Official thread for hypothetical FA and D-league ideas

Firesphere · Post #161 » by **Firesphere** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:14 am

If we do have cap space to grab a vet C... it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sign to a 5 year with the intention of trading a year or two down the road... he could hold the center spot until our most recently drafted player comes over... and if we still need help he can stay in center until the rookie gets more adjusted... either way, we don't have the C spot covered at the moment and getting a good vet couldn't hurt our team too much.. they are always coveted, so gaining the asset for a later trade doesn't hurt us too much either.

Regardless of if we get a good vet or not in the center... I like that Casey is attempting to address areas of our team that need dire attention.. can't hate that.

rapsrealm · Post #162 » by **rapsrealm** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:38 am

I kind of like the idea of adding a veteran C to the roster. Not just a mentor type player that is past their prime and will play spot minutes but someone who comes in and shows the young guys how to conduct themselves both in games and in practices and creates some real internal competition.

Gold Dragon · Post #163 » by **Gold Dragon** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:19 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:No.

Chandler - not leaving a team where he just won his first ring. I'm sure he'd rather take a pay cut.
Nene - not coming here unless overpaid and will be too older by the time we're ready to contend.
Gasol - just had a deep playoff run. Why come to a lottery team? Memphis says they'll spend.
Jordan - why leave your best friends and future HOF to come to T.O? LA has money to keep him.
Dalembert - likeliest option

Dally is a Canadian and a vet. His experience will be useful to mentor Val when he comes over. Secondly, he's the only one who we'll be able to offer a decent, movable contract to and would be the easiest to lure here since he's already a citizen. All the aforementioned C's are in much better situations than us except arguably Dalembert. I really believe this is the guy they're referring to and the beautiful thing about that is whether or not Barbosa picks up his option, we could sign him to a fair deal. 4years/28-30mil (4th year -Team Option) is a very fair deal for both team. I'd look for Amir to be moved in a S&T to the Kings if there is one.

I'm not a huge fan of Dalembert but agree with your analysis that he has the greatest likelihood of coming here. I think a 3y + team option works well in giving a timeline for when Val either makes it or we need to find another option. Can Dally be a mentor?

endo · Post #164 » by **endo** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:58 am

I wonder if the Lakers would trade Pau Gasol for Andrea Bargnani and Soloman Alabi?

Lakers save a lot of money and the Raps get a good vet to mold Jonas for the future. I'm not sure if this trade could happen because it depends how far the Raps are under the cap.

c-Gasol
pf-Davis/Johnson
sf-Johnson/Klieza
sg-Derozan/Barbosa
pg-Bayless/Calderon

ballislife · Post #165 » by **ballislife** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:07 am

We should overpay for a good C for 2 seasons... Allow the Bagrnani-with-a-center experiment to work itself out and give JV a nice mentor for his first season in the league. I think it's pointless to bring in an experienced starting C for 5 years, impeding the development of JV.. We should grab someone like Dally for 2 yrs on a decent contract, then use the rest of the money to grab Wilson Chandler or Thad Young... We'd be in great shape for the future.

bassmastert · Post #166 » by **bassmastert** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:45 am

Can this idea work???

I dont know our current cap situation but say a C like Chandler (DON'T GET HUNG UP ON THE NAME) will play for us for a 12 million dollar salary and we only have 8 million in capspace. We may also want to keep a healthy Barbosa for a couple years off the bench. Could we try to get Barbosa to decline his player option, sign Chandler (or other big name C) and resign Barbosa using the TPE after another team takes him? We could allow some incentive for said team like Cash, a 2nd rounder or 2 or someone like Sonny Weems or Julian Wright if they're still a part of our team.

J Dilla · Post #167 » by **J Dilla** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:00 am

Marc Gasol is staying in Memphis. Memphis will be crazy to let them go with that run they had.

Only good chance is DeAndre Jordan IMO. Young guy, lots of potential. Shouldn't be expensive like Chandler and Gas. Cuban will probably do whatever he can to keep Chandler. Chandler should only be going to a team that has a real chance of winning, not a rebuild project like us.

Plus, Jordan will be a good make up for Valunciunas just in case he has those Rubio/Vasquez change of hearts.

Skeezo · Post #168 » by **Skeezo** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:00 am

As stated by previous posters... Signing a Free Agent Center to a 4yr deal is no way redundant to the fact we just drafted JV... With him staying in Europe for a season & the fact he will need time to develop when he gets here, a 4yr deal would expire a year before his rookie deal would be up...

Let's remember though another shoe has to drop first & that is whether Barbosa opts out or we are able to manage a trade to save us some additional space. If we don't with the Cap Holds on JV, & possibly Weems/Ajinca we will more then likely have very little space to go after a high profile target... Yes it is true once the season starts JV's cap hold will come off & free up some addtional space but that is not until the season starts & if I remember correctly Top Free-Agent Centers get signed before the season starts...

As for our Targets (there is quite a few out there)... I think we stay the route of going after unrestricted free-agents. Restricted is just way too tricky & always forces an over-payment. Chandler is the obvious choice here & no I don't believe it is out of the realm to get him either... Chandler & his agent are smart enough to know that yes it's quite possible to get maybe one more run with Dallas but that is about it. Players don't forget teams that wanted them, & an NBA ego likes to be stroked, & with Casey now aboard it only helps the cause... Not to mention the fact the new CBA will be more restrictive so to think that Dallas will just be able to keep him I believe is a little short-sighted... Nene is another possibility as his age is still in line with Chandler's & I'm not sure Denver knows what direction they are going anymore... Though I would like to have them I think Gasol/Jordan are out of the realm of possibility for us. #1 I think they would cost way too much & I also believe Memphis/LAC match regardless, so what's the point. The only RFA with a high risk/reward that we might have a shot at getting where a team might not match is Portland's Greg Oden... I honestly figure under a new CBA a 4yr/40m deal might just be able to get it done for one of those 3 players...

Raps Free Agent Center Big Board
1. Tyson Chandler
2. Nene Hilario
3. Greg Oden (R)

Cheaper/Older Fall Back Options
1. Samuel Dalembert
2. Joel Przybilla

raptor jesus · Post #169 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:01 am

Not enough room in Toronto, let alone Canada, for both Dalembert and Leo.

Waylon Mercy · Post #170 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:53 am

For those that are skeptical on who the Centers the Raps are targeting...

Remember Casey says they have devised a plan and used the key words
"recruit like hell"

I don't think you recruit Dalembert, Pryzbilla, Foster, Magloire, Oden etc like "Hell"

Who knows if their gonna be successful or not but it sounds like the Raps think they can pry
away or sign one of the better Center FA's on the market.

highness · Post #171 » by **highness** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:59 am

We're getting Tyson Chandler..........for real this time. BOOK IT.

gdroz · Post #172 » by **gdroz** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:06 pm

DonYon wrote:I think it's crucial we get a vet C to ease Jonas into the transition. We can't just expect him to play 25 minutes a game immediately. Ideally we get someone that's experienced and capable to holding the fort down for a couple of years and mentor Jonas along the way. Not sure if any specific names fit into my description though.

Don't worry, I got this...

Spragga · Post #173 » by **Spragga** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:12 pm

They need to sign Pryzbilla for 2-3 years as a stopgap instead of overpaying one of these guys this year. Save the space for 2012 and go all out. We should have another top 5 pick, Val and money for FA.

rapsrealm · Post #174 » by **rapsrealm** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:30 pm

I don't understand this whole premise that just because their original team is better they won't come to Toronto. Just because Chandler won a championship and played an integral role why the hell would he take a pay cut? At the end of the day this is a job. If you worked with one of the best computer companies like Apple or Microsoft and you played an integral role in some new product development and a smaller company comes to recruit you and are willing to pay you a $150,000 more to join them are you really going to stay with Apple and Microsoft at your same pay or take a pay cut?

FaLCo · Post #175 » by **FaLCo** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:41 pm

rapsrealm wrote:I don't understand this whole premise that just because their original team is better they won't come to Toronto. Just because Chandler won a championship and played an integral role why the hell would he take a pay cut? At the end of the day this is a job. If you worked with one of the best computer companies like Apple or Microsoft and you played an integral role in some new product development and a smaller company comes to recruit you and are willing to pay you a $150,000 more to join them are you really going to stay with Apple and Microsoft at your same pay or take a pay cut?

12 million a year winning 30 games or 10 million a year winning the championship. hmmmmmmmmmmm

FirstInkTDot · Post #176 » by **FirstInkTDot** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:35 pm

endo wrote:I wonder if the Lakers would trade Pau Gasol for Andrea Bargnani and Soloman Alabi?

Lakers save a lot of money and the Raps get a good vet to mold Jonas for the future. I'm not sure if this trade could happen because it depends how far the Raps are under the cap.

c-Gasol
pf-Davis/Johnson
sf-Johnson/Klieza
sg-Derozan/Barbosa
pg-Bayless/Calderon

Lol your kidding right? Look at what Gasol brings to the table and look at what Bargnani brings to the table... And with the NBA coming near to a Hard Cap lots of teams like the Lakers will finally Suffer and can't always keep franchise players.

Local_NG_Idiot · Post #177 » by **Local_NG_Idiot** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:40 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a player more along the lines of Aaron Gray. A guy who will start along with Bargs, but only play 15-20mpg or so with Amir and Ed still getting the majority of the minutes in the front court rotation.

KingstonRaptors · Post #178 » by **KingstonRaptors** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:46 pm

I don't think we need a C on a long term contract, especially now that we drafted our future 5.

This could only work, if Barbosa declines his player option. What if we help out a team? The Clippers will want to re-sign Jordan as their starting/future 5. But they also have Kamen on the books for approx. 12.7mil next year. With Barbosa declining his option, we free up lots of cap space to absorb Kamen's salary for one year. In return, they give us their (the one Minny owes them) 1st round draft pick for our troubles. We get a stopgap 5 (a decent one) until JoVa comes over and hopefully an additional pick in the deep 2012 pick.

Kamen/Davis
Bargs/Amir
JJ/Kleiza
DeMar
Bayless/Jose

That team is still lottery bound, so we could end up with two lottery picks next year. Perfect to go after a star SF and/or PG. Barnes/Kabongo anyone???

OAKLEY_2 · Post #179 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:16 pm

We'll target Chandler or Haywood especially in a hardcap environment. Casey has a history with both. Gasol is a pipe dream. Jordan would clash with JV. Haywood makes sense because he would devolve into a back-up over the course of his deal, has the shiddy contract etc. TPE-Haywood? Just like signing a free agent.

boller4prez · Post #180 » by **boller4prez** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:26 pm

I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Oden. If he was healthy he would be a max guy and not even in the discussion and for 6-7 million or so he would be worth the risk.

His defensive presence also has the potential to completely change the team. I would prefer Gasol. But I wouldn't be opposed to taking a shot at Oden. The last thing we need to do is overpay for a player because he won a ring. So chandlers out for me.

Let the mavericks or someone else overpay for his ring.