Official Transaction Ideas thread

Jetset · Post #1361 » by **Jetset** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:23 pm

Because I just graduated from high school. Plus it's a known fact that ESPN only employees the stupid, and mid-late forty year olds who know nothing about sports other than what the telepromptors tell them. He'll be better than Walker no question. Walker's ceiling isn't much higher than where he's at now. And I'm just not as high on Williams no matter what Ford/Gottlieb/Legler says. He's a good player, but you're not going to convice me that he's franchise talent.

MrKuter · Post #1362 » by **MrKuter** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:58 pm

Jetset wrote:Because I just graduated from high school.

Circle's about to get the square...

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1363 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:04 pm

Wow, LApwnd and Jetset are really going at it ... honestly you're both right in your own way.

It may be true that no one on tv is saying D-Will is akin to Beasley like Jetset but it's also true that hardly anyone on tv is saying Kemba will be drafted above Knight like LApwnd seems to think ...

However ... Jetset is 100% right in the D-Will and Beasley comparisons ... the only reason no commentators are mentioning this is because Beasley is looked at as a head-case and bust now and they want to pump up this draft ... the fact is that D-Will SUCKS comparaed to Beasley in regards to their college careers ... what Beasley did in his freshman season was 100 times more impressive than what D-Will accomplished in 2 years at Zona. That said, D-Will certainly could be a better pro than Beasley but it's no sure thing.

As for Knight and Kemba ... Knight obviously has more upside, it's not even close.

Jetset · Post #1364 » by **Jetset** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:18 pm

Nah we're good. Basically LA you shouldn't base an opinion strictly on what ESPN tells you. ESPN has their own agendas, one being to try and generate as much hype for this draft as they can. No one would care about the draft as much if they found out that the #2 pick is essentially Beasley minus the tats and weed smoke. Which would lead to wasted money broadcasting the draft. They've tried their best to create interesting stories, such as overrating Kemba and saying he could slide. That'll make everyone tune in to see how much Kemba slides, thus putting money in their pockets.

Post #1365 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:27 pm

LApwnd wrote:you the only one who thinks that way, 1st of I haven't heard one analyst compaare Dwill to Beasly and 2ndly Kemba Walker has had as more hype then Knight so isn't even the 2nd best PG.

kemba walker has more hype than knight? not at all. i don't think anyone who's been watching draft coverage thinks walker has more hype than knight. people are talking about knight at 3,4,5. kemba walker is being talked about as possibly not even being in the top 10.

anywhoo, i wouldn't mind knight over d. will, i don't think d. will is anything special.

Penberthy · Post #1366 » by **Penberthy** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:01 am

urinesane wrote:
EnigmaticProblem wrote:Gasol is only 30. . . Quit acting like he's 42. Moreover, no aspect of Gasol's game relies on his athleticism, so I don't see why he couldn't play at this level until he hits 36 (at the very least). You're right, though. . . Love is much better value, 'cause of his contract. The disparity, in terms of trade value, is much more marginal than you believe, hombre.

P.S., Who doesn't laugh at Kahn? lol..

Gasol has shown that he can play very well on a team with a great coach and great players. His Memphis days weren't exactly magical, so to expect him to keep up the same production going to a worse team as he gets older is just wishful thinking. Bottom line: Gasol and Odom have much higher value to a team contending for a championship (or on the edge) than a team that is young and rebuilding.

There is no reason for the Wolves to trade for either player as they do not currently fill a glaring need (SG and Center) and trading the Lakers the Wolves best player and a #2 lottery pick for a player that will not be a big part of their future and won't make them a contender doesn't make sense. It only makes sense to you because it helps your team, then you try to justify in someway why the Wolves aren't getting traderaped.

The Wolves don't need forwards right now, so there is no reason to trade with the Lakers.

Like I said, drafting on NEED means NOTHING to Kahn. It was PGs in drafts past, and now that he has Love, Beasley, Randolph, and Johnson, what else would they do but pick the 6'8'' guy.

Penberthy · Post #1367 » by **Penberthy** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:15 am

urinesane wrote:
EnigmaticProblem wrote:Gasol is only 30. . . Quit acting like he's 42. Moreover, no aspect of Gasol's game relies on his athleticism, so I don't see why he couldn't play at this level until he hits 36 (at the very least). You're right, though. . . Love is much better value, 'cause of his contract. The disparity, in terms of trade value, is much more marginal than you believe, hombre.

P.S., Who doesn't laugh at Kahn? lol..

Gasol has shown that he can play very well on a team with a great coach and great players. His Memphis days weren't exactly magical, so to expect him to keep up the same production going to a worse team as he gets older is just wishful thinking. Bottom line: Gasol and Odom have much higher value to a team contending for a championship (or on the edge) than a team that is young and rebuilding.

There is no reason for the Wolves to trade for either player as they do not currently fill a glaring need (SG and Center) and trading the Lakers the Wolves best player and a #2 lottery pick for a player that will not be a big part of their future and won't make them a contender doesn't make sense. It only makes sense to you because it helps your team, then you try to justify in someway why the Wolves aren't getting traderaped.

The Wolves don't need forwards right now, so there is no reason to trade with the Lakers.

Like I said, drafting on NEED means NOTHING to Kahn. It was PGs in drafts past, and now that he has Love, Beasley, Randolph, and Johnson, what else would they do but pick the 6'8'' guy.

KingLakers · Post #1368 » by **KingLakers** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:54 am

Ok, so the Felton idea didn't happen so what players should the Lakers be looking at? Eric Pincus mentioned that Jennings could be available after the Bucks draft day trade I don't know what kind of package the Bucks would want in return but im guessing Odom would be involved. This morning on First Take Broussard mentioned guys like Sessions, Brooks and Toney Douglas who could be available. In the end im guessing we're going into a long quiet period for the NBA until the new CBA is agreed upon hopefully it can all be resolved quickly so the Lakers can put together their new roster easily.

Doormatt · Post #1369 » by **Doormatt** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:09 am

I still want Gibson on this team.

tugs · Post #1370 » by **tugs** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:29 am

Buss tight with his wallet. I see the last picks as a "let's get over with this" move.

waiting for the new CBA, waiting for the amnesty clause, waiting for proven contributors.

I'm not yet mad, I'll be patiently waiting till camp starts.

KingLakers · Post #1371 » by **KingLakers** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:59 am

I would think a guy like Ramon Sessions would have jump to the top of the Lakers list for potential PG's maybe Blake for Sessions trade would work or use the Sasha TPE to get him. If u think about it the Cavs may have all the answers for the Lakers this offseason 2 trades that could work 1st send Blake to the Cavs for Sessions and 2nd trade the TPE for Gibson. Sessions starts or could even come off the bench and Gibson takes over Shannons role at backup SG.
2011-2012 Lakers
PG. Fisher/Sessions, Morris
SG. Kobe, Gibson
SF. Artest (im not calling him peace), Barnes, Ebanks
PF. Pau, Lamar, Caracter
C. Bynum, Foster
This plan goes along with what the Lakers have been saying about not breaking up the core and just tweaking the roster.

PurpleGold · Post #1372 » by **PurpleGold** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:09 am

Lol you just told everyone that their trade proposals suck and need stay realistic...then you post this? Why the hell would cleveland want to trade Sessions for Steve **** Blake?

hoops_32 · Post #1373 » by **hoops_32** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:17 am

What do you guys think about Odom, Blake, and a future 1st for Collison and Hansbrough? With George Hill there now could Collison be expendable?

Collison/Fisher/Morris
Bryant/Goudelock
Artest/Barnes/Ebanks
Gasol/Hansbrough
Bynum

KingLakers · Post #1374 » by **KingLakers** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:21 am

Its not a stupid trade proposal the ideas i ripped were the ones where people were trading the Lakers junk for Howard or Paul or Williams. Now back to Blake for Sessions idea let say there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA Davis would the guy the Cavs would cut to open up the logjam they have right now at PG after they have Sessions and Irving 2 young players which could cause problems since they both playing the same position. You trade Sessions for Blake the Cavs get back in return a vet who can help Irving out in his development and be the interim starting PG until Irving ready which could be as early as midseason.

KingLakers · Post #1375 » by **KingLakers** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:24 am

I dont think Collison is expendable him and Hill could be a real good duo at PG.

LApwnd · Post #1376 » by **LApwnd** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:44 am

Jetset wrote:Actually I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can tell you haven't paid attention to any of college basketball throughout the past season. All you're doing is basing an opinion on what Chad Ford tells you and from the highlights they show of him. The guy is nothing but an explosive tweener, he's overrated from his NCAA tourney in which he tore through Duke. He's a good player but he's not as good as Doug Gottlieb and Chad Ford are trying to paint him off as. And since you follow nothing but what ESPN tells you, I'm surprised you didn't hear what Jay Bilas had to day about Knight. He said that Kemba right now is the better player, but Knight has the higher potential. Knight will have the better career when it's all said and done, you watch. And since you feel that I'm the only one that feels that way about Williams, you need to go online on some draft websites and see what they say. You're dealing with someone who follows the NCAA and NBA drafts religiously, please don't ever come at me with some regurgitated Chad Ford/ESPN overhyped bullcrap ever again.

there you go jetset, Knight pick #8....so you were the only one on this train @ #2....like I said if you picked knight @ 2 you would've been severly laughed at...as you couldve easily traded down and gotten additional picks on top of knight if we did have #2.

Doormatt · Post #1377 » by **Doormatt** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:30 am

Knight at #2 would've been fine. I'm pretty sure the pistons are shocked Knight fell that low, he was basically a lock in the top 5 by most mocks. I still think he'll be the best player to come out of this draft, which is all that matters.

Right now I take solace in the fact that caracter and ebanks would have been mid firsts in this draft, because we **** sucked this year with our picks.

Jetset · Post #1378 » by **Jetset** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:42 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Jetset wrote:Actually I'm not the only one who feels that way. I can tell you haven't paid attention to any of college basketball throughout the past season. All you're doing is basing an opinion on what Chad Ford tells you and from the highlights they show of him. The guy is nothing but an explosive tweener, he's overrated from his NCAA tourney in which he tore through Duke. He's a good player but he's not as good as Doug Gottlieb and Chad Ford are trying to paint him off as. And since you follow nothing but what ESPN tells you, I'm surprised you didn't hear what Jay Bilas had to day about Knight. He said that Kemba right now is the better player, but Knight has the higher potential. Knight will have the better career when it's all said and done, you watch. And since you feel that I'm the only one that feels that way about Williams, you need to go online on some draft websites and see what they say. You're dealing with someone who follows the NCAA and NBA drafts religiously, please don't ever come at me with some regurgitated Chad Ford/ESPN overhyped bullcrap ever again.

there you go jetset, Knight pick #8....so you were the only one on this train @ #2....like I said if you picked knight @ 2 you would've been severly laughed at...as you couldve easily traded down and gotten additional picks on top of knight if we did have #2.

. Lmao get over yourself. Can you not read the whole half a page of responses after your post? They all agreed with me so I'm not sure how you get I was the "only one on this train". Go figure. Knight was only available at 8 because teams drafted pretty oddly. Tristian Thompson wasn't supposed to be a lotto pick.

Penberthy · Post #1379 » by **Penberthy** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:11 pm

Its funny that people use mock drafts and realgm posters as validation for their beliefs, when we all saw in broad daylight what the guys who get paid millions (porfessional GMs) to decide the ACTUAL picks did last night.

What the pros did was "odd," compared to what a recent high school grad on a message board thought should have happened. Egotistical much?

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1380 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:01 pm

hoops_32 wrote:What do you guys think about Odom, Blake, and a future 1st for Collison and Hansbrough? With George Hill there now could Collison be expendable?

Collison/Fisher/Morris
Bryant/Goudelock
Artest/Barnes/Ebanks
Gasol/Hansbrough
Bynum

Firstly the financials don't work at all ... the Pacers would need to "throw in Granger" and that ain't happening ... anyways, the Pacers made the trade with the Spurs to get a quality backup PG and can-be starting SG in George Hill ... Collison isn't going anywhere.