Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert

Post #481 » by **GONYK** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:11 am

StutterStep wrote:I hated on Westbrook something awful, only to come around end of last year and early this year to eat crow.

But now, because of the playoffs, I've been vindicated and gone back to my initial assessment. I don't want those types of ball players on my squad, the ones who don't know their role and play their position.

The biggest concerns I have with the Shumpert pick is exactly what you bring up: PERCEPTION!

Shumpert is not a PG! Forget what he played in high school or for stretches at GT! He is not a PG!

Shumpert needs to extend his jumpshooting range if we keep this same offense!. But if we were to modify it to something closer to GSW then he would be LETHAL!

Shumpert is a very good perimeter defender. Think pressing defense as opposed to half-court lock your man in a set.

Again, I like the pick but I still think we need a third offensive weapon!

I 100% agree with you. I have always seen Shumpert as a 2, who could spot at the 1 for a few mins. Then again, that is also how I see Westbrook.

It still doesn't explain why they were viewed on entirely different tiers as prospects though.

YungNeef · Post #482 » by **YungNeef** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:12 am

Best Case: Iman Shumpert with a good shot selection
Worst Case: Iman Shumpert with the same bad shot selection

Leeroy Jenkins · Post #483 » by **Leeroy Jenkins** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:15 am

Best Case: Metta World Peace
Worst Case: Serial killer

Grinditout · Post #484 » by **Grinditout** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:17 am

StutterStep wrote:Russell Westbrook panned out?

How is 42% FG and 27% 3pt% panning out?

OK, his most/recent best season: 44% and 33%...I guess we just like the 22pts and 8 Assists -- efficiency be damned?

You could say the same thing about Melo's efficiency.

StutterStep · Post #485 » by **StutterStep** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:19 am

Smoke24 wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:I'm reading many responses from people who just don't know the players. They knew about 6 or 7 players in the draft and anyone else to them is an unknown.

I'll admit, I didn't know about the 36 Foreign players that were drafted...

Post #486 » by **kane2021** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:20 am

I dont know this young man well. But I have never for one second confused him with a PG. Either type. Scoring or distributing. In all honesty, going off of scouting reports, he sounds like a chucker who cant shoot. But stays on the floor by giving 110% on the other end of the ball. Now I dont put much stock into internet scouting reports and videos. I want to see him with the team, with my own eyes. But I have to say that his game outside of the defensive end sounds like it clashs with this green light offense headed by 2 ball dominating scoring forwards.

Gatech3 · Post #487 » by **Gatech3** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:24 am

Shumpert's always played with other talent but Coach Hewitt was just a flat out awful coach. I mean last year we had 3 NBA players (Shumpert, Favors, and Lawal) yet we finished 7-9 in the ACC. GT probably has squared more talent than any team in the nation over the past few years. Players like Anthony Morrow and Will Bynum were solid players at GT and they both went undrafted. Now they're having very good NBA careers. I expect the same from Shumpert as everybody except Javaris Crittenton from GT has done well in the NBA....if GT had a better coach I feel like Shumpert would have had a lot more recognition.

StutterStep · Post #488 » by **StutterStep** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:24 am

Grinditout wrote:
StutterStep wrote:Russell Westbrook panned out?

How is 42% FG and 27% 3pt% panning out?

OK, his most/recent best season: 44% and 33%...I guess we just like the 22pts and 8 Assists -- efficiency be damned?

You could say the same thing about Melo's efficiency.

Oh yeah! We've longed question Melo's efficiency but the key difference is that Melo can really shoot a jumper! He just forces too many shots. Whereas Westbrook cannot shoot!

StutterStep · Post #489 » by **StutterStep** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:27 am

GONYK wrote:I 100% agree with you. I have always seen Shumpert as a 2, who could spot at the 1 for a few mins. Then again, that is also how I see Westbrook.

It still doesn't explain why they were viewed on entirely different tiers as prospects though.

The media has to prop up OKC because of the way they left Seattle.

I used to be called a hater when I bashed Bosh's game, and said the positive marketing was because the league needed to prop up Toronto.

If Westbrook played for us, the comparison to Steph would be daily parlance.

Guano · Post #490 » by **Guano** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:29 am

OKC drafted Reggie Jackson. Maybe they are moving Westbrook to the two.

As for Shumpert, I love the pick if he is a sg. Not so much if they play him as a pg. MP posts about Shumpert saying he is a pure pg is scary.

Gatech3 · Post #491 » by **Gatech3** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:31 am

Shumpert is a SG I think he will have a better shooting percentage in the NBA. He actually was known for perimeter shot out of high school and Hewitt always said that Shumpert is a better shooter in practice than he was in games this past season.

Post #492 » by **GONYK** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:32 am

StutterStep wrote:
GONYK wrote:I 100% agree with you. I have always seen Shumpert as a 2, who could spot at the 1 for a few mins. Then again, that is also how I see Westbrook.

It still doesn't explain why they were viewed on entirely different tiers as prospects though.

The media has to prop up OKC because of the way they left Seattle.

I used to be called a hater when I bashed Bosh's game, and said the positive marketing was because the league needed to prop up Toronto.

If Westbrook played for us, the comparison to Steph would be daily parlance.

Yea, but Westbrook didn't play for OKC during the draft process. Why was Westbrook a consensus top 10 pick, and Shumpert being called a reach in a weaker draft when they are extremely similar as prospects, except Shumpert is bigger and more explosive?

Pharmcat · Post #493 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:34 am

shumpert just didnt have a strong college career:

he had favors on his team, didnt stand out
once favors left, still didnt stand out

i dont mind shumpert, but at 17 i think it was too high

StutterStep · Post #494 » by **StutterStep** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:39 am

GONYK wrote:Yea, but Westbrook didn't play for OKC during the draft process. Why was Westbrook a consensus top 10 pick, and Shumpert being called a reach in a weaker draft when they are extremely similar as prospects, except Shumpert is bigger and more explosive?

No diss to Front Offices, but a lot of them get caught up on hype and draft based strictly on emotions.

I think one of the funniest picks last night was #4 to Cleveland. It is very similar to what OKC did and I've seen other teams do that.

Cleveland took Tristan Thompson to basically hangout and grow with Kyrie Irving! They went safe personality, age, etc...so they could be bosom buddies.

OKC did the same thing with Durant and Jeff Green...and I guess that was the thinking when they got Westbrook. Some teams (front offices) have a pattern. In OKC's case, they seem to favor major schools and so does the media unless it has a great marketing angle like Jimmer.

Iman Shumpert doesn't have a sexy story and to be blunt but not offensive, the name sounds ethnic like the people this country has come to despise. So that's two strikes against his marketing buzz!

The media is interested in entertainment. The Front Offices are interested in protecting their MAJOR investment (player). The fans and a select few players are interested in winning.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #495 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:40 am

Favors sucked in college (and still sucks now...but that's for another thread). To say that "he had favors on his team, didn't stand out" is completely irrelevant. GT has a good history of spewing out solid NBA players (aside from Favors...but he was a one and done). Phoenix almost took him at 13, and 17 is a reach? Where did you want to pick him?

@GONYK, Westbrook was looked at differently because he never ran the team. If he had been the #1 on a bad team, a la Shumpert, Westbrook would not have skyrocketed up the charts.

Shumpert was a good pick. I've watched enough of him (being a Duke fan and Vandy fan, I watch a lot of ACC/SEC during the season and watch other games after the season) to have a legit opinion.

Gatech3 · Post #496 » by **Gatech3** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:42 am

Pharmcat wrote:shumpert just didnt have a strong college career:

he had favors on his team, didnt stand out
once favors left, still didnt stand out

i dont mind shumpert, but at 17 i think it was too high

I am pretty sure he stood out last year. He had a great year offensively and defensively. He also showed flashes of being a big time player when he played with Favors he was just to inconsistant.

Awoooga · Post #497 » by **Awoooga** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:42 am

Shumpert has the ability to be a Westbrook type player. Kid can become every much the athlete and ball player that Westbrook is. Whether he will put in the effort is another story.

Gatech3 · Post #498 » by **Gatech3** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:43 am

Knicks1214 wrote:Favors sucked in college (and still sucks now...but that's for another thread). To say that "he had favors on his team, didn't stand out" is completely irrelevant. GT has a good history of spewing out solid NBA players (aside from Favors...but he was a one and done). Phoenix almost took him at 13, and 17 is a reach? Where did you want to pick him?

@GONYK, Westbrook was looked at differently because he never ran the team. If he had been the #1 on a bad team, a la Shumpert, Westbrook would not have skyrocketed up the charts.

Shumpert was a good pick. I've watched enough of him (being a Duke fan and Vandy fan, I watch a lot of ACC/SEC during the season and watch other games after the season) to have a legit opinion.

Exactly but Favors didn't suck at GT and defintitely didn't suck when he was with the Jazz.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #499 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:46 am

Gatech3 wrote:
Knicks1214 wrote:Favors sucked in college (and still sucks now...but that's for another thread). To say that "he had favors on his team, didn't stand out" is completely irrelevant. GT has a good history of spewing out solid NBA players (aside from Favors...but he was a one and done). Phoenix almost took him at 13, and 17 is a reach? Where did you want to pick him?

@GONYK, Westbrook was looked at differently because he never ran the team. If he had been the #1 on a bad team, a la Shumpert, Westbrook would not have skyrocketed up the charts.

Shumpert was a good pick. I've watched enough of him (being a Duke fan and Vandy fan, I watch a lot of ACC/SEC during the season and watch other games after the season) to have a legit opinion.

Exactly but Favors didn't suck at GT and defintitely didn't suck when he was with the Jazz.

Lol...yes he did...to both. Aside from the countless missed dunks he doesn't play with the aggression that he should play with. I know, I know..he's young...but he's incredibly raw in the post and shooting. He's a good rebounder, but that's all right now. I don't want to derail the thread, but he's more of an athlete than an NBA player...see Stromile Swift/K-Mart (best case scenario).

Gatech3 · Post #500 » by **Gatech3** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:49 am

Knicks1214 wrote:
Gatech3 wrote:
Knicks1214 wrote:Favors sucked in college (and still sucks now...but that's for another thread). To say that "he had favors on his team, didn't stand out" is completely irrelevant. GT has a good history of spewing out solid NBA players (aside from Favors...but he was a one and done). Phoenix almost took him at 13, and 17 is a reach? Where did you want to pick him?

@GONYK, Westbrook was looked at differently because he never ran the team. If he had been the #1 on a bad team, a la Shumpert, Westbrook would not have skyrocketed up the charts.

Shumpert was a good pick. I've watched enough of him (being a Duke fan and Vandy fan, I watch a lot of ACC/SEC during the season and watch other games after the season) to have a legit opinion.

Exactly but Favors didn't suck at GT and defintitely didn't suck when he was with the Jazz.

Lol...yes he did...to both. Aside from the countless missed dunks he doesn't play with the aggression that he should play with. I know, I know..he's young...but he's incredibly raw in the post and shooting. He's a good rebounder, but that's all right now. I don't want to derail the thread, but he's more of an athlete than an NBA player...see Stromile Swift/K-Mart (best case scenario).

Disagree. Not trying to derail the thread either but Favors was averaging 18 and 9 at GT when he stayed out of foul trouble. It also didn't help that GT didn't have a good PG(counting Shumpert as a SG). Obviously Jazz fans disagree as well as they keep saying that Favors is the future of their franchise because of how well he played at the end of the year.