paying MLE+ money for a backup seems kind of strange to me.

We really don't know how they both fit long term, but everything coming out in denver is that they are bringing back Chandler. Financially they can bring back whoever they want, and depending on the money they add through free agency and trades, they will still have plenty of money to give Gallinari a big raise next year.

[pillwenney]

No, the idea is to get the ball out of Tyreke's hands a little because he's not a PG. What real PGs do is put themselves in a position when making plays to set up a certain teammate, and in doing this, they get all o their teammates involve at their discretion, and it's a big part of what makes a team run smoothly.

What Tyreke does is drive toward the basket and if he gets doubled, he kicks it to whoever the hell may be open. This is fine if he is in the role of scoring/playmaking, but that is different from running a team, and it doesn't work as well.

Yes, Tyreke isn't very good at playing off the ball right now. The solution isn't to just keep the ball in his hands all the time. The solution is for him to improve there.

So Felton would be a very nice piece for this team IMO.

And when your team isn't surrounded with shot creators and play makers like this one it might work. Otherwise you piss off major pieces of your foundation because they don't see the ball enough not to mention getting about 1/2 of what their capable of providing.

As seen later in the season, plays were starting to be drawn up for Tyreke OFF THE BALL and that dish from the high post by Cousins to a cutting Evans looked like the type of weapon that you go to as a third option at the very latest. Use Tyrekes size by using movement. Reke's a freight train at PG, other PG's can't keep him out of the paint with the ball, and they'll probably have an even tougher time keeping him out without the ball.

No, Tyreke shouldn't have the ball "all the time". The ball should be split between Thornton and Cousins since both have play making skills. Those should be refined because it could be a HUGE asset moving forward. You know what this situation reeks of to me? The need for a system, not just a PG.

No. A PG's job is to get these guy's the ball a solid amount of times. If we leave that to a PG and not to Tyreke, we'll be much better off.

[ICMTM]

I thought the objective was to get the ball out of Evans hands?

^^ Exactly Tyreke showed this last season his decision making is still suspect so having a veteran PG on the team that can slow down the pace, penetrate and run an offense effectively will benefit this team. We can't just ISO Tyreke every possession with or without an injured foot we need a better, more consistent offensive philosophy and PG like Felton can help us achieve this.

That's why it's kind of nice to have a player like Thornton and a big like Cousins. Use those two talents like they should be and you're doing pretty dang good. Can't use them right and it's probably time to find the right coach, not the right PG.[/quote]

This me & you agreeing thing has to stop!