Shaping up the Jazz - A Portland trade Idea

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Shaping up the Jazz - A Portland trade Idea 

Post#1 » by Rondo2Hondo » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:44 am

Kanter was my favorite prospect in the draft, so after the Celtics and T-wolves, I think I'm going to have to watch all of the Jazz games (I also love Favors, Hayward and AK47).

You guys have put together a really likable and scary looking team. I think what is missing, is pass first point guard and a defensive anchor at center.

The first role of the dice the Jazz should do is trading Millsap to Portland in a sign and trade for Greg Oden. I know how a lot of you all love Millsap, but he won't be willing to be a resevre again, after having a taste of the limelight, but I don't see him improving that much on what he already is. Portland are in love with him, and Oden is all but gone.

Kanter is not ready to start, and Okur is a question mark. Trading for Oden gives the Jazz the 2nd best center in the league and there would be no pressure for him to step in right away and play due to the Jazz having a stacked front-court. A 3-man rotation of Oden, Favors and Kanter is by far the most promising in the entire league.

Okur's contract combined with Jefferson, could bring back a top level point guard. Wouldn't the Hornets be interested in trading Chris Paul for cap-relief and a low-post scorer? Or how about bringing back Monta Ellis for Jefferson? Jose Calderon for Jefferson?

So potentially, the Jazz could have:
PG: Harris/ Calderon/ Watson
SG: Hayward/ Bell/ Burks
SF: Miles/ Evans
PF: Favours/ Kirilenko
CT: Oden/ Kanter/ Okur
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Post#2 » by Rhal » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:51 am

Dunno why everyone assumes Portland is going to lose Oden. Unless Portland gets a decent center back there gonna resign Oden and gamble with him.
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Post#3 » by DelaneyRudd » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:54 am

This isn't a good fit for Oden as we just drafted out C of the future and traded for our PF of the future. Sure, I'd love a backup with potential, but I think he'd prefer to go somewhere else.
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Post#4 » by Wolverine » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:48 am

for Wes or Batum or forget it
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Post#5 » by Xsy » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:08 am

Oden has only played 82 games, and how long has be been in the league?

I like to gamble as much as the next guy, but I'm placing my bets on Kanter over Oden. Oden may have had the better skillset and potential, but Kanter has the better knees.
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Post#6 » by DelaneyRudd » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:18 am

MacheteConfetti wrote:Oden has only played 82 games, and how long has be been in the league?

I like to gamble as much as the next guy, but I'm placing my bets on Kanter over Oden. Oden may have had the better skillset and potential, but Kanter has the better knees.

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Post#7 » by Rhal » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:16 am

MacheteConfetti wrote:Oden has only played 82 games, and how long has be been in the league?

I like to gamble as much as the next guy, but I'm placing my bets on Kanter over Oden. Oden may have had the better skillset and potential, but Kanter has the better knees.


There's nothing wrong with Oden's knees anymore. Two MF surgeries happened which are not like they were with Hardaway, you can recover 100% from them fairly easily if you put in the rehab. A Broken knee cap which will heal back stronger then it was before it broke. Nothing says that Oden is going to have recurring injuries to his knees or any injury for that matter unlike someone like Bynum. Portlands Roy on the other hands knees are screwed.
Back onto topic though, how about a deal of Camby/Luke Babbit/Elliot Williams for Millsap/Okur? Utah gets a few young prospects and trades an aging center for an aging center but I think Camby is a much better player to mentor Kanter then Okur. Utah gives up Millsap to let Favors grow more and a C that wasn't going to be resigned anyway. Portland fills the position they really need in a backup PF who will also let LA slide to center for times and they get a decent C play tell Oden gets healthy. Before people edit the trade to add Batum/Wes in, those guys aren't going anywhere.
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Post#8 » by leroydaman » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:43 am

Nope and nope. Millsap for oden who has played 82 games out of a possible 246 in his career and is still not healthy - no way. Jefferson for calderson, a 10 million dollar a year backup PG - Yuck!
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Post#9 » by QuantumMacgyver » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:44 am

Rhal wrote:
MacheteConfetti wrote:Oden has only played 82 games, and how long has be been in the league?

I like to gamble as much as the next guy, but I'm placing my bets on Kanter over Oden. Oden may have had the better skillset and potential, but Kanter has the better knees.


There's nothing wrong with Oden's knees anymore. Two MF surgeries happened which are not like they were with Hardaway, you can recover 100% from them fairly easily if you put in the rehab. A Broken knee cap which will heal back stronger then it was before it broke. Nothing says that Oden is going to have recurring injuries to his knees or any injury for that matter unlike someone like Bynum. Portlands Roy on the other hands knees are screwed.
Back onto topic though, how about a deal of Camby/Luke Babbit/Elliot Williams for Millsap/Okur? Utah gets a few young prospects and trades an aging center for an aging center but I think Camby is a much better player to mentor Kanter then Okur. Utah gives up Millsap to let Favors grow more and a C that wasn't going to be resigned anyway. Portland fills the position they really need in a backup PF who will also let LA slide to center for times and they get a decent C play tell Oden gets healthy. Before people edit the trade to add Batum/Wes in, those guys aren't going anywhere.


How about Memo/CJ/Fesenko for Wes/Camby? We give up a bunch of crap and walk away like bandits. Much like your proposed deal.
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Post#10 » by erudite23 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:07 am

Lawl @ trade proposals.


No, we are not trading a borderline All Star PF for a bunch of .10 chips and a nearly washed up big guy. If Camby were 30 we would think about it...and then say no.

What the Jazz have to do is find a way to grab one more high quality young asset, in the form of a high draft pick or talented young guy who diversifies our team, OR package some of what we have to get a bona fide stud....like Deron Williams, for example. :P

If we can find a team--like NO--who is being forced to auction off their star player and are looking for the best deal possible, I think we are perfectly positioned to make a move. We could offer a package like Jefferson/Harris/Burks/GS pick for a player like CP, which is more than you traditionally get when your stud is forcing his way out.

As for this thread, meh. I would love to take a chance on Oden, but I'm not giving up Paul Millsap to do it. At this point, Oden has to be considered a sunk cost for the Blazers. They can keep throwing good money after bad with him if they want, but it would be better for both parties to mutually agree to part.
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Post#11 » by jazzrule » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:27 am

Rondo2Hondo wrote:Kanter was my favorite prospect in the draft, so after the Celtics and T-wolves, I think I'm going to have to watch all of the Jazz games (I also love Favors, Hayward and AK47).

You guys have put together a really likable and scary looking team. I think what is missing, is pass first point guard and a defensive anchor at center.

The first role of the dice the Jazz should do is trading Millsap to Portland in a sign and trade for Greg Oden. I know how a lot of you all love Millsap, but he won't be willing to be a resevre again, after having a taste of the limelight, but I don't see him improving that much on what he already is. Portland are in love with him, and Oden is all but gone.

Kanter is not ready to start, and Okur is a question mark. Trading for Oden gives the Jazz the 2nd best center in the league and there would be no pressure for him to step in right away and play due to the Jazz having a stacked front-court. A 3-man rotation of Oden, Favors and Kanter is by far the most promising in the entire league.

Okur's contract combined with Jefferson, could bring back a top level point guard. Wouldn't the Hornets be interested in trading Chris Paul for cap-relief and a low-post scorer? Or how about bringing back Monta Ellis for Jefferson? Jose Calderon for Jefferson?

So potentially, the Jazz could have:
PG: Harris/ Calderon/ Watson
SG: Hayward/ Bell/ Burks
SF: Miles/ Evans
PF: Favours/ Kirilenko
CT: Oden/ Kanter/ Okur


lol Please tell us how Oden is the 2nd best center in the NBA. First show us how many games he plays each year. You must think we are crazy to even consider that trade. Now if you want to trade him to us for our equally broken down center Okur
Rondo2Hondo wrote:Kanter was my favorite prospect in the draft, so after the Celtics and T-wolves, I think I'm going to have to watch all of the Jazz games (I also love Favors, Hayward and AK47).

You guys have put together a really likable and scary looking team. I think what is missing, is pass first point guard and a defensive anchor at center.

The first role of the dice the Jazz should do is trading Millsap to Portland in a sign and trade for Greg Oden. I know how a lot of you all love Millsap, but he won't be willing to be a resevre again, after having a taste of the limelight, but I don't see him improving that much on what he already is. Portland are in love with him, and Oden is all but gone.

Kanter is not ready to start, and Okur is a question mark. Trading for Oden gives the Jazz the 2nd best center in the league and there would be no pressure for him to step in right away and play due to the Jazz having a stacked front-court. A 3-man rotation of Oden, Favors and Kanter is by far the most promising in the entire league.

Okur's contract combined with Jefferson, could bring back a top level point guard. Wouldn't the Hornets be interested in trading Chris Paul for cap-relief and a low-post scorer? Or how about bringing back Monta Ellis for Jefferson? Jose Calderon for Jefferson?

So potentially, the Jazz could have:
PG: Harris/ Calderon/ Watson
SG: Hayward/ Bell/ Burks
SF: Miles/ Evans
PF: Favours/ Kirilenko
CT: Oden/ Kanter/ Okur


The only way we want Oden is straight across for Okur. Deal?
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Post#12 » by The59Sound » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:24 pm

Let's not be rude here, gents. :)

R2H, Oden is too big a risk for me. I'm pretty happy with our big man rotation now, and would actually prefer Earl Watson to Calderon, considering what each man will be paid next season. If there's a deal, I think it will be Millsap for a proven swing man.
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Post#13 » by franklin » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:15 pm

I'll trade you Millsap for the 2nd best center in the league as long as you trade Aldridge for the 3rd best center in the league. Fesenko is exploding with potential, is not injury prone aside from frequent hangover diarrhea, and is much, much taller than Aldridge. If anything, Portland would be robbing the Jazz with that trade.
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Post#14 » by Shem » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:35 am

If the Jazz management wants Oden, they're going to end up paying more money than they would want to get him.
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Post#15 » by sunevisions » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:16 am

Oden is not 2nd best center~~

And we need swingman and PG instead of 4 or 5~~

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