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Do the Jrue · Post #461 » by **Do the Jrue** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:00 am

Either the people running the Sixers do not care about the team at all, or their just completely incompetent at running a basketball franchise. They almost seem like their scared to make a move because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. With every team in the league you atleast hear rumors of such deals that get leaked out to the public. We don't ever even hear a peep about a simple INQUIRY about a Sixer player other than Iguodala, and most of that is just because people know that we need to move him. You know what's funny though? We might have the best potential package to get Chris Paul, and we're in a big market. I bet the Hornets would take a package of Jrue, Iguodala, Speights and a 1st rounder or two for CP3 and Ariza (since they'd want to shed his contract). That would completely change the direction of this franchise and have people running to play for the Sixers. But as I said, the people in charge of the franchise either don't care about the team or they just don't know what they're doing. So I'm sure that thought hasn't even came to mind.

ZarcMumoff · Post #462 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:06 am

Sixerlover wrote:Me? I'd sell the farm for CP3 yesterday, but that's not my point.

My point is, don't fall into the line of thinking building around Jrue and E.T = eventual championship, I already hate seeing the new wave that most of my Sixers friends at home are on. "The team should have been Jrue's 2 years ago! Iguodala's the only thing holding Turner back from All Star! Best back court in the league!" etc etc It's just going to eventually lead to overrating Jrue and ET (who will be very good players, just not title type players) and then once we don't win it's get rid of them ASAP.

Obviously, most sane people on here would go for CP3 and hope he talks Dwight into coming here. But, is that even semi-realistic?

I'm just saying, as of now, what is the best chance to make us title contenders for the future? Obviously, build around Jrue and Turner. Does that mean we need Elton Brand's and Kwame Brown's at PF and C to compete? No way, we still need an All-Star big, but it certainly is a hell of a lot easier with guys like Jrue and Turner there. Guys who could be anywhere from 15-20 point scorers in the league. Does that mean we are eventual champions? Once again, no and I don't know why you would think I'm implying that. But surrounding the team with youth & hoping those pieces fall into place is what we need to do. Getting a guy like Monta Ellis? What we DON'T want to do.

Post #463 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:09 am

Sixerlover wrote:The superstar is the epicenter of a "youth movement". No superstar, young superstar at that, and your youth movement will either lead you down the path to your left which is the Atlanta Hawks current situation, OR to your right which is the Minnesota Timberwolves situation. The superstar is essential. I love Jrue, but lets not call rebuilding around him a youth movement that will end in multiple title contending years.

Exactly, which is why every team without a superstar says they are following the "Detroit Pistons 2004 model." That team had a multiple defensive player of the year in Wallace, a multiple 2nd team defensive player in Prince, and 4 All-Stars. Very unlikely it will be duplicated. Winning without an MVP candidate is just too difficult.

As far as the superstar model, we aren't getting Lebron, Wade, Dwight, Kobe, Durant, Rose, or Nowitzki. Sell the farm for Paul and he leaves because we have nobody around him.

Being capped-out without any All-Stars, and getting the 16th pick is not a recipe for a championship.

Post #464 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:22 am

PK5 wrote:Obviously, most sane people on here would go for CP3 and hope he talks Dwight into coming here. But, is that even semi-realistic?

If we did put together an offer for CP3, which is realistic considering our young pieces, we are still capped-out to build around him. Under the new CBA our cap situation may only get worse with a hard cap.

If Dwight or any other desirable big man that CP3 could lure are available next summer, we would have no cap space. If we traded Iguodala for a deal that expires with Elton, we could possibly have significant cap room the summer of 2013. However, CP3 would have probably signed somewhere else by then since he can opt-out after next season, along with Dwight.

Is it semi-realistic? Not really. It is possible if we had a management team willing to take that huge of a gamble. However, we do not and the probability of all those things occuring are very unlikely anyway.

jakej26 · Post #465 » by **jakej26** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:48 am

Seems like our only hope is for Jrue to get Dwight here lol. Guess they're having a good time in Europe together right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diN3aeumhnw
don't watch the whole video its pretty long and bad but there is some funny stuff of Jrue and Dwight dancing in front of a big crowd in madrid

ZarcMumoff · Post #466 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:07 am

BFFs!!!!!!!

Post #467 » by **Foshan** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:24 pm

Anyone know who were bringing for the fa thing? Would love to get in David lighty, justin holiday, Michael-Dunigan

Redlight · Post #468 » by **Redlight** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:09 pm

David Lighty is a good idea to bring into camp. He is also 6ft6",which is a nice size for a 2 guard. I am sure the 76ers will get last crack at signing no-drafted players.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #469 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:29 pm

I really thought Lightly would have been drafted. It's crazy that Etwaun Moore was picked and yet Lightly wasn't.

KrazySixersD · Post #470 » by **KrazySixersD** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:12 pm

why? moore is a way better and more complete player than lighty

Post #471 » by **dbodner** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:12 pm

all they need allen to do is get rebounds off the bench...dont see a reason to give an F to the number 50 pick...what better talent was out there?

Because Lavoy Allen wasn't going to be drafted.

They probably could have gotten Vucevic at pick 36 and they could have gotten Lavoy Allen as an undrafted free agent. This draft was an unqualified disaster.

Post #472 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:18 pm

dbodner wrote:
all they need allen to do is get rebounds off the bench...dont see a reason to give an F to the number 50 pick...what better talent was out there?

Because Lavoy Allen wasn't going to be drafted.

They probably could have gotten Vucevic at pick 36 and they could have gotten Lavoy Allen as an undrafted free agent. This draft was an unqualified disaster.

Yeah, Allen wasn't getting drafted. Dumb pick.

As for Vucevic, I'm just glad they didn't trade up to 10 to get him as was reported.

PhilasFinest · Post #473 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:20 pm

I HIGHLY doubt Vucevic would have dropped to 36.... New York may have taken him at 17.

Post #474 » by **dbodner** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:31 pm

I don't. I talked to more than one agent and scout who wouldn't have been surprised if he was there early second round.

The Sixers were bidding against themselves for his services. Houston was lukewarm and he was never in serious consideration for new york at 17. Shumpert was their guy and it was known before the draft.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #475 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:33 pm

I don't think he would have fallen to 36 either. But Allen definitely wouldn't have been drafted. He sucks. He comes up small in big games too. I can't stand him. I hated this draft. One played(Vucevic) I was meh on every time I've seen USC play and the other I kept saying how much it would suck if the Sixers got him.

They passed on upside and players that could fill a need for a low ceiling unathletic center.

Post #476 » by **dbodner** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:40 pm

Again, this isn't my own personal evaluation of him (which was as a solid rebounding, liability on the perimeter defensively first or second big off the bench). This was me on the floor on draft night talking to numerous player agents and front office members. Obviously, somebody could have reached, but he was not nearly as high on any other draft board that he was on the Sixers.

If they had traded up to "make sure they got him" it would have been a brutal miscalculation.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #477 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:47 pm

It was obvious they locked into him and fell in love with him. I'm curious if one person drove the others to feel that way or if it was completely mutual. Collins was absolutely gushing over this guy. There was a quote in the paper where he said "This is the guy we need" to Thorn or Stefanski after seeing film on him. So I wonder if Collins is the one who drove this pick home or if all the scouts loved him too.

It reminds me of when the Eagles lock onto a player that they have to get when no one else loves them all that much. Unfortunately for the Eagles they usually suck.

corwin · Post #478 » by **corwin** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:03 pm

We've already heard that he isn't going to play much this year. I think Vucevic is just insurance for Hawes after he leaves as a free agent in a year. I have no problem with players like this but Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Todd McCullough, Mehmet Okur (comparison on draft.net) were all second round picks. To think that a guy with Hawes skill set is the answer at center might leave us all pretty disappointed in a year or two.

Gsraider · Post #479 » by **Gsraider** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:55 pm

While I find it pretty unfathomable that Vucevic would have lasted to #36, it's clearly possible that Allen might not have been picked at all if Philly didn't. That said, there were only about 10 picks or so after Philly's, so it's not like they picked him in the early 2nd round. Regardless, as it relates to both Vucevic and Allen, where they would have been picked if Philly didn't grab them is 100% subjective and cannot be proven right or wrong.

Who cares though? They are Sixers now and no amount of bitching is going to change history. I am as skeptical as anyone as it relates to how good Vucevic will be at the next level, but I also read some reports from scouts that really thought he was far more impressive in person than they expected him to be. Watching an individual workout of him, he clearly has decent fundamentals and good hands. I fear that he'll be too slow to beat some of the better, more athletic centers out there, but if the entire FO and scouting staff loved this guy, they have had some success in the past and could get lucky again. At #16, you need to get pretty lucky anyway. My guess is that Vucevic will wind up being a good backup and situational starter in the league. My hope is that he is more. What else can you do at this point?

sweetlou23 · Post #480 » by **sweetlou23** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:10 pm

dbodner wrote:
all they need allen to do is get rebounds off the bench...dont see a reason to give an F to the number 50 pick...what better talent was out there?

Because Lavoy Allen wasn't going to be drafted.

They probably could have gotten Vucevic at pick 36 and they could have gotten Lavoy Allen as an undrafted free agent. This draft was an unqualified disaster.

Don't quite understand how this draft can be considered a disaster. I don't necessarily agree with the sixers picks but they aren't that bad. This draft was weak by everyone's estimation and at 16 you really can't expect to get a stud. They made a safe play and took a true center with high bball iq, solid offensive and rebounding skills. No one is expecting this guy to be the next shaq or howard. He just needs to be servicable. Decent centers are the hardest asset to aquire in the NBA.

As far as Allen goes, he worked out for them twice. They got a good look at him and they liked what they saw. The only real knock on him is that he has been inconsistent. If it weren't for that issue he would have probably been a first round pick. So we got two bigs in a weak draft who should at least be able to contribute. I really don't see the unqualified disaster. Who are the sure fire studs that they missed with picks 16 and 50 (for christ sakes!!) of this year's draft?