DRAFT THREAD part II: Come Together.... Right Now....

Mylie10 · Post #721 » by **Mylie10** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:50 am

Twinkie defense wrote:And that's not a bad thing to come away with at #11 in this draft...

So Klay at 11 doesn't need to be dominant but Singleton does? Got it.

And Singleton is a legit 6'9" and can guard 3 positions...Deshawn Stevenson is 6'5" ...albeit an NBA champion.

And Twinkle...I'm not hating on Klay or saying he'll suck. I will root for him to do well. The Spurs and Pop love Hill and were not looking to dump him...they want to groom a replacement for Jefferson who they do want to get rid of.

GSForever · Post #722 » by **GSForever** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:44 pm

College players are so raw! Did anyone see Anthony Davis in Team USA getting abused by Bismack in the background. The one where Biz got the triple double. So much for hyping that Biz is the next KG

MightyReds2020 · Post #723 » by **MightyReds2020** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:18 pm

Drafting Thompson means a status quo. I can't believe some of you actually liked that idea. This draft presents a ton of opportunities to break out of that mold, which again has proven weak for the past 15 years. The Warriors, despite all the pre-draft talks, has shown the incapability of living up to their words and it's not just for this draft.

It's a disturbing trend that is being set for the short-time that Lacob has owned this team. From his comment of guaranteeing a big pre-season trade last season, guaranteeing a big Feb trade, to this.

We'll see how it goes with the FA, if there is one, but I'm not buying into the team's plan thus far other than the hirings of Myers and West.

BROWN · Post #724 » by **BROWN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:48 pm

I'm with MightyReds2020, the FO lets it be known that we're going to impact this team defensively this summer (including the draft). They go out and draft an all offensive 2 G. This guy was Wests pick? The same West that said we're not a good defensive backcourt, we don't have size, blhablhablha, and he gets a shooter/playmaker.

We'll see what they do when Free Agency period hits, but right now i'm disappointed, they had to opportunity to get Leonard and they passed...

turk3d · Post #725 » by **turk3d** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:57 pm

If it was that bad of a move (as you say) then maybe he should be traded. As best player available (even if not best fit which I and a few others happen not to agree with) he can still be traded and so let's see what happens down the road. As stated, you can't just turn things upside down, it will take time. We are still dealing with the Nellie/Rowell/Cohan era and there will be a residual effect.

I think Lacob is trying to deal with it as effectively as he can without going overboard and screwing up the remnant of the whatever good we are actually left with after the departure of those 3. He's trying to preserve (and perhaps resurrect) whatever assets he's received (after all, he paid almost half a billion dollars for them) which is understandable and intelligent from a business as well as a basketball perspective.

Klay (like Curry) has a lot of market appeal, has a pedigree background and could turn out to be a nice acquisition for us in addition to being perhaps a useful trade chip. Let's give it a chance and see how it plays out. We now have two pretty boys on the team, lol. Should get the female patrons out in droves.

BROWN · Post #726 » by **BROWN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:03 pm

I don't hate Klay, I think he's going to be a good player, but shooting around the main point that Klay isn't a defensive player and that we were looking to revamp the D. Drafting Klay doesn't suggest any of that, it suggest exactly what you said, market appeal, big money for them, selling tickets.

Had they drafted Kawhi, it would've showed us, hey look we're trying to do this, we can't do it in 1 draft, give us some time. Now it seems like its more like... we're going to do it, we'll get there, just not now, we want you guys to tune in, and cheer and then maybe if someone lands on our lap well take it.

turk3d · Post #727 » by **turk3d** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:11 pm

Believe it or not (although I don't think that KT is a very good defender coming out of college), just being 6'6 will help and with MJs tutelage (I have to believe with Klay's intelligence and Jackson's defensive schemes that Klay can be a much better defender than advertised).

He likely will be better than Curry and just that alone would be an improvement. He definitely imo will be a better defender than Reggie due to his height, footspeed and quickness which will be an improvement over last year (as long as he's not starting). With a coach who has stressed that he's going to emphasize defense, I expect everyone on this squad to improve.

watch1958 · Post #728 » by **watch1958** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:52 pm

They'll work as hard as they can to be respectable. Given that next year is likely a deep draft, and that Riley weakened (for nothing) the protection on the pick tha Mully gave away (for nothing), the last thing Riley wants is to have the Warriors finish above the current protection level, but below the original protection level.

Not much fun for him to get constant questions about a handfull of players that fall in that gap, that the Ws missed out on.

BROWN · Post #729 » by **BROWN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:53 pm

As do I, but for one thin we don't have a defensive leader, and that plays a major impact on a defensive system. Kawhi or Chris could've been those guys, FO could've easily figured out a way to get a pick (before 18) with some of the contracts we have, maybe dangle Thompson to get a few more picks.. but they didn't.

We can say we'll hope that you know since he has the body to do it, he'll hopefully end up playing some D. From his basketball experience, he doesn't D up... like Monta, like Steph, like DLee, these guys are all offensive minded players.

I'm just saying we would've been better off with Kawhi as a defensive standpoint, but Klay screams to me, what the rest of the Warriors do, one way offensive players.

turk3d · Post #730 » by **turk3d** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:01 pm

If Udoh is as good as some around here want to claim, and he's now our starting Center then he's the one who I'd nominate to be our defensive leader (up for grabs imo). Defense has to start in the post and if we were looking for a defensive stopper in the post, then we should have never traded for avi Lee.

That mistake was made by the previous regime, not by Lacob. Trading for Lee and then firing Nellie was counter-intuitive. Lee was the type of player who was better suited for Nelleball which thank goodness is no longer a part of this franchise. You are not going to get a SF or a guard who will be the anchor of your defense (especially a relatively low rookie lotto pick who can even play some 4 who is likely a non-starter). We should have traded for a defensive 4 but it's too late now. The hope was a return to form Biedrins would have been able to make the difference but unfortunately it didn't pan out that way.

watch1958 · Post #731 » by **watch1958** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:01 pm

Next year the pick is protected 1-7. Originally it was protected top 11. So if they finish 12 or worse in the lottery, then the loss is entirely on Mullin. On the other hand, if they finish 8-11 in the lotto, then it means Riley & Mullin both share the blame.

And next year, 8-11 is more likely to be a valuable pick than in most years.

marthafokker · Post #732 » by **marthafokker** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:03 pm

Could still get a defensive 4, and a 5 as well. Get Hayes in a S&T for Beans. Hayes can do everything Beans can't, and then some.

tmd_10 · Post #733 » by **tmd_10** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:07 pm

Maybe they just didn't like Leonard and Singleton as basketball players? Addressing a need is one thing, but doing it at the expense of talent is another. I'm not saying my opinion on Singleton or Kawhi, just that if this is the Warriors' thinking, they were right not to make a pick in order to 'make a statement'. I personally soured on Singleton after first seeing that his defensive slides looked awkward and off-balanced at the combine, and then reading about his high foul rate and how that typically doesn't translate well in the NBA. I'm rooting for Leonard big time, but there are some very legit questions about his athleticism, shooting, and ballhandling. I know West is just an advisor, but his picks are typically very skilled.

Quackenboss · Post #734 » by **Quackenboss** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:18 pm

- The Spurs were rumored to be trying to trade in front of the Warriors to get Klay Thompson.
- Phoenix took Markieff Morris over Leonard
- Houston took Marcus Morris over Leonard
- Singleton slipped to 18

Our front office wasn't the only one not enamored with Leonard and Singleton. I have no idea which guy will turn out to be the best player, but it's not like they were deciding between Shawn Marion (Kawhi), Trevor Ariza (Singleton), and Mike Miller (Klay). 2 or 3 of these guys will be bench players.

turk3d · Post #735 » by **turk3d** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:23 pm

If it were size we were just after, I could have gone with one of the Morris twins over Leonard or Singleton myself. Not sure which one was the better defender.

BROWN · Post #736 » by **BROWN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:39 pm

turk3d wrote:If Udoh is as good as some around here want to claim, and he's now our starting Center then he's the one who I'd nominate to be our defensive leader (up for grabs imo). Defense has to start in the post and if we were looking for a defensive stopper in the post, then we should have never traded for avi Lee.

You are not going to get a SF or a guard who will be the anchor of your defense (especially a relatively low rookie lotto pick who can even play some 4 who is likely a non-starter).

Tony Allen changed the culture in Memphis. That's a prime example of having a one dimensional player on the defensive end be the leader, and the anchor of the defense. As far as playing goes, I agree 100% your big should be the one anchoring your defense, but leadership, and preaching D could be anyone on the court. Klay doesn't look like that type of guy, while Kawhi and Leonard both do.

BROWN · Post #737 » by **BROWN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:41 pm

turk3d wrote:If it were size we were just after, I could have gone with one of the Morris twins over Leonard or Singleton myself. Not sure which one was the better defender.

I think Markieff was the better defender.

turk3d · Post #738 » by **turk3d** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:49 pm

I think that Memphis has some pretty good defenders as well and they were a more complete team when the picked up Allen than we are currently (and of course Allen is a Celtic veteran, not a rook as these guys we are discussing here). Allen was a perfect fit there as well. Plus you have a strong post present in 3 guys who all play D (Zach, Gasol and the emergence of Darrell Arthur). Not to mention their acquisition of Shane Battier, one of the best defenders in the game for many years.

Plus, not to be left out is Lionel Hollins who turned this team into what was pretty weak defensively a solid defensive team which is one of the reasons that they made it so far this past season. Even Mayo turned into a solid defender for them but I don't think you can attribute it all to Tony Allen nor was it any rookies who were the one that made the difference for him.

You use the draft to acquire the best talent (imo) and then you got out and try and acquire some veteran FAs to improve your D/ That should be obtainable imo. They also have Gay possibly returning to them who in his own right is a pretty solid defender. A culture change comes via the FO and the coaching staff, more than the players.

Change that, and then you go out and get the players who'll fit that mold but you have to change the overall philosophy first which I believe is a work in progress.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #739 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:56 pm

MightyReds2020 wrote:Drafting Thompson means a status quo. I can't believe some of you actually liked that idea. This draft presents a ton of opportunities to break out of that mold, which again has proven weak for the past 15 years. The Warriors, despite all the pre-draft talks, has shown the incapability of living up to their words and it's not just for this draft.

It's a disturbing trend that is being set for the short-time that Lacob has owned this team. From his comment of guaranteeing a big pre-season trade last season, guaranteeing a big Feb trade, to this.

We'll see how it goes with the FA, if there is one, but I'm not buying into the team's plan thus far other than the hirings of Myers and West.

What do you expect them to do with a late lottery pick and a 2nd rounder? The Warriors need a 3rd guard, a backup PG, a SF, and 2 centers. Kind of a lot to address...

We got the 3rd guard, Jenkins may be the backup PG and we have a possible center in a couple years. Looks like they did pretty f'n good to me.

I'm a big Singleton and Kawhi supporter, but passing up on Klay would of been idiotic. Kid is a stud, book it.

The Hack · Post #740 » by **The Hack** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:10 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
MightyReds2020 wrote:Drafting Thompson means a status quo. I can't believe some of you actually liked that idea. This draft presents a ton of opportunities to break out of that mold, which again has proven weak for the past 15 years. The Warriors, despite all the pre-draft talks, has shown the incapability of living up to their words and it's not just for this draft.

It's a disturbing trend that is being set for the short-time that Lacob has owned this team. From his comment of guaranteeing a big pre-season trade last season, guaranteeing a big Feb trade, to this.

We'll see how it goes with the FA, if there is one, but I'm not buying into the team's plan thus far other than the hirings of Myers and West.

What do you expect them to do with a late lottery pick and a 2nd rounder? The Warriors need a 3rd guard, a backup PG, a SF, and 2 centers. Kind of a lot to address...
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We got the 3rd guard, Jenkins may be the backup PG and we have a possible center in a couple years. Looks like they did pretty f'n good to me.

I'm a big Singleton and Kawhi supporter, but passing up on Klay would of been idiotic. Kid is a stud, book it.

I agree...considering what we had, I think it was a pretty good draft. I admit, I wanted Singleton all along, but if the NEW front office thinks that Thompson was the best pick, that's enough for me. 3 possible solid rotation guys is a great draft