When we trade for Howard we'll win not 1, not 2, not 3...

[slick_watts]

Oh hey Slick tell me what Cleveland got for LeBron and what Toronto got for Bosh. What did PHX get for Amare?

What does that have to do with anything? Cleveland couldn't trade LeBron, couldn't risk it. They did not know he was going to leave. Toronto was drinking the Kool Aid with Bosh and really thought he would stay until the end of the season and it was too late to work something out. Phoenix probably wanted to re-sign Amar'e, and Amar'e might have re-signed, but the Knicks offered him the max in spite of his knee problems. Only Bosh's situation is remotely similar in that we'd know Dwight is being shopped and will leave (even that's unclear at this juncture though).

Denver got a bunch of marginal role players for Melo.

Chandler, Gallinari, and Felton are all above average players for their positions. Felton was having a great year, Gallinari is very young, and Chandler was also having a fairly good season. I'd call all three of them good role players. In what way are they marginal? Denver's return for Carmelo was relatively low because they could only trade him to one team. This won't be the case with Dwight to OKC - Orlando will be able to negotiate with multiple teams for better packages.

Heck what did the Lakers get for Shaq? Lamar Odom and Butler? Heck they traded away Butler before he was any good too.

Shaq was 32 at the time (past his prime) and oft-injured. Odom and Butler (plus first round pick) was a good return for Shaq, who like Deron Williams, did not commit to Miami and was not extended until the offseason.

We're talking about an MVP candidate in his prime, here; and presumably for the purposes of these trade talks an extended MVP candidate. I think you're way off base on what Orlando will get in return for Dwight.

[christian72589]

for long term purposes, the Magic are better off letting Dwight walk. Just like cleveland, toronto and phoenix.

Do you see how much money we have invested in the PG position? lmao

you think we need another PG?

In the absolute worst case scenario where we trade, give me anyone but russel westbrook. Hopefully Dwight stays, but the ignorance displayed by wiff and the troll oin our board is incredible.

If you think a deal will get done sending Dwight to OKC without involving harden or ibaka, you're all crazy. NY sent over THREE players all with talent and lots of potential to be great in that trade and you want to send a player who had one decent season, a piece of trash and a pick?

Get outta here.

[slick_watts]

you want to send a player who had one decent season, a piece of trash and a pick?

Get outta here.

The trade scenario may be unrealistic but I think your description is too far the other way.

[Nolimit1211]

Westbrick, Harden, Ibaka AND Perkins for Dwight, Arenas and Nelson.

You can lose to the Heat the next 5 years with Harden & Westbrook, or you can dominate the league with the next Kobe + Shaq. You guys choose.

[slick_watts]

Westbrick, Harden, Ibaka AND Perkins for Dwight, Arenas and Nelson.

You can lose to the Heat the next 5 years with Harden & Westbrook, or you can dominate the league with the next Kobe + Shaq. You guys choose.

That's an awful trade for OKC.

[Nolimit1211]

Westbrick, Harden, Ibaka AND Perkins for Dwight, Arenas and Nelson.

You can lose to the Heat the next 5 years with Harden & Westbrook, or you can dominate the league with the next Kobe + Shaq. You guys choose.

That's an awful trade for OKC.

Ok, but when you LA working out a 3 way trade and are close to acquiring him the Lakers will rule the West the next 4-5 years all because you didn't want to give up Ibaka.

Addition by subtraction, get him so the competition cant.

[slick_watts]

Westbrick, Harden, Ibaka AND Perkins for Dwight, Arenas and Nelson.

You can lose to the Heat the next 5 years with Harden & Westbrook, or you can dominate the league with the next Kobe + Shaq. You guys choose.

That's an awful trade for OKC.

Ok, but when you LA working out a 3 way trade and are close to acquiring him the Lakers will rule the West the next 4-5 years all because you didn't want to give up Ibaka.

Addition by subtraction, get him so the competition cant.

This makes no sense. Trades have to be considered in terms of value; present and future. Giving up four starting quality players (two on rookie scale and one an All NBA 2nd Team-er) and taking back the worst contract in basketball? That's too much. I would include Ibaka in a trade for Dwight, but not Ibaka and Harden. I might take back Turkoglu, but probably not Gil. I don't see how the Lakers could construct a better package than Westbrook + Harden OR Ibaka + Picks + take back Turkoglu. Maybe some other team would, and that's fine.

[Nolimit1211]

Dwight + Durant >>>> Durant, Westbrook, Harden & Ibaka.

[slick_watts]

Dwight + Durant >>>> Durant, Westbrook, Harden & Ibaka.

Even if that were the case, it doesn't matter. OKC is a value conscious franchise. And that's a weird way to look at the trade you are proposing. I'd have no problem trading Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka for Dwight Howard. Your proposal has us trading away another starter, and taking on a crippling contract as well. I wouldn't say that's a fair trade. You're not going to get that much for Dwight, sorry. At least from the Thunder.

[maginno]

Funny thing is that I didn't bother reading it because it wasn't worth paying attention too because the draft has already came and went.

Oh NOOOOO. the draft is gone so that means they can't trade the player they took in the draft at any time what will we ever do. ....

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'm sure you enjoy puffing on Cigar. I tell you what the guys in Orlando have the most unusual names. Who names their kid Cigar? Must be foreign.

My faith in OKC fans has been renewed since the oldest you could be is nine and maybe a half with that come back.

and yeah I came back since you decided to troll one last time.. to answer your question posed before you got your OKC thread locked players often decide to go for free agency even if they end up staying. They can sign longer contacts. has happened a number of times but you haven't been in the league very long so you got some catching up to do on the history of the NBA.

But hey If he walks he walks but if he does your chances of getting him go way down since all indications are he would be going to a big market like NJ or new York. Theres been zero indication he wants to go to another small market.

[maginno]

Dwight + Durant >>>> Durant, Westbrook, Harden & Ibaka.

Even if that were the case, it doesn't matter. OKC is a value conscious franchise. And that's a weird way to look at the trade you are proposing. I'd have no problem trading Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka for Dwight Howard. Your proposal has us trading away another starter, and taking on a crippling contract as well. I wouldn't say that's a fair trade. You're not going to get that much for Dwight, sorry. At least from the Thunder.

You've been more fair than your comrades so I will say that that is in fact too much. No one is going to give up good players and take on Arenas and Hedo. That's unrealistic. I think the problem is that westbrook is just not enough. Management is pretty prepared to take the risk of Dwight walking it seems. tanking seems to work . It did for you and it is doing okay by Cleveland now. Plus in a few years you shed almost all of the contracts anyway. Plus I still see LA with pieces they could swing a sign and trade with even using a third team. They would be very motivated to assist since they can't sign Dwight outright.

Looks to me like all bets are off anyway. Looks like we are heading to a lock out by Friday. By all accounts things are going to get a lot stiffer with salaries. by the time this washes out its a good possibility no one will be able to offer Dwight even near enough cash. For example you wouldn't be able to put a franchise tag on both Durant and Dwight and a franchise tag is very much what the owners want

[wiff]

but you haven't been in the league very long so you got some catching up to do on the history of the NBA.

Listen here troll. I have been following the league even before your town had a team. Not sure if you are smart enough to figure this out but before OKC they were in Seattle. Now if you want to take a shot at me because my team moved go for it you won't be the first.

to answer your question posed before you got your OKC thread locked players often decide to go for free agency even if they end up staying. They can sign longer contacts. has happened a number of times

But explain to me about "bird rights". Don't tell me that players go to free agency to try to get more money when it is blatantly obvious that Howard is a max deal player. Orlando owns his Bird rights and can pay him more and for LONGER than any other team.

So like I said in the Orlando forum. If Dwight "WANTS" to stay in Orlando why hasn't he signed an extension????

Why hasn't he?

Like I said before if I am hungry and I "WANT" food, I don't go to the store to look around. I go to the store to buy myself some damn food.

Orlando can offer him an extra year and more money. So maybe you need to brush up a little on your knowledge. I know Orlando is still a relatively new team in the league.

But here's the truth troll. Dwight Howard is leaving one way or another. Otis has continued to cripple that roster. Howard had a 43pt 19reb game against the Hawks and you lost by 10. That doesn't speak volumes that screams it from the highest peak in the Himalayas.

Here's a quote from the Huffington Post

Dwight Howard has a clear message for the Orlando Magic: win, or risk losing the all-star center.

The three-time Defensive Player of the Year said he would not sign an extension with the Orlando Magic this summer, and instead would become a free agent in 2012.

He said he would prefer to stay in Orlando, but that could change if the Magic don't win a championship next season.

"I want to win a championship," Howard told NBA.com. "I think the owners have to really know that. That's been my goal and my mission since I've been in the NBA -- to win a championship. I don't have side goals or agendas. My main goal is to win a championship. I want to have 14 other guys who feel the same way."

Let me break this down for you. It's called reading between the lines.

He said he would prefer to stay in Orlando,

That line right there is for all the fans like you. Fan is short for fanatic. That's him appeasing the fans giving you a shred of hope that he might stay. A smoke screen if you will.

And this is what he really said.

My main goal is to win a championship. I want to have 14 other guys who feel the same way.

That is not going to happen in Orlando because the rest of your roster is made up of total garbage and that's me being nice about it.

So what is it? Does he want to stay in Orlando and hang out in Disney World or does the kid want go win a ring?

Personally I think OKC has about 15% shot at landing Howard but I think Orlando has a 0% chance in having Howard play past the 2011/12 season if there even is an up coming season.

Now sometimes the truth hurts. Trust me I lost my entire team try stomaching that. But in a lot of ways I was blinded by my fandom thinking there is no way the league would let my team go from the 11th largest market to the 40th largest market, but guess where they are playing these days?

Deal with it man it's going to happen whether he's in OKC or not he won't be in Orlando.

Now go puff on Cigar

[HeartSouloma]

Wiff pretty much nail it.

[maginno]

MY LAST POST HERE ON THIS -

Listen here troll.

Who came to whose board to talk smack and BEG to be the recipient of Dwight?

I have been following the league even before your town had a team. Not sure if you are smart enough to figure this out but before OKC they were in Seattle. Now if you want to take a shot at me because my team moved go for it you won't be the first.

I feel your pain. its worse than I thought . so you are from a city that couldn't even hold its NBA team
Well shout out to OKC cause that means I was right. They are class and have a classy city. They just have a few hangers on from a city that couldn't keep up. This ain't the Seattle sonics. The Seattle sonics are dead because your city wouldn't support them.

But explain to me about "bird rights". Don't tell me that players go to free agency to try to get more money when it is blatantly obvious that Howard is a max deal player. Orlando owns his Bird rights and can pay him more and for LONGER than any other team.

Hey ,maybe you should learn something before you post. Dwight has turned down AN EXTENSION OF TWO YEARS. Thats all they could offer him at this time. I don't care what you say you are young to the NBA. Your posts show it conclusively . Plenty players opt our their last year to go free agency and sign longer term deals. Go read some NBA history. In less than a year Dwight has that option and he's keeping it open. Leaving for sure? Nope Staying for sure? Nope. Frankly I would say probably leaving depending on how it goes this year but your claiming to know for sure is just fluff and puff because I got under your skin and called you out for trolling and your obviously knowing little about the NBA.

Incidentally I am one up on you. Orlando wasn't my only team rooting for. Long time Miami fan up until the lebron fiasco. SO I have actually rooted for a team that won a ring in recent history (not 30 years ago) and yeah neither of them was so sorry as a city that they lost their franchise.

aid before if I am hungry and I "WANT" food, I don't go to the store to look around. I go to the store to buy myself some damn food. /

Frankly Thats a stupid analogy. Dwight has food and he can wait all the way to next year with his house stacked. At that time he can determine what he wants to do. The fact that he hasn't signed a contract extension because he wants a longer term deal next year doesn't mean he is leaving BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS OUT THERE YET boy genius. Do you go to supermarket when the house is full of food? NO so Dwight can't even go to free agency until next year so your analogy fails. He's clearly not signing an extension to keep his options open including signing for more years or taking less and signing with another team. Either way it will take him beyond the two year extension . Period.
Again do some readin . Maybe buy a book on the NBA or do something anything


Might Dwight be leaving. Yeah he might but has he indicated he wants to go from one small market to another? No? so YOU STILL WON'T GET HIM. so what is the point of trying to troll the Magic board?

Otis has continued to cripple that roster. Howard had a 43pt 19reb game against the Hawks and you lost by 10. That doesn't speak volumes that screams it from the highest peak in the Himalayas.
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That line right there is for all the fans like you. Fan is short for fanatic. That's him appeasing the fans giving you a shred of hope that he might stay. A smoke screen if you will.

See if you didn't come over to the Magic board just to troll but to read you would have known That I am EXTREMELY WELL KNOWN For being an Otis hater (because he assembled such an awful team for the money he paid out) and that I think that if the team doesn't improve the likelihood is that he WILL move on. Dwight seems to have some confidence in Arenas coming back bless his heart (I don't buy it but it could happen) .

So You had to read it in a piece. I've been saying it for years but what you don't seem to get is that all the news media that cover this (including rumours out of those near to him) knows something else - Dwight if he leaves would want to go to LA, hook up with CP in NJ or any big name city he thinks he can win. A small market won't be on his list especially if he has to take less money and years than he would staying in the small market he is in now.

So where does that leave OKC? Waay Down on the list

That is not going to happen in Orlando because the rest of your roster is made up of total garbage and that's me being nice about it.

Tell me something I don't know. Go over to the magic board and tell them Maginno likes our team and thinks Otis did a great job

They willl laugh you to scorn. I am Well known some would say infanous for saying how bad the team is. Otis is a downright joke a s a GM.

But me being here answering your trolling on Magic boards? Does it have anything to do with thinking Dwight will definitely not leave or how good the team is? Nope.

It has to do with your lack of class. Your respectful, classy NBA savvy Mod has been telling you the same thing but you won't listen - just because Dwight might leave doesn't mean we have to send him to you for Westbrook and your mid talent level perkins. Just because a superstar might leave a small market town doesn't mean the fan of another small market town has to be so classless as to come over the the Magic board making jokes about us having to give you picks as well and what you don't want to overpay. Thats your Seattle coming out of you

You bored with your own board? then help your mods build up participation here. thats the classy respectful attitude of one fan of a small market to another fan of a small town market cause son - time flies fast and depending on how the CBA goes you might be potentially kissing a player you want to keep goodbye sooner than you want to and the way you've been representing your team a bunch of Magic fans will be over here laughing at you one day.

Or better yet. Just quite hanging on. OKC is so much better a fan base than Seattle ever was. How a City having a NBA team could fail to support its team that it ended up leaving is a disgrace. let oklahomans represent their team. they do it better and with a lot more class andmy bet is they will be able to keep their team.

and for goodness sake at least get to the finals first before thumping your chest . Orlando with its sorry old team got to the finals a couple years back and you haven't even gotten that far yet. Don't count your chickens before they hatch because I'd laugh if we decided to send Dwight to LA cause you wouldn't be getting there for a long while .

[slick_watts]

We're venturing into some sticky subjects here.

maginno, as a former long-time Sonics fan like wiff, I take exception to some of the things you are saying about Seattle and the Sonics fans. Moreover, that's all water under the bridge and in my experience discussing that stuff on this board leads to inflammatory posts like we've seen here.

You're welcome to participate in the discussion but please (goes to everyone) stick to the topic...