CP3 revisited

BLT · Post #1 » by **BLT** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:05 pm

Ok so I was thinking now that you guys have acquired 2 good prospects maybe you guys do have enough to acquire CP3? I think you do, but would CP3 sign with you guys? Dont mean to be offensive but im a Hornets fan thats pretty much resigned to the fact that hes going to leave us anyway..

Would you guys do this deal (if CP3 agrees to sign an extension) ..

CP3 + Emeka

for

Kemba Walker + Bismack Biyombo + Tyrus Thomas + a 1st next year and probably some throw ins to make it work (expiring preferably such wouldnt mind Diaw)

Yes you guys would basically have no depth but i think that CP3 wouldnt be against signing back in his home state and you guys would still have plenty of cap room

Fred Williamson · Post #2 » by **Fred Williamson** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:13 pm

I first want to see what these guys are capable of. Who knows, maybe we have Tim Hardaway and Dwight Howard on this roster

ohara · Post #3 » by **ohara** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:15 pm

I am not interested. I like what we are doing right now and what we are building.

countryboi · Post #4 » by **countryboi** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:18 pm

who trades their 2 picks only 4 days after the draft.....that would be very Lolcats

BLT · Post #5 » by **BLT** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:40 pm

2 good replies but id have to think that CP3 back in NC would be very good for attendance..

Post #6 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:44 pm

I'd only trade for him if he had already extended with us - unless we were giving up very little to get him (which is unlikely).

penquin11 · Post #7 » by **penquin11** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:20 pm

BLT wrote:Ok so I was thinking now that you guys have acquired 2 good prospects maybe you guys do have enough to acquire CP3? I think you do, but would CP3 sign with you guys? Dont mean to be offensive but im a Hornets fan thats pretty much resigned to the fact that hes going to leave us anyway..

Would you guys do this deal (if CP3 agrees to sign an extension) ..

CP3 + Emeka

for

Kemba Walker + Bismack Biyombo + Tyrus Thomas + a 1st next year and probably some throw ins to make it work (expiring preferably such wouldnt mind Diaw)

Yes you guys would basically have no depth but i think that CP3 wouldnt be against signing back in his home state and you guys would still have plenty of cap room

why the **** would we want Okafor? screw that trade we lose EVERYONE who has potential on our team..... Why would we take that trade when we will just sign him out of free agency?

bobcats3wallace · Post #8 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:43 pm

The point of making the trade would be to guarentee we get him. I'll bet you once he hits free agency we have NO shot at getting him. Even having said that, I would not do that trad RIGHT NOW. Perhaps at trade deadline once we get a better feel for Kemba and Biyombo, but not right now. For all we know Kemba might be just as good as CP3 and if that is the case then there is not much point in trading for him. Not saying that WILL happen, but there is always a chance.

That trade would also leave us with literally no one. We would have CP3, DJ, Hendo, Carroll, Maggette, DJW, Najera, Diop and that is it. Plus you would be taking our first round pick from us which could be in the top 5. We would have probably enough cap space, with that trade, to persue Dwight Howard, but that's a pipe dream at best. Lets just see what these players have. If we got a guy like Barnes in next draft then we may not need a "star" like CP3 because he might fill that role and that would be without having to give up anything.

doc.end · Post #9 » by **doc.end** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:02 pm

Go to hell with forcing CP3 upon us!

penquin11 · Post #10 » by **penquin11** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:09 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:The point of making the trade would be to guarentee we get him. I'll bet you once he hits free agency we have NO shot at getting him. Even having said that, I would not do that trad RIGHT NOW. Perhaps at trade deadline once we get a better feel for Kemba and Biyombo, but not right now. For all we know Kemba might be just as good as CP3 and if that is the case then there is not much point in trading for him. Not saying that WILL happen, but there is always a chance.

That trade would also leave us with literally no one. We would have CP3, DJ, Hendo, Carroll, Maggette, DJW, Najera, Diop and that is it. Plus you would be taking our first round pick from us which could be in the top 5. We would have probably enough cap space, with that trade, to persue Dwight Howard, but that's a pipe dream at best. Lets just see what these players have. If we got a guy like Barnes in next draft then we may not need a "star" like CP3 because he might fill that role and that would be without having to give up anything.

Bro not many teams can take on CP3's contract, or even get him in free agency. However I agree with your logic on Kemba, right now he could turn out to be the next AI, and Biyombo could make bigmen a factor in the NBA again for all we know...

LamarMatic7 · Post #11 » by **LamarMatic7** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:25 pm

A week ago I believed in giving anything away for CP3. I still believe that he would mean a winning record with any supporting cast. But right now I'm too excited to see what Bismack-E and Kemba are capable of doing. There is too much talent there to trade them for CP3.

ZackAttack23 · Post #12 » by **ZackAttack23** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:34 pm

The funny thing is that on nba.com Kemba is compared to CP3. I found it odd. I say we should keep team as is until we trade Boris of course. Maybe next offseason we sign CP3 get rid of Augustin and Maggette. Hopefully get Harrison Barnes. Our starting lineup would be...
Paul
Henderson
Barnes
Thomas
Biyombo
I'm pretty sure we'd find a better starting center than Biyombo, but still.

Rich4114 · Post #13 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:26 pm

Woah woah woah, let's not just come out and reject this. I know it's tough to think about getting rid of two shiny new draft picks but this is what it takes to land a CP3.

To the OP - I would absolutely be interested in building a trade out with these pieces involved. The 1st in 2012 would be too much though because that will probably be a lottery pick - CP3 or not which we'd need to become a playoff team.

Kemba, Bismack, Tyrus for CP3 + Okafor would get the job done for me. We'd need to include Diaw I guess as well for the contracts to work. Wouldn't we have to wait a certain amount of time to deal our draft picks though? I think there's some kind of restriction on that.

Anyway, I'd do the above deal with the understanding of CP3 re-signing with us ala Carmello as soon as he got dealt.

If we come away with CP3, Oakfor, and keep Hendo/DJ then I think we are in great shape to work towards a competitive team with the building piece of CP3.

Post #14 » by **BigSlam** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:44 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Anyway, I'd do the above deal with the understanding of CP3 re-signing with us ala Carmello as soon as he got dealt.

That's key. If it was more like the D.Will trade to the Nets I wouldn't be a as keen.

bobcats3wallace · Post #15 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:46 pm

IF you keep that 2012 pick (which i'm not sure we can trade anyway since technically it is owed to the Bulls already) then I would be a bit more interested. I still would want to wait, and i'm sure the Hornets will wait until the deadline as well. If it's Kemba, Biyombo, Thomas, Diaw for CP3 and Okafor then you role a starting lineup out of CP3/Hendo/Maggette/DJW/Okafor and a bench including DJ and no one else, haha. However with that pick next year we could still look at a high draft pick to fill SF and then use Maggette as depth off the bench and address PF in free agency. I guess it wouldn't be terrible. However is it better than Kemba and Biyombo being in that lineup? That's the question. That's why we have to wait and see, we just don't know enough NOW to make a call like this.

BobsBuddy · Post #16 » by **BobsBuddy** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:59 pm

DJ, Diaw, and TT for CP3 works and makes sense for both teams.

We only have a 2012 pick if we are in the Lottery. If not it goes to Chicago on TT trade. :roll:

We would have to find another 4 to backup DJ White/Najera,but probably could find an expiring or FA. We should keep Kuwammee around our new younger players and Magette as our scorer along with CP3 and Kemba... CP3 will make DJ White and Cunningham better offensive weapons at 4 and 3. :wink:

Rich4114 · Post #17 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:25 am

CP3 is an player capable of putting up an MVP season. I'm pretty excited to see what Kemba brings us but no way in hell would I even balk at shipping him and Bismack off for CP3. We basically traded Wallace, Jackson, and our 2011 pick for CP3 and Okafor. That seems like a good deal to me, no? We'd finally have a guy we could build around and get someone back at C who can be a quality defender.

If there were a way to do it without Kemba then we walk away with a fantastic deal. Being that the Hornets are owned by the NBA, who knows what they would be willing to do. DJ and Tyrus are both from NOLA aren't they? There might be some value in packaging things around them and getting the Hornets out of the Okafor deal. We could ship them the expiring contract of Boris Diaw, Tyrus Thomas who is locked in long term, and DJ Augustin who is on his rookie deal and would have an opportunity to resign long term with NOLA. They will have to rebuild from there but they'd have cap space + a deep 2012 draft to look forward to.

We will be in a similar boat to the Knicks having virtually zero depth, but who cares? You take the season to get some familiarity with some main pieces and you build around the star. We could go from ????? and possible competitive team in 3-4 years to competing in the top 4 in the East by year 2012-13.

e4Nf6 · Post #18 » by **e4Nf6** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:50 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't we just sign CP3 next year, assuming he was agreeable. If I'm reading this correctly we should have enough cap space for a max contract in 2012-2013.

captaincrunk · Post #19 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:59 am

e4Nf6 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but couldn't we just sign CP3 next year, assuming he was agreeable. If I'm reading this correctly we should have enough cap space for a max contract in 2012-2013.

We don't know what the max will be, but I bet it will be even lower.

Post #20 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:08 am

As much as I would like it to happen, I can't see Paul signing here with this current roster.

We are doing the right thing and obtaining assets, but we are going to need a team that looks like it could win before he will sign here.