Is Chandler better than Bynum?

[DEEP3CL]

Hell yeah I second that Big Game!

About 20 something teams wish they had our problems ! Fact is we don't settle here as fans for just average, we strive for titles and that's it. Anything less than that is straight up failure to us.

[Anklebreaker702]

When has Drew ever been utilized right?

This doesn't make it the right or smartest decision. That is why we've been talking about adjustments this entire thread.

Not sure how that answers my question. Anyhow, my initial post that got your attention was that sometimes players just need to play a roll. You came back at me saying that the lakers needed to play to the strengths of Bynum. I came back with, bynum was a third option on this team at best and that this team was playing to the strengths of Kobe and Gasol. I also mentioned that it would be very hard if not next to impossible for a team to play to the strengths of 3 guys on the offensive end especially when one of them (Gasol) is noted as being on of the most offensively talented big men in the league. You then posted some Drew stats saying he should have received the ball more because he was putting up numbers...Now here's the key...and here's where we differ. I said if you go down, go down with your best players...i.e. the guys that got you 3 finals and 2 Rings. I posted that on Jun 11th. On June 12th In Game 6 of the NBA Finals...(the do or die game for the Mavs because if it went 7 Mavs would have lost) Dirk shot 1-12 in the first half, then came out and shot another 15 shots in the second half. This is what I was talking about. Rick Carlisle didnt make adjustments because Dirk was off, he didnt give someone else Dirk's shot, Dirk took more shots. Because in the moment you always think your best player will hit the next shot. Its the gift and the curse. He's why you got that far but sometimes its why you lose. Sometimes thats just how it has to be. You live and die by your star(s). Dirk and Terry played better than Kobe and Gasol and Im okay with that because I know we cant play every year. Thats one of the main things I was getting at. Coaches make small adjustments all game long, thats an understood giving. I understand adjustments, Its a crucial part of basketball. I said if we had made an adjustment and we feed Drew that Drews stats would have been better but the outcome would have still been the same. Bottom line for me is Its not that I didnt understand you and Deeps adjustment debate, its that in these playsoffs...lakers vs mavs I dont believe there was any adjustment to make. I dont think theres on single adjustment the lakers could have done to turn the outcome of the series. We got swept. Anytime you get swept theres no need in talking about adjustments because you arent that close. Adjustments are for teams that play 48 hard minutes, teams that have a chance to advance. Bottom line is we should have all knew something was up when we got pushed by Chris Paul and NO. But as I said, we had no legs, theres no adjustment for that, at least not to get and win the finals. So while you and Deep were trying to make a point I had a point also to make and maybe you guys didnt see it or didnt agree with me. But thats the beauty of message boards I guess.

Here's the thing. You don't understand the adjustment argument because you're not trying. To say the numbers would have been better but we still would have lost is suspect at best. The fact is Kobe & Gasol are you're guys so you're ok watching us crash & burn because of it.

Then you think Drew is our flip side but it's not like that. I can tell Drew is not high on your standards & i'm fine with that (nothing personal) my point is our success is based on Kobe & a big who cares what his name is. The Dirk comparison is crazy because Dallas has no chance if Dirk doesn't shoot the ball.

The point is we weren't that far off. We gave away 2 games in that series but you're acting like you have a crystal ball that says had we stuck with what was working we still would have lost and that simply is not factual. It's your opinion & I respect it but I don't agree with it.

Just because your comparison worked out for the Mavs doesn't make your Logic right. It worked for them. In the '87 Finals Magic was option 1 Kareem option 2 Worthy option 3. Go back & see who ate the Celtics up all series long, Worthy & Magic. Why because Riles understood the C's had no answer for Big Game & made them pay relentlessly.

If you don't understand so be it, but just as DEEP & I have stated this whole thread long, coaching without making OBVIOUS adjustments is flat out dumb. Then saying there's no adjustment to get you to the Finals is way off. 1 series at a time. We make adjustments & get past the Mavs you never know what could happen. Next series things could have went back to normal. Gotta stop living in the past sure the Kobe & Gasol 3 straight Finals & 2 straight chips happened but where is it already? In the past.

[realfung]

Not a Lakers fan.
Bynum is hand down better, maybe your team need Chandler more or something but I will pick Bynum over Chandler in any team.
Bynum has the body to be a real center and Chandler only tall but lack of size.
Chandler maybe a better defensive rebounder, but Bynum is a Shaq like center, which I think a center supposed to be dominated on offensive end.

PS: Bynum needs to distribute the ball back out better when he draws doubles.

[DEEP3CL]

Not a Lakers fan.
Bynum is hand down better, maybe your team need Chandler more or something but I will pick Bynum over Chandler in any team.
Bynum has the body to be a real center and Chandler only tall but lack of size.
Chandler maybe a better defensive rebounder, but Bynum is a Shaq like center, which I think a center supposed to be dominated on offensive end.

PS: Bynum needs to distribute the ball back out better when he draws doubles.

That's keeping it real for sure realfung ! And as far as the passing out the double, hopefully he starts to get it. He's showing a little improvement.

[Pablo Escobar]

All I know is if Bynum played like Pau this year in the playoffs his ass would be benched so quick, and he wouldn't even touch the ball.

[Anklebreaker702]

All I know is if Bynum played like Pau this year in the playoffs his ass would be benched so quick, and he wouldn't even touch the ball.

And everybody on this board would have been riding him.

[Pablo Escobar]

All I know is if Bynum played like Pau this year in the playoffs his ass would be benched so quick, and he wouldn't even touch the ball.

And everybody on this board would have been riding him.

true Ankle. People ride him anyways, they say he should of focused on defense and rebounding in the Mavs series. LOL so who would score in the low post for us? not mr 12 and 7 on 40 percent shooting

[Anklebreaker702]

All I know is if Bynum played like Pau this year in the playoffs his ass would be benched so quick, and he wouldn't even touch the ball.

And everybody on this board would have been riding him.

true Ankle. People ride him anyways, they say he should of focused on defense and rebounding in the Mavs series. LOL so who would score in the low post for us? not mr 12 and 7 on 40 percent shooting

You're making me go a place I don't want to go So i'll stick with what what said. They would have been talking about trading him for dog vomit & a future 1st round pick

I'm not against Pau but it was pretty obvious he didn't have it. I just don't believe in staying with what doesn't work when you have someone just as capable actually getting the job done right at that moment.

[Pablo Escobar]

Ankle I think you should go to that place

[Anklebreaker702]

Ankle I think you should go to that place

Nah only if provoked

[Leor_77]

Bynum is better, but Chandler was integral to the Mavericks system last year. The Mavericks success was based on contributions from Nowitzki, Terry, Barea, Peja, Stevenson, Kidd, Marion, etc (i.e. everyone helped out). He was just an important part of a team where everyone contributed.

[iamworthy]

Here's the thing. You don't understand the adjustment argument because you're not trying. To say the numbers would have been better but we still would have lost is suspect at best. The fact is Kobe & Gasol are you're guys so you're ok watching us crash & burn because of it.

Suspect at best? What do you think your doing?

Then you think Drew is our flip side but it's not like that. I can tell Drew is not high on your standards & i'm fine with that (nothing personal) my point is our success is based on Kobe & a big who cares what his name is. The Dirk comparison is crazy because Dallas has no chance if Dirk doesn't shoot the ball.

Our success was based on Kobe and Gasol...but Im sure you knew that. Going forward I dont know. But I dont think to much will change. But how can you blame me for stating what Ive seen with my own eyes?

Just because your comparison worked out for the Mavs doesn't make your Logic right. It worked for them. In the '87 Finals Magic was option 1 Kareem option 2 Worthy option 3. Go back & see who ate the Celtics up all series long, Worthy & Magic. Why because Riles understood the C's had no answer for Big Game & made them pay relentlessly.

The third option on that team is/was far better than Bynum. Your talking about 3 hall of famers. You cant be serious. Of course they weren't at the time but how can you seriously compare them to bynum. This kinda proves to me that you overrate Bynum.

If you don't understand so be it, but just as DEEP & I have stated this whole thread long, coaching without making OBVIOUS adjustments is flat out dumb. Then saying there's no adjustment to get you to the Finals is way off. 1 series at a time. We make adjustments & get past the Mavs you never know what could happen. Next series things could have went back to normal. Gotta stop living in the past sure the Kobe & Gasol 3 straight Finals & 2 straight chips happened but where is it already? In the past.

Problem is you have yet to state any adjustments. You've been talking about them but have yet to post any. Unless your still talking about the "hot hand". Like I said, there is no adjustment that we could have made that would have kept us from losing that series. Some how to you swept is the new close. Living in the past lends credit to players that has helped our cause to win a Chip. You should stop dismissing the pass so easily.

[Anklebreaker702]

Suspect at best? What do you think your doing?

Cop out. We see what happened sticking with what we did.

Our success was based on Kobe and Gasol...but Im sure you knew that. Going forward I dont know. But I dont think to much will change. But how can you blame me for stating what Ive seen with my own eyes?

So if he keeps playing like Paussy you don't see much change? Shows Pau is your boy

The third option on that team is/was far better than Bynum. Your talking about 3 hall of famers. You cant be serious. Of course they weren't at the time but how can you seriously compare them to bynum. This kinda proves to me that you overrate Bynum.

Doesn't matter. You said no on EVER plays through the 3rd option. How does that make me overrate Bynum when he was clearly out playing Pau & every other Laker besides Kobe in the playoffs? Bynum is no where in Worthy's league so I don't even know where you are getting that from. Maybe because you don't think much of him is why you think nothing can ever be done through him.

Problem is you have yet to state any adjustments. You've been talking about them but have yet to post any. Unless your still talking about the "hot hand". Like I said, there is no adjustment that we could have made that would have kept us from losing that series. Some how to you swept is the new close. Living in the past lends credit to players that has helped our cause to win a Chip. You should stop dismissing the pass so easily.

Been stating the adjustment, both DEEP & I but they keep falling on deaf ears with you because you don't want to hear them. The adjustment was simple. Keep playing through Drew on the low block. If he wasn't effective then tell me why Carlisle started double & triple teaming him every time he touched the ball & left Dirk on Pau single coverage. The Next great defensive play Dirk makes will be his first.

So its this simple. While we were playing through him the offense ran more smoothly & we usually had the lead. Once we went away from him & force fed Pau all was lost. Kobe needed help so simple adjustment, keep going to the guy who was helping instead of whats supposed to work on paper or had been working on paper for the prior 3 years. With Drew commanding double & triple teams it was giving Kobe more room to operate & it kept Gasol in 1 on 1 coverage which could have given him a better chance to "find it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR0ie87Si6E
(listen to commentary as well)


Plus the last 2 regular season games against them he had 22 & 12 18 & 13

The middle 2 games of the playoff series 18 & 14 & 21 & 10 oh yeah as the 3rd option

[iamworthy]

Cop out. We see what happened sticking with what we did.

Dont know what this means

So if he keeps playing like Paussy you don't see much change? Shows Pau is your boy

Are you even reading my post. I clearly said going forward I dont know.

Doesn't matter. You said no on EVER plays through the 3rd option. How does that make me overrate Bynum when he was clearly out playing Pau & every other Laker besides Kobe in the playoffs? Bynum is no where in Worthy's league so I don't even know where you are getting that from. Maybe because you don't think much of him is why you think nothing can ever be done through him.

Please point out where I said no one EVER plays through the 3rd option. In fact the real question I ask you never answered. Now a week later you use 3 hall of famers, 3 of the 50 greatest players in the nba, 3 all-stars, and 3 winners of the finals MVP

Been stating the adjustment, both DEEP & I but they keep falling on deaf ears with you because you don't want to hear them. The adjustment was simple. Keep playing through Drew on the low block. If he wasn't effective then tell me why Carlisle started double & triple teaming him every time he touched the ball & left Dirk on Pau single coverage. The Next great defensive play Dirk makes will be his first.

So its this simple. While we were playing through him the offense ran more smoothly & we usually had the lead. Once we went away from him & force fed Pau all was lost. Kobe needed help so simple adjustment, keep going to the guy who was helping instead of whats supposed to work on paper or had been working on paper for the prior 3 years. With Drew commanding double & triple teams it was giving Kobe more room to operate & it kept Gasol in 1 on 1 coverage which could have given him a better chance to "find it"

We can keep going round and round and still not go anywhere. So what you are saying is that if we would have kept feeding Drew we would have won the series? If so I dont agree with that and thats what Ive been saying the whole time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR0ie87Si6E
(listen to commentary as well)

Awesome play by the Drew.

Plus the last 2 regular season games against them he had 22 & 12 18 & 13

Stop living in the past Seriously, regular season is the regular season. If we cant agree the the playoffs and regular season are completely two different animals I dont know what we can agree on.

The middle 2 games of the playoff series 18 & 14 & 21 & 10 oh yeah as the 3rd option

Those were some good games for him...but what about the other two:

game1- 8/5
game4- 6/6

Goes back to what Ive been saying in this thread about consistency.

[Anklebreaker702]

Please point out where I said no one EVER plays through the 3rd option. In fact the real question I ask you never answered. Now a week later you use 3 hall of famers, 3 of the 50 greatest players in the nba, 3 all-stars, and 3 winners of the finals MVP

History has shown whats best for this team. Bynum is the 3rd option at best but you argue like he's the first option. We are talking about the 3rd option....this is mind boggling. A third option that has yet to prove any type of consistency on a NBA level. Also, its never personal when talking about a third option, that doesnt even make sense. Im sitting here thinking and I dont know any team that plays to the 3rd options strengths unless we are talking about defense. What would you have the lakers do to play to the strengths of the 3rd option?

Here's the thing Big Game. We are going to agree to disagree. You think i'm over stating Bynum's importance whereas what's actually being said is everyone on this board besides you would have rather seen us lose with what was working rather than what was suppose to work on paper. This is the central theme of my statement not BYNUM.

So let me ask you this. If Drew became the second option just for the sake of argument & Pau was 3rd, say we were in the Finals against Orlando & D12 was balling, Drew was nowhere to be found & Pau had it rolling not just all series but all playoffs long, should we not got to Pau especially being behind in the series?

[iamworthy]

Please point out where I said no one EVER plays through the 3rd option. In fact the real question I ask you never answered. Now a week later you use 3 hall of famers, 3 of the 50 greatest players in the nba, 3 all-stars, and 3 winners of the finals MVP

History has shown whats best for this team. Bynum is the 3rd option at best but you argue like he's the first option. We are talking about the 3rd option....this is mind boggling. A third option that has yet to prove any type of consistency on a NBA level. Also, its never personal when talking about a third option, that doesnt even make sense. Im sitting here thinking and I dont know any team that plays to the 3rd options strengths unless we are talking about defense. What would you have the lakers do to play to the strengths of the 3rd option?

Here's the thing Big Game. We are going to agree to disagree. You think i'm over stating Bynum's importance whereas what's actually being said is everyone on this board besides you would have rather seen us lose with what was working rather than what was suppose to work on paper. This is the central theme of my statement not BYNUM.

So let me ask you this. If Drew became the second option just for the sake of argument & Pau was 3rd, say we were in the Finals against Orlando & D12 was balling, Drew was nowhere to be found & Pau had it rolling not just all series but all playoffs long, should we not got to Pau especially being behind in the series?

So you do realize I never said "no one EVER plays through the 3rd option"

You and these made up scenarios You are really going extreme to try and prove your point. But in your perfect scenario set up for your point, yes ankle, go to Gasol.

But yes, we are gonna have to agree to disagree here's to next time :I guess they removed the beer smilies:

[JustAwesome]

Bynum has more potential, but Chandler performed better (for a championship team). I'd lean more towards the guy that can help win now.