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Post#1401 » by Jajwanda » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:11 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:If there's a place to add veteran free agents now it's in amnesty cuts. It's not exactly easy to find guys willing to play behind an injury only rotation (no playing time if there are no injuries). Caracter may get lucky and stay although I think they'll force him to play for about 400k and decline his team option.

After that they'll probably look to add a Jeff Foster.

What the bench is missing is a second shooter, one that can finish games with Kobe as well as perhaps even produce a little of his own offense. Right now Matt Barnes/Ebanks are repetitive. We don't have a true Kobe-backup just yet and you can't count on Morris-Goudelock.

Good, sound, reasonable post Jajwanda.

Although I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "second" shooter. "Second" implies that we have a first shooter and I don't know who that might be.

I think you are either trying to say we need a second scorer off the bench who can shoot or that we need a second scorer off the bench who can shoot AND an additional ("second") shooter.

I agree with both, but I really agree with the latter.

Not only do the Lakers need a second "real" scorer/shooter off the bench, they also should (ideally) add yet another shooter/scorer to backup Artest (preferably one who can guard both SGs and SFs).

I know it's almost sacrilegious to talk about Matt Barnes around here, but, although I like him as a player, I think we could ideally use more of a knock down shooter at his position ... albeit a knock down shooter that is not a complete liability on defense.

Delonte West is the perfect guy for what you are describing as the second scorer/shooter off the bench ... he's extremely ideal because he is a true combo guard in that he can play both guard positions well on offense and defense ... great shooter, great defender ... and he might come very cheap.

If Barnes' spot somehow opens up (it more than likely will not), as much as I like Ebanks, I prefer a guy like Sasha Pavlovic because he could be that "second" shooter off the bench (the first being Delonte West) and his defense when motivated by his coach can be just as good as Barnes. Pavlovic can also swing between SF and SG, which is a bonus if the rotation were to tighten up and/or injury.

Jeff Foster would be a great pickup, but why not Troy Murphy who is an equal or better rebounder and a remarkable shooter as well (although Foster is a better defender).

But either way, it should be fine. We can only hope that the fourth and fifth bigs (probably Caracter and a guy like Foster or Murphy) are as sound and effective as Powell and Mbenga were.

We just need two guys that can seamlessly fill in when someone goes down. This is another reason I prefer Murphy because even if one of Odom or Gasol or Bynum become injured we still woulld have some bigman offense coming off the bench. But, I do realize you could argue that Caracter could take on that role.

The problem, like you said, in getting anyone that is halfway good, is that they would have to come knowing full well that they will get a lot of DNP-CDs, I think most guys with the expereince of Foster and Murphy want to play everynight ... we'll see.

Just my two, err three cents.


When I say second shooter I'm saying that I have some faith in Goudelock to make it based on the lack of any impressive competition. Either him or Goudelock will help spread the floor. What they need is for one of the other perimeter positions to be filled with a penetrator and the other one with another knock-down shooter.

Finding a good shooter with decent defense that can play SG/SF is not that hard. I would suggest Rasual Butler.

I would trade Matt Barnes for Keyon Dooling.

Back up unit:

PG- Dooling (can switch onto some SGs and help Fisher, plus create off the P and R), Morris
SG- Fisher, Goudelock (a younger more dynamic FIsher)
SF- Butler, Ebanks (Can do almost everything Barnes does)

I like Troy Murphy, but I would like a real C backup even more so than him.
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1402 » by chefy » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:19 pm

ALL HAIL wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:If there's a place to add veteran free agents now it's in amnesty cuts. It's not exactly easy to find guys willing to play behind an injury only rotation (no playing time if there are no injuries). Caracter may get lucky and stay although I think they'll force him to play for about 400k and decline his team option.

After that they'll probably look to add a Jeff Foster.

What the bench is missing is a second shooter, one that can finish games with Kobe as well as perhaps even produce a little of his own offense. Right now Matt Barnes/Ebanks are repetitive. We don't have a true Kobe-backup just yet and you can't count on Morris-Goudelock.

Good, sound, reasonable post Jajwanda.

Although I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "second" shooter. "Second" implies that we have a first shooter and I don't know who that might be.

I think you are either trying to say we need a second scorer off the bench who can shoot or that we need a second scorer off the bench who can shoot AND an additional ("second") shooter.

I agree with both, but I really agree with the latter.

Not only do the Lakers need a second "real" scorer/shooter off the bench, they also should (ideally) add yet another shooter/scorer to backup Artest (preferably one who can guard both SGs and SFs).

I know it's almost sacrilegious to talk about Matt Barnes around here, but, although I like him as a player, I think we could ideally use more of a knock down shooter at his position ... albeit a knock down shooter that is not a complete liability on defense.

Delonte West is the perfect guy for what you are describing as the second scorer/shooter off the bench ... he's extremely ideal because he is a true combo guard in that he can play both guard positions well on offense and defense ... great shooter, great defender ... and he might come very cheap.

If Barnes' spot somehow opens up (it more than likely will not), as much as I like Ebanks, I prefer a guy like Sasha Pavlovic because he could be that "second" shooter off the bench (the first being Delonte West) and his defense when motivated by his coach can be just as good as Barnes. Pavlovic can also swing between SF and SG, which is a bonus if the rotation were to tighten up and/or injury.

Jeff Foster would be a great pickup, but why not Troy Murphy who is an equal or better rebounder and a remarkable shooter as well (although Foster is a better defender).

But either way, it should be fine. We can only hope that the fourth and fifth bigs (probably Caracter and a guy like Foster or Murphy) are as sound and effective as Powell and Mbenga were.

We just need two guys that can seamlessly fill in when someone goes down. This is another reason I prefer Murphy because even if one of Odom or Gasol or Bynum become injured we still woulld have some bigman offense coming off the bench. But, I do realize you could argue that Caracter could take on that role.

The problem, like you said, in getting anyone that is halfway good, is that they would have to come knowing full well that they will get a lot of DNP-CDs, I think most guys with the expereince of Foster and Murphy want to play everynight ... we'll see.

Just my two, err three cents.



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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1403 » by Jajwanda » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:21 pm

You know I'm almost sure that we could get Stuckey for Morris+TPE. Would anyone be interested in that off the bench? What a player to bring off the bench if you have some nice shooters around him like Fisher/Goudelock-Butler.
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1404 » by LAzPhenom » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:23 pm

when do we start signing rookies?
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Post#1405 » by The_Trade_Seer » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:17 pm

Jajwanda wrote:You know I'm almost sure that we could get Stuckey for Morris+TPE. Would anyone be interested in that off the bench? What a player to bring off the bench if you have some nice shooters around him like Fisher/Goudelock-Butler.


We probably could get Stuckey for Morris plus the T.P.E. ... Stuckey would give us more immediate help but I like Morris long-term.
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1406 » by chefy » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:51 pm

AI-in-LA wrote:
Jajwanda wrote:You know I'm almost sure that we could get Stuckey for Morris+TPE. Would anyone be interested in that off the bench? What a player to bring off the bench if you have some nice shooters around him like Fisher/Goudelock-Butler.


We probably could get Stuckey for Morris plus the T.P.E. ... Stuckey would give us more immediate help but I like Morris long-term.



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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1407 » by ALL HAIL » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:22 am

Is Dooling better or a better fit than West?

From where I'm standing, West can do everything Dooling does AND he can shoot.

Or maybe you just really want to get the best fit in a trade of Barnes?

Rasaul Butler would fill the role of second shooter who isn't a defensive liability very, very well.

I thought of him too, but was more interested in the younger, more athletic, more talented Pavlovic who has shown a propensity to play impressive defense and shoot very well from deep under Mike Brown. Either one would do though.

Choosing a real center over Murphy is understood.

Just expect a guy of the caliber of Mbenga.

Not sure if Murphy would come (probably not), but I'm pretty sure it'll be EVEN HARDER to get "more of a true center".

Kwame Brown, Foster, Nazi Mohammed, Dalembert, and many others woould rather go somewhere where they can play everynight.

Solomon Jones anyone? (Mbenga will probably be the guy -- he should have never left)

But again, the only thing I cannot understand is the "lean" toward Dooling over West (unless you are really trning to dump Barnes for anything that is functional).

Personally, if Phila is waiting until after the Lockout for the Lakers to first cut Walton before they reengage in talks, I'd still do that Igoudala trade but throw in Barnes and Ebanks (instead of Walton)for Igg.

That clears Barnes, Ebanks (who will take a while to develop that jader), and Walton in one fell swoop and enables the Lakers to add the best knockdown shooter they can find at SG/SF, who isn't a complete defensive liability (Rasual Butler, Sasha Pavlovic, Sasha Vujacic, Von Wafer, even Vince Carter if he is willing to take a lesser role -- he'll probably want more than the 12-15 minutes this role will provide):

PG - Iguodala - Blake - Morris
SG - Bryant - West - Fisher - Goudelock
C - Bynum - Gasol - Mbenga
PF - Hayes - Murphy - Caracter
SF - Artest - Pavlovic

That's my team if taking Walton out of the deal (and adding two expirings --Barnes and Ebanks) is what clinches the deal.
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1408 » by PurpleGold » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:05 am

ALL HAIL wrote:Is Dooling better or a better fit than West?

From where I'm standing, West can do everything Dooling does AND he can shoot.

Or maybe you just really want to get the best fit in a trade of Barnes?

Rasaul Butler would fill the role of second shooter who isn't a defensive liability very, very well.

I thought of him too, but was more interested in the younger, more athletic, more talented Pavlovic who has shown a propensity to play impressive defense and shoot very well from deep under Mike Brown. Either one would do though.

Choosing a real center over Murphy is understood.

Just expect a guy of the caliber of Mbenga.

Not sure if Murphy would come (probably not), but I'm pretty sure it'll be EVEN HARDER to get "more of a true center".

Kwame Brown, Foster, Nazi Mohammed, Dalembert, and many others woould rather go somewhere where they can play everynight.

Solomon Jones anyone? (Mbenga will probably be the guy -- he should have never left)

But again, the only thing I cannot understand is the "lean" toward Dooling over West (unless you are really trning to dump Barnes for anything that is functional).

Personally, if Phila is waiting until after the Lockout for the Lakers to first cut Walton before they reengage in talks, I'd still do that Igoudala trade but throw in Barnes and Ebanks (instead of Walton)for Igg.

That clears Barnes, Ebanks (who will take a while to develop that jader), and Walton in one fell swoop and enables the Lakers to add the best knockdown shooter they can find at SG/SF, who isn't a complete defensive liability (Rasual Butler, Sasha Pavlovic, Sasha Vujacic, Von Wafer, even Vince Carter if he is willing to take a lesser role -- he'll probably want more than the 12-15 minutes this role will provide):

PG - Iguodala - Blake - Morris
SG - Bryant - West - Fisher - Goudelock
C - Bynum - Gasol - Mbenga
PF - Hayes - Murphy - Caracter
SF - Artest - Pavlovic

That's my team if taking Walton out of the deal (and adding two expirings --Barnes and Ebanks) is what clinches the deal.


That team can definitely give it to the Heatles.
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1409 » by tugs » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:31 am

Eddy Curry working out with the Heat? isn't he a free agent? he isn't pre-historic, why don't we give him a shot, as a back-up to Drew?
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Re: Official Transaction Ideas thread 

Post#1410 » by BEazy » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:54 am

Dwight Howard's twitter:

@HALFRICKAN lol what I do to her lol beat Boston
(Well we know hes not going to Boston)

@Nunu4444 listen I don't really care. Shaq didn't make up superman. Wb did and dc comics. Not shaq know your history


Interesting.....

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Post#1411 » by TRWJINC » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:59 am

Dwight to LA would be a stupid decison imo. Kobe has about 2 years left imo. His 2 main options are Chicago and OKC. If i was in your guys shoes i would look to trade Gasol. isn't he due 20 mil a season soon. btw lol @ trading odom. Where would Rob Kardashian live then?

This is the Trade i would do

Gasol to Philly
Iggy and Williams to LAL

Sign Rasuel Butler and Troy Murphy on vet mins and sign a good back up C. somebody like Jeff Foster maybe.

Btw didn't include your draftees (assuming there new cba go as plan Walton is gone)


Williams - Blake - Fisher
Kobe - Brown
Iggy - Artest - Butler
Odom - Murphy
Bynum - Foster
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Post#1412 » by Jetset » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:00 pm

^ Stopped reading after your first sentence. Can't take you srsly bro.
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Post#1413 » by Doormatt » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:15 pm

Jetset wrote:^ Stopped reading after your first sentence. Can't take you srsly bro.


I lol'd
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Post#1414 » by Doormatt » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:16 pm

That really is sig worthy.
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TJ Ford??? 

Post#1415 » by The_Trade_Seer » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:41 pm

We need an upgrade at PG and while the NY Times recently had Lamar Odom listed as one of the top 3 NBA players most likely to be traded this year, there is always the possibility that we don't move Lamar or that if we do move Lamar we don't get a PG back.

That said, the only quality unrestricted PG's on the market are J.J Barea and T.J. Ford ... my guess is that Cuban overpays to keep JJ and regardless I don't think the Lakers would want him ... nor would I.

T.J. Ford is an interesting possibility however.

His career per 40 averages are:

16.1ppg, 8.3apg, 4.5rpg, 1.7spg and a 2.4-1 ast/to ratio ... those are GREAT STATS.

During Ford's best 3 years (2006-7 to 2008-9) his per 40 averages were:

19.4ppg, 9.1apg, 4.2rpg, 1.7spg and a 2.5-1 ast/to ratio ... those are AWESOME STATS.

The best thing about T.J. is that he's still only 28 years old, is known as a fierce competitor, great locker room guy and true professional. True he is NOT a 3 pt shooter by any stretch of the imagination but he is a very capable penetrator, as fast as almost anyone in the league and a very good free throw shooter.

At present and if Brown opts in we already have 6 guards (PG: Fisher/Blake/Morris ... SG: Kobe/Brown/Goudelock) and I don't see us adding another unless it's via trade with one of our 6 guards also moving ... however if Brown opts out we could easily move Fisher to the back-up shooting guard position and we would then have a spot for a new starting point man (PG: */Blake/Morris ... SG: Kobe/Fisher/Goudelock) ... TJ is probably as good as we'll get in free agency.

What do you think?
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Post#1416 » by dirtymike » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:09 pm

I swear I didnt know TJ was still in the league! Promise! Where was he...Indy??
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Post#1417 » by fongie24 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:46 pm

dirtymike wrote:I swear I didnt know TJ was still in the league! Promise! Where was he...Indy??


Last I knew he fell out of rotation in Indy and was hard to move cuz he was on a big contract.. last I knew he was known for holding the ball too much, but his numbers seem to disagree with that statement lol I don't really know much about the guy, but if he is still capable of putting up the assist numbers, then I wouldn't mind giving him a shot. Scoring is practically irrelevant with this squad, any offense would be a plus. I would prefer someone who can hit the three, but a good facilitator could really help this team with a new offense.
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Re: TJ Ford??? 

Post#1418 » by dirtymike » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:52 pm

I know...his numbers are really really good. Shows that he CAN still play. And only 28???? A def upgrade with our PGs we have now!!!
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Re: TJ Ford??? 

Post#1419 » by Shamizy » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:05 pm

No. Cannot shoot, cannot defend, and we don't have the $$$ to afford him. We don't need to sign another defensively challenged guard for the MLE for multiple years. Also, he has a history of injuries, he's quite frail.
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Post#1420 » by Slava » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:30 pm

He has chronic back issues from what I remember. Had a couple of good seasons on Raptors and Pacers though.
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