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The Jonas Valanciunas Thread

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Post#1041 » by roundhead0 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:59 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I can't believe you guys passed on all the PG's in this draft, I feel like you guys really need an upgrade at pg sometime in the near future. From now on if there is a foreign guy in the mix around the Raptors pick I'm just going to assume you guys take him. I was really pulling for you guys to land Knight or Kemba....


Raps badly need upgrades at PG, SF, C, but after Irving the current crop of PGs do not look like anything special. They might have drafted Knight if Valanciunas was not still available. He was expected to be taken at #4 so no one was really talking about him, but when he ended up available he was simply too good at a position too hard to fill to pass up on. Much easier to get a PG than a C.
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Post#1042 » by WhatsaTDot » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:59 am

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To be honest, this is probably what the majority will feel like when JV doesn't come over right away. Which makes the pick very ballsy (and why I thought he would opt for a cheaper fix).

But River or Gilchrist joining the team at the same time as JV will make them forget. And when we can finally deal from a position of strength again
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Post#1043 » by James_Raptors » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:59 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Considering our guy can actually speak English to an understandable degree and was slotted to play at an American college last season...and when exactly was the last foreign player we drafted that was ever expected to play? AK? Smh....

I'm not hatting on Val, he is a good prospect...I just don't get why you guys took him in this draft at #5 with all the legit PG prospects out there who could fill a much more needed position for your team right now. No need to get defensive about it...

I'll just leave you guys with that. I'm not getting into an argument over it, I just wanted to drop my two cents. Best of luck to you guys and your team.


We needed a center, a point guard and a small forward.
Jonas was the best player available and fit the need at center.
Basically, it was a no brainer.
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Re: The Jonas Valanciunas Thread 

Post#1044 » by DG88 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:00 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Considering our guy can actually speak English to an understandable degree and was slotted to play at an American college last season...and when exactly was the last foreign player we drafted that was ever expected to play? AK? Smh....

I'm not hatting on Val, he is a good prospect...I just don't get why you guys took him in this draft at #5 with all the legit PG prospects out there who could fill a much more needed position for your team right now. No need to get defensive about it...

I'll just leave you guys with that. I'm not getting into an argument over it, I just wanted to drop my two cents. Best of luck to you guys and your team.

He could be the next Tyson Chandler with better offense. What not to like about that.
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Post#1045 » by Undefeated » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:02 am

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darth_federer wrote:Another reason I love this pick. Rest of the article is insider and nobody subscribes to Basketball Prospectus. Biggest strengths are help defense and rebounding. Sound like the perfect compliment to someone on this team?

Using Basketball Prospectus' college basketball translations, we have determined player comparisons for 2011 draftees. Through game tape, our Sebastian Pruiti explores what makes these players so similar as well as what these draftees are going to have to improve on to validate the comparisons.

In the 2011 draft class, there seems to be a influx of skilled bigs playing overseas. Maybe the most interesting of the bigs is Jonas Valanciunas, who looks like he could be the first of the internationals selected. Valanciunas' comparison is to Tyson Chandler, the big man who anchored the Dallas Mavericks' defense during their title run.

What's Similar?

Help Defense. The first thing that really sticks out when watching Valanciunas on tape is that defensively he is a terrific help defender. Valanciunas knows when to leave his man to help on dribble penetration or a cut to the rim, putting himself in position to contest or block the shot. This is an art that Tyson Chandler has mastered over the years and he really put it on display in Dallas this past season:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRqt1UVl5fA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/art ... cleid=1771

If he becomes anything close to Tyson Chandler on defense. Add his great pick and roll skills and ft shooting we got ourselves a great center. He looks about the same size as Chandler in that video as well. Plus he can still add an extra 10-15lbs on that 240lbs frame. I'm loving this pick more and more :D


Wow, Val has a lot of semblance to Amir Johnson. I think Amir is stronger at this point, but Jonas similar to Amir are both great rotational defenders. They just know when to step out and close out the driving lanes.
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Post#1046 » by turnbuckle » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:02 am

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Post#1047 » by DrThreepointer » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:02 am

Nice pick.

Just ignore all the haters who knows nothing about basketball and enjoy life! :)
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Post#1048 » by Visceral » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:03 am

I think I heard Jonas compare himself to Arvydas Sabonis.
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Post#1049 » by DG88 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:03 am

Another thing this pick shows is that BC is actually rebuilding. No looking for quick fixes he's looking to do this the right way props should be given.
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Post#1050 » by andyo » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:03 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
I'm not hatting on Val, he is a good prospect...I just don't get why you guys took him in this draft at #5 with all the legit PG prospects out there who could fill a much more needed position for your team right now. No need to get defensive about it...

I'll just leave you guys with that. I'm not getting into an argument over it, I just wanted to drop my two cents. Best of luck to you guys and your team.


Kemba and Knight were mediocre PG prospects at best, I honestly don't think either are a lock to be better than what Bayless can provide next year in a starting job to be perfectly honest. I wasn't on board with the Val pick but I can say I am infinitely more happy we got him than Kanter. A big that has below average size, plays well under the rim, and lacks a defensive presence. Nonetheless, good luck to the jazz.
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Post#1051 » by clockwork » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:05 am

Visceral wrote:I think I heard Jonas compare himself to Arvydas Sabonis.

Maybe but I've heard Sabonis compare himself to Valanciunas.
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Post#1052 » by Clutch Carter » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:05 am

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Post#1053 » by Leolovinliberal » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:09 am

I'm a pretty vocal Colangelol hater.

I like this pick*


*Provided our front court of the future is Val and Ed, not Val and the Tin Man
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Post#1054 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:11 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Considering our guy can actually speak English to an understandable degree and was slotted to play at an American college last season...and when exactly was the last foreign player we drafted that was ever expected to play? AK? Smh....

I'm not hatting on Val, he is a good prospect...I just don't get why you guys took him in this draft at #5 with all the legit PG prospects out there who could fill a much more needed position for your team right now. No need to get defensive about it...

I'll just leave you guys with that. I'm not getting into an argument over it, I just wanted to drop my two cents. Best of luck to you guys and your team.

PG isn't a much more needed position for us. If you watch our team, it's painfully evident how lacking we are at C on the defensive end. Our GM had stated in multiple interviews following the end of the season that our biggest weakness is at the 5, and that we need a rebounding, shotblocking presence there. Jonas was the best two way 5 prospect in this draft, and Colangelo felt he was the clear cut BPA, so we took him.
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Post#1055 » by Marvin! » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:12 am

i wasn't that hot on Jonas until he dropped to Toronto. Then I was very happy that we took him. All things considered, I'm glad of a few things.

1. They didn't draft for supposed 'need'
2. The fact that he might not even play next season (if there is a season) shows they are committed to rebuilding properly, even with the short contracts for GM and coach
3. I personally think this pick makes a Bargnani trade MORE likely, rather than less.

Very pleased. Only thing that could have been better would have been a trade to get Knight from Detroit or Kawhi from Indy, in addition to Val.
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Post#1056 » by J Dilla » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:13 am

3. I personally think this pick makes a Bargnani trade MORE likely, rather than less.


Bargnani is not getting traded.
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Post#1057 » by Visceral » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:14 am

J Dilla wrote:
3. I personally think this pick makes a Bargnani trade MORE likely, rather than less.


Bargnani is not getting traded.


Nice, do you have an inside source telling you exactly that he is 100% for sure not getting traded? Because if so, it should be easy for you to link it! :)
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Post#1058 » by Jonn » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:16 am

Clutch Carter wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfE27XG9Ag[/youtube]


Not to often NBA TV talks positive about us. Jonas staying in Europe for a season or two sounds like a good option.
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Post#1059 » by roundhead0 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:19 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I really don't see Knight or Kemba as just role player PG's in comparison to the guys you have right now...Bayless is a SG and Calderon is just flat out horrible on defense, he kills you guys on D.

I'm not trying to be rude, I'm a big Raptors fan and watch a lot of your games. I was just shocked to see you guys pass on Knight when he fell right into your laps. I thought you guys would eat him up.

I don't get the strategy of waiting to get a PG next year...there is no guarantee you will get anyone better next year at PG and I guess if you guys want to be contempt on being bad for another year to get another lottery pick then so be it but that's not a winning strategy....mainly because you know, you're still losing.

Just saying is all...


Well, it's not just about getting upgrades, but getting a collection of players good enough to make you contenders. I'm not convinced that either Kemba or Knight will be significantly better than Bayless. I don't even expect either of them to make it as long-term starters in the NBA. Draft either of them, and eventually we'd be just looking for another PG upgrade except now we wouldn't have a potential long-term C either.

This Raptors team is short on talent. They can't rely on being a market that will attract players who just want to play there. So they need to draft talent. This team has no star player, and they very badly need one. They were hoping to get one this year, but with all the players opting out it wasn't possible. Next year's draft looks stacked, and getting a top notch PG or SF should not be a problem. At that point this team should have enough young players either reaching their primes or still incubating to start think about adding some vets to round out team and shore up weaknesses.

Going forward this is probably what we're going to see unless some deals are made to speed up the process (assuming no lost season because then it's all up in the air):
2011-2012 this team will suck and be in the lottery.
2012-2013 this team will have 2 raw rookies they are counting on to develop (Val and whoever they draft next year in the stacked lottery) and unless they dip a lot into free agency will likely suck
2013-2014 this team will start to show some of the fruits of their investment, assuming players don't turn into busts. This is probably when they really start to round the team out and pick up a young vet at PG or SF they are missing. Might eke into the playoffs.
2014-2015 decent playoff team. Many young players in their primes (mid 20's) and Bargnani gone or on his way out

I suspect at least one of the younger players will be dealt to try to speed this process up by one year.
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Re: The Jonas Valanciunas Thread 

Post#1060 » by DG88 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:20 am

Jonn wrote:
Clutch Carter wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfE27XG9Ag[/youtube]


Not to often NBA TV talks positive about us. Jonas staying in Europe for a season or two sounds like a good option.

Well having him in Europe for a season isn't a bad proposition since we wouldn't have a cap charge on our payroll for next season. If Barbosa opts out of his player option we have a ton of money to spend for free agents. Then when Val comes over more polished and bigger we'd have a better team where he can slip right in and play.
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