Kanter goes 3, Burks goes 12

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I love the Kanter pick but I'm not sold on Burks yet. I get the "Morris Almond 2.0" vibe from him but I'll reserve my judgement until I've seen him play more.

I still think we should have gone with Kawhi at 12, he would have been a perfect fit for our team and he was a steal at 12.

I really wish we could have gotten Jimmer or Kemba Walker at 12...I was glad to hear KOC say that they Jazz had Jimmer in their top 10.

[eLo]

Give the guy a chance.

well i will and i wish him al the best in Jazz uniform as i love that team but i was not a fan of guy before our selection, and only his good game presence could change that, and ok i know some athletes that are too shy to give good interviews but he just sound stupid that is my opinion, and i dont have any reason to not like guy that is my objective opinion on what i heard

[The59Sound]

I love the Kanter pick but I'm not sold on Burks yet. I get the "Morris Almond 2.0" vibe from him but I'll reserve my judgement until I've seen him play more.

I still think we should have gone with Kawhi at 12, he would have been a perfect fit for our team and he was a steal at 12.

I really wish we could have gotten Jimmer or Kemba Walker at 12...I was glad to hear KOC say that they Jazz had Jimmer in their top 10.

Do you mean Morris Almond in he sense that he'll bust? I don't see a lot of similarities in their games.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I do feel like there are some similarities in their game but I'm more worried about his attitude and mindset. I don't know enough about him though to pass judgement, I've heard good things about him from a lot of people and I was actually a big fan of his before hearing some of his interviews. I'm not stoked about the pick but I can't say I hate it....right now I'm just being patient and cautious.

[HolyToledo]

burks = cj 2.0

The difference is CJ likes to chucker from outside while Burks likes to take it to the hoop. Burks will also be a better defender. Hopefully this means Bell is gone.

[carrottop12]

Looking back at 2008, it appears I really wanted Roy Hibbert. Nailed that pick. He's top 7 or so in that draft.

Here is my first post right after drafting Koufos.

This is not at all who I wanted, I am hoping the Jazz trade this pick because the Jazz will be looking back 4 years from now saying well ****, we could have had Jordan/Arthur/Chalmers with this pick.

Right about Jordan and Chalmers. Darrell Arthur is still in the league at least.

Here is my quote right after taking Maynor.

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Started this thread on Maynor 3 months ago. Loved him then, love him now. Really good pick, he has moved around the mock drafts some had him as high as 7. He's a good player, less upside then a Teague or a Holiday but he is a better player right now then either of them and is going to be a good player. He'll have a solid NBA career.

This was my post right before taking Hayward which I was very down about.

Whiteside - better shot blocker, not as intelligent, more agile and longer wingspan to defend p&r.

Not as intelligent is glaring there.

Whiteside - better standing reach and best wingspan in the draft. Also, of the "big men in the lottery" he has one of the worst wingspans and worst standing reaches (similar to that of small forwards Devin Ebanks, Aminu and only above Udoh (in reach).

His wingspan is shorter than anyone other big man projected in the lottery, at 7'0 which comes into play if he is going to be defending guys out on the perimeter, but his standing reach is higher than both Udoh and Patterson despite having a shorter wingspan than either of them, and it's only .5 of an inch shorter than Monroe. The difference of course being that Cousins, Aldrich, Whiteside and Monroe are all going to be Centers in the league, while Davis is a PF. So in comparison to the other PF's projected to go in the lottery, his 9'0 reach is second best to Favors who has freakish arms.

Whiteside - since the only value of max vert is the point players can attack a rebound at its highest point, Whiteside is even with Davis. Both run the court well.

And shot blocking/challenging, tip ins, alley oops, etc. Not to mention Davis's no step vert is 31 inches. That's higher than the max vert of Aldrich, Cousins, and Monroe, and only a half inch shorter than Whiteside's max vert. No step vert is a very important measurement because it helps to determine a players ability to challenge multiple shots in the paint with out a running start, and how high they can get off the ground in a man to man defensive situation.

Probably has one of the highest ceilings in the draft. Also, has a jumpshot, something Davis doesn't have (or at least hasn't shown). Has a ton of room to grow offensively.

By all accounts Davis's shot has been very good in the workouts, including his work out with the Jazz. In UNC he was asked to be more of a back to the basket guy so he didn't shot off his jumper very often. And you are correct that Whiteside has a very high ceiling, but remember the ceiling looks even higher the farther you are from reaching it.

Whiteside - gave short answers after a bad workout. Clearly you put a ton of stock in this even though after an admittedly awful workout the Jazz wanted to bring him back after his interview, as Siler finally reported. Seems like you're putting a ton of weight into his "intelligence" and how hard he works, which is fine, but if you're drafting a project big man (which Davis undoubtably is) then its hard to see why to prefer her over Whiteside.

I really don't put any stock into his interview with the Jazz media, just like I don't put any stock into his interview with Minnesota. People get nervous in front of reporters, that doesn't mean anything to me. And as far as saying it's hard to see why I prefer Davis over Whiteside, you answered it in your sentence right before that.

Davis is a hard worker, and by all reports and intelligent person. Hassan Whiteside is academically ineligible to return to school because of his grades and found himself in missing time on the court because his lackadaisical approach to practice and the team off the court. What about either of those things says he is going to work out in the NBA? I'd much rather have a guy who works hard (and has his entire career) come in and play for the Jazz than a guy who has all the tools, and never cares to put them together.

See bold, but also this doesn't take into account Udoh. He is all the things you want, only with a slightly shorter standing reach. Much more "ready" which if the goal is to keep Deron Williams may be valuable to the Jazz.

As far as Udoh goes he has the lowest amount of upside compared to Davis and Whiteside, he's quite old at 23, and he's got poor measurements to top it off. But I am not opposed to Udoh, and I think under Jerry Sloan his odds of becoming a starting NBA PF are much higher than with most teams. He just doesn't have the kind of star potential I think Davis has.

Off all the bigs projected to be available for the Jazz, I think Davis has the best combination of upside and worth ethic it will take to reach his ceiling. Nothing against Whiteside or Udoh or Aldrich, I just think the Jazz need to aim high, and I think Davis fits that bill best. I think he's more NBA ready from playing against NBA caliber competition as UNC, I think his background will provide him with a very high Basketball IQ, I think his defensive skills right now set him up to be at least a serviceable big man in the league, and I think his size/athleticism give him superior potential.

Still feel right on that one. I really like what Ed Davis is doing.

[SilverQuick]

Hey guys,

I wanted to give you some info about Enes Kanter since you guys drafted him from the third seed.

When he was in Istanbul, I used to play with him in the same team which is Efes Pilsen. I was 17 years old and he was 14 but we were in the same team since he was pretty tall and talented for his age.

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He never played for efes pilsen so he never played with you. He played for fenerbahce from the beginnig of his carreer until that money issue

[Massimo]

Hey guys,

I wanted to give you some info about Enes Kanter since you guys drafted him from the third seed.

When he was in Istanbul, I used to play with him in the same team which is Efes Pilsen. I was 17 years old and he was 14 but we were in the same team since he was pretty tall and talented for his age.

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He never played for efes pilsen so he never played with you. He played for fenerbahce from the beginnig of his carreer until that money issue

Enes Kanter signed a pro contract with Fenerbahce after their partnership announced with Ulker. As you probably know, Ulker had a different team and then they became partner with Fenerbahce. So, it is Fenerbahce Ulker right now. Before their partnership, Enes Kanter was playing for Efes Pilsen.

[HammerDunk]

We should all hope the Jazz re-sign AK, otherwise there won't be a soul on this team who will play defense.

And as of right now CJ Miles is the starting small forward.

This. I have no clue what they are thinking. I'm thinking more moves will be made, we have too many 2s, and assuming AK isn't resigned, we will be really light at the 3. I would have preferred Singleton at the 12, but I'm happy with the picks since any good PG prospects were off the board.

I was really surprised at the slide of Leonard. I didn't like him, but I was surprised that nobody else did. Could be a good pick up for SA though.

Bummed that Jimmer went to a really bad team that isn't on TV much. Glad he went that early though.

Here's to hoping Kanter and Burks are the real deal.

[SilverQuick]

Hey guys,

I wanted to give you some info about Enes Kanter since you guys drafted him from the third seed.

When he was in Istanbul, I used to play with him in the same team which is Efes Pilsen. I was 17 years old and he was 14 but we were in the same team since he was pretty tall and talented for his age.

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He never played for efes pilsen so he never played with you. He played for fenerbahce from the beginnig of his carreer until that money issue

Enes Kanter signed a pro contract with Fenerbahce after their partnership announced with Ulker. As you probably know, Ulker had a different team and then they became partner with Fenerbahce. So, it is Fenerbahce Ulker right now. Before their partnership, Enes Kanter was playing for Efes Pilsen.

Nope , even before partnership he was playing for fenerbahce.Btw he started his basketball career at Samanyolu college in Ankara. Not sure why you insist on your claim. Do you have any pictures from those days?

[Litany]

We should all hope the Jazz re-sign AK, otherwise there won't be a soul on this team who will play defense.

And as of right now CJ Miles is the starting small forward.

This. I have no clue what they are thinking. I'm thinking more moves will be made, we have too many 2s, and assuming AK isn't resigned, we will be really light at the 3. I would have preferred Singleton at the 12, but I'm happy with the picks since any good PG prospects were off the board.

I was really surprised at the slide of Leonard. I didn't like him, but I was surprised that nobody else did. Could be a good pick up for SA though.

Bummed that Jimmer went to a really bad team that isn't on TV much. Glad he went that early though.

Here's to hoping Kanter and Burks are the real deal.

I imagine Jimmer fans will buy NBA league pass broadband? That way you wont miss a game of him.

[jazzfan1971]

Well, I'm slightly surprised we took Kantor, for ourselves. I expected to take him for another team and move down to the 6-8 range.

The Jazz isn't your father's Jazz. This is a risk taking team. First trading Deron now drafting Kanter. It all seems very un-Jazzlike to me.

I like the Burks pick myself. I think a slasher from the SG spot would be terrific. All he needs to do is bulk up a bit and refine his shot and he's a high quality SG. And both of those things are quite likely, quite expected. Seems like he'll be better than a lot of guys taken above him to me.

I've been pretty high on Kanter for most of this process, until I saw teh DX clips and that scared the bejesus out of me. I hope he is worth the #3 pick, but, I have my doubts. Any time you take a center, well most times you take a center in the draft you are taking a big risk, it's just the nature of the beast. If it pays off Jazz look genius. I'm gonna give him plenty of chances to prove his worth before I hang my head though, he's young and bigs usually take a while to develop. I say 3-4 years before we really know what we have there.

I like both picks, but, I would rather have traded Kanter myself if we could have gotten full value and let someone else take the risk.

[HammerDunk]

Nah, too much Jazz to watch. I'll watch him when I can.

[Massimo]

Nope , even before partnership he was playing for fenerbahce.Btw he started his basketball career at Samanyolu college in Ankara. Not sure why you insist on your claim. Do you have any pictures from those days?

Yes because his father used to be a prof. at Bilkent University. I just don't get your point when you are saying where he started his basketball career. I started it in Istanbul, and I live in New York now. What does that mean?

I insist because you are saying something that you don't know anything about. There is not much info about his early childhood on internet. Try to get more info about him(not online) then we'll talk about it.

[StocktonShorts]

Nah, too much Jazz to watch. I'll watch him when I can.

I'm sure there will be some epic DeMarcus Cousins meltdowns that make it on SportsCenter. Between Reke, Thornton and Jimmer that dude isn't going to see the ball 1/4th of what he would like. I hope Westphal has a XXXL-sized pacifier.

[Jazzfan12]

Don't forget Salmons, one of the biggest blackholes in the league.

[El Turco]

Nope , even before partnership he was playing for fenerbahce.Btw he started his basketball career at Samanyolu college in Ankara. Not sure why you insist on your claim. Do you have any pictures from those days?

not only Enes never played for Efes Pilsen, even if he did, it is highly unlikely 14 year Enes would be playing alongside of 17 year olds as they are usually sent to their pilot team Pertevniyal at that age. massimo is clearly talking out of his ass.

anyway, i am stoked to have him on Jazz.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Ya someone over there in Sacto is going to get the short of the stick, I feel bad for Westphal and the coaches.

[StocktonShorts]

Don't forget Salmons, one of the biggest blackholes in the league.

You're right! That totally escaped me. Good times ahead in SacTown (for one last year)

[woodstock17]

Well, I'm slightly surprised we took Kantor, for ourselves. I expected to take him for another team and move down to the 6-8 range.

The Jazz isn't your father's Jazz. This is a risk taking team. First trading Deron now drafting Kanter. It all seems very un-Jazzlike to me.

I like the Burks pick myself. I think a slasher from the SG spot would be terrific. All he needs to do is bulk up a bit and refine his shot and he's a high quality SG. And both of those things are quite likely, quite expected. Seems like he'll be better than a lot of guys taken above him to me.

I've been pretty high on Kanter for most of this process, until I saw teh DX clips and that scared the bejesus out of me. I hope he is worth the #3 pick, but, I have my doubts. Any time you take a center, well most times you take a center in the draft you are taking a big risk, it's just the nature of the beast. If it pays off Jazz look genius. I'm gonna give him plenty of chances to prove his worth before I hang my head though, he's young and bigs usually take a while to develop. I say 3-4 years before we really know what we have there.

I like both picks, but, I would rather have traded Kanter myself if we could have gotten full value and let someone else take the risk.

you can argue that Kanter is a risk but I dont think you can say that trading deron was a risk at all. He would have walked away leaving the Jazz with nothing and he could have made things worse had he stayed any longer. The Jazz could only GAIN from trading deron. Even if the picks didnt work out then you jump started your rebuild by getting rid of the fungus that was making everyone all itchy and scratchy. but thankfully we lucked out and got the twin towers. And Devin harris as a booby prize.

I do agree with you though that this Jazz is different. Once Sloan was gone it seemed to unleash the beast in KOC. I like really it.. it is refreshing.