DRAFT THREAD part II: Come Together.... Right Now....

[EvanZ]

Without one of those guys being a #1 while remaining efficient, we'll need all the help we can get. Reggie Williams cant stay on the court very long, and it remains to be seen if Curry can be the #1 AND the PG.

Defenders can be had for sub-MLE prices.. I'll take a guy who can put up efficient shooting #s and is a smart player any day over a Singleton or a very average Kawhi.

I assume you think Reggie can't stay on the court because of his porous defense. Klay won't be any better.

I think Leonard has a much better shot of becoming the next Gerald Wallace than Klay has of becoming anything close to the next Reggie Miller. Maybe Klay is the next Kevin Martin, but less efficient, because he can't get to the line or finish as well. Woo hoo. What a find.

[turk3d]

Klay may not be a stud on defense, but has way quicker feet (and better footwork) than Reggies does and is a little taller. The only advantage Reggie has over him would be post ups due to his edge in strength.

With Monta and Curry providing help defense to him and playing the passing lanes (KLays long arms will help) if we continue to play an aggressive defensive style on looking for turnovers and MJ stressing it, he might actually turn out to be adequate defensively. Just changing the style and the emphasis on defense of this team will help to improve most guys of these guys imo.

[yehyeh82]

Without one of those guys being a #1 while remaining efficient, we'll need all the help we can get. Reggie Williams cant stay on the court very long, and it remains to be seen if Curry can be the #1 AND the PG.

Defenders can be had for sub-MLE prices.. I'll take a guy who can put up efficient shooting #s and is a smart player any day over a Singleton or a very average Kawhi.

I assume you think Reggie can't stay on the court because of his porous defense. Klay won't be any better.

I think Leonard has a much better shot of becoming the next Gerald Wallace than Klay has of becoming anything close to the next Reggie Miller. Maybe Klay is the next Kevin Martin, but less efficient, because he can't get to the line or finish as well. Woo hoo. What a find.

Lol, so one has a better chance of being a fringe all-star than the other has a chance of being a hall-of-famer? What makes you think that?

Also I'd like to point out that Kevin Martin was not always able to draw fouls like he can today. He "worked on his game" over the past seven years to become the player he is today, something Klay will probably do as well. His rookie year Martin got 1 ft for every ten minutes played, now it's 1 ft every 4 minutes played. His rookie year he shot 38% from the field, 20% from behind the arc and 65% from the line. I expect Klay to have much better numbers than these, and I expect him to work on his game and improve over the years, ala Martin.

[turk3d]

For those complaining about defense, Kevin Martin? I said his offense reminds me a lot of Martin, not his defense (hopefully). And on offense, Martin is a first class chucker. I doubt Thompson will get too far if he has that approach, not with Monta and Curry likely getting the bulk of the shots still. When he comes in the game, he better make the shots he takes or I doubt he's on the floor very long. That's the way it usually is with guys coming in off the bench and when your two starters at top notch.

[GswStorm3]

As much as I wanted Singleton, there will be defenders to be had in FA.

[xRapHeadx]

Reggie Miller didn't play D and he's one of the best players in NBA history.

He's not one of the best players in NBA history.

[turk3d]

As much as I wanted Singleton, there will be defenders to be had in FA.

+ 1. And vets too. No point in wasting a draft pick.

[floppymoose]

I'm looking forward to seeing all the younguns. Sad that there is no SL. That and preseason are a lot of fun as you get to see the future of the league. I hope there is a season, but not if it means the owners are going to bend the players over.

[EvanZ]

Reggie Miller didn't play D and he's one of the best players in NBA history.

He's not one of the best players in NBA history.

Miller will be a HOFer soon. If that doesn't make him one of the best, what does? Winning a championship like Derek Fisher?

[and1GS]

We needed a bench (a bench that can score for that matter) and Klay does that for us. If we were deciding on franchise players I'd be upset, be we weren't. It was a crap draft and the choice was either low ceiling defense (Singleton) or slightly higher yet still low ceiling offense (Klay). I like the pick because we get bigger and improve our crap bench.

Again, Klay doesn't do anything that Reggie Williams doesn't also do. And our other choice was Kawhi Leonard, who has a higher ceiling than both these guys, as far as I'm concerned. The Spurs know what they're doing, anyway.

Gerald Green had a high ceiling too, doesn't mean he was the BPA. Kawhi doesn't have a superstar ceiling so i don't see the point in quibbling over how Kawhi's "ceiling advantage" over Klay (which, let's all be honest, is basically just a guesstimate of future NBA effectiveness given by anyone so inclined to state their opinion) makes him definitively better. He's not.

I also think Reggie sucks, you don't. No point in arguing about that. You say he's a legendary spot shooter as your stats say but my eyes coupled with his inability to play both guard spots, his erratic play, his lack of neck, and his overall lack of impact on this team beg to differ. He's an ok streaky shooter that doesn't do much else and tends to disappear often.

[Twinkie defense]

The fact that you acknowledge he doesn't play defense but still think he was the right pick is slightly disturbing, but not unexpected from most Warriors fans. Big O and little d in Oakland, after all.

Reggie Miller didn't play D and he's one of the best players in NBA history.

a) We weren't drafting for a superstar franchise cornerstone.
b) There are other parts to basketball than defense.

We needed a bench (a bench that can score for that matter) and Klay does that for us. If we were deciding on franchise players I'd be upset, be we weren't. It was a crap draft and the choice was either low ceiling defense (Singleton) or slightly higher yet still low ceiling offense (Klay). I like the pick because we get bigger and improve our crap bench.

And make it easier to trade for a big man/defender/low post scorer...

[Twinkie defense]

I would give Reggie Miller a spot in the top 50 or whatever...

Kirk Lacob says Warriors had 11 offers for the #11 pick.

Also, Monta's agent not requesting trade...

[don nelson]

I would give Reggie Miller a spot in the top 50 or whatever...

Kirk Lacob says Warriors had 11 offers for the #11 pick.

Also, Monta's agent not requesting trade...

That was a Tim Kawakami fabrication.

[azwfan]

There's a big surprise.

[turk3d]

Good stuff Twinkie.

[Left*My*Heart]

I can see the Warriors logic on why the selected Klay. I would have preferred one of the wing defenders, though I would have dreaded drafting a project wing player.

[marthafokker]

If there was 11 offers... and if one being Houston's #14 and #23 pick. That would have been stupid.

Could have gotten Leonard and (Dontas or Hamilton).

I like my chances of 2 players being successful than just KT. GSW could have gotten a defensive wing and and offensive wing in the same draft. Or maybe a Beanbag replacement in a few years.

[Left*My*Heart]

Houston wanted Tristan Thompson or Bismack and thought that one of them would still be on the board at #8, which of course they were both gone.

They may have had an agreement with the Warriors if Tristan or Bismack fell to them at 11, they would give them the 14th and 23rd picks for his rights.

[old rem]

We needed a bench (a bench that can score for that matter) and Klay does that for us. If we were deciding on franchise players I'd be upset, be we weren't. It was a crap draft and the choice was either low ceiling defense (Singleton) or slightly higher yet still low ceiling offense (Klay). I like the pick because we get bigger and improve our crap bench.

Again, Klay doesn't do anything that Reggie Williams doesn't also do. And our other choice was Kawhi Leonard, who has a higher ceiling than both these guys, as far as I'm concerned. The Spurs know what they're doing, anyway.

Gerald Green had a high ceiling too, doesn't mean he was the BPA. Kawhi doesn't have a superstar ceiling so i don't see the point in quibbling over how Kawhi's "ceiling advantage" over Klay (which, let's all be honest, is basically just a guesstimate of future NBA effectiveness given by anyone so inclined to state their opinion) makes him definitively better. He's not.

I also think Reggie sucks, you don't. No point in arguing about that. You say he's a legendary spot shooter as your stats say but my eyes coupled with his inability to play both guard spots, his erratic play, his lack of neck, and his overall lack of impact on this team beg to differ. He's an ok streaky shooter that doesn't do much else and tends to disappear often.

Lack of neck only matters if you block a lot of shots with your face. Other than Thabeet,that does not apply. Reggie is not consistantly a star...obviously...but at times plays damn well. My lack of faith in how GSW coached players makes me feel that many guys who are here (or were) could be more. Harden got a lot of props off a few good games in the playoffs. Thing is,Reggie looks like him and plays like him and in several GSW/OKC games....was better.

Let's keep in mind that the "no neck" thing is a joke.

[turk3d]

Of course it's a joke rem, a pretty good one. The problem with Reggie imo is that he (like so many Warrior players) was asked to do too much. As the 3rd or 4th guy off the bench (or even 2nd maybe) he'd do a lot better but as the 1st guy, I don't think he's good enough (not 6th man potential, at least not yet).

Now that the FO seems to be making a push to improve our depth and to add a few more quality guys in that department, I think Reggie could be a nice player and do quite a bit better for us. It's still not a forgone conclusion that he's going to be with us next season however since there may other teams out there who have a greater need for his services than we do and I don't that it will be that hard for a team that really wants him to throw more money at hims than we're willing to go him, depending on what our alternatives are.