***Sixerfan1976 Official Thread - Update Page 28***

sixerfan1976 · Post #581 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:13 pm

I was told the sixers were exploring it. I dont know what that means.

Skates · Post #582 » by **Skates** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:28 pm

My hope is that they don't do the Martin deal, a lockout occurs and the new ownership group comes in and decides to shake things up.

With David West testing FA and his knee being shot for most of next year anyway, this summer is the time to strike for Chris Paul. Build a package around Holiday and a S&T of Young and keep Iggy and Turner then try to move Brand next year when his contract is expiring. I know the current management group has said they would not part with Holiday for CP3, but trading Iggy for Kevin Martin is only treading water for a slightly better than mediocre team and Martin is no draw for another big player the way Paul would be.

Either go young all the way or go for a superstar.

phillyborn79 · Post #583 » by **phillyborn79** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:32 pm

sixerfan1976, I assume Doug is blowing smoke when he says that they are not shopping Iggy and that they want Iggy part of this team?

sixerfan1976 · Post #584 » by **sixerfan1976** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:33 pm

I think getting Paul is unrealistic.

As for Collins talking up Iguodala. They are obviously trying to keep his value as high as possible...but also set themselves up to bring him back in case they cant work out a deal. I think he gets traded.....just thought it would happen already.

sixerswillrule · Post #585 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Skates wrote:My hope is that they don't do the Martin deal, a lockout occurs and the new ownership group comes in and decides to shake things up.

With David West testing FA and his knee being shot for most of next year anyway, this summer is the time to strike for Chris Paul. Build a package around Holiday and a S&T of Young and keep Iggy and Turner then try to move Brand next year when his contract is expiring. I know the current management group has said they would not part with Holiday for CP3, but trading Iggy for Kevin Martin is only treading water for a slightly better than mediocre team and Martin is no draw for another big player the way Paul would be.

Either go young all the way or go for a superstar.

Turner for Martin, that would be another story when combining it with that idea. We'd still need a center but Paul-Martin-Iguodala would be quite a trio.

Bring Back 1983 · Post #586 » by **Bring Back 1983** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:55 pm

I agree with SF76 on the Martin and Williams preference because I just don't see much with Jordan Hill. I think this deal is off the table (if it's not already) on Houston's end after the lockout. Depending on what flexibility they find in a post lockout world, Martin has a very movable contract and with their other assets, I think quite frankly they can do better than Iggy. He is less ball dominant as well which helps with Jrue and ET.

At the risk of being naive, I kind of like what that can do as far shifting the ball to the hands of your young guys. Martin would certainly get his share of shots, but I really think ET's value for us is going to be how he can make the game easier for everyone else through his passing, slashing and ball-handling on the wing and hopefully a reliable mid-range game. Assuming Vucevic is not the next Rentzias (no clue why we ever acquired that guy), and all of Speights minutes (or lack thereof) go to Brackins, lets see what we have. You have a ton of expiring money after 2012-13 (Brand, Lou and Martin would be done) and only Thad is likely to have sizeable deal at that point.

BTW, I will be starting at PG for the Sixers before CP3 will be. And you don't want me starting.

KrazySixersD · Post #587 » by **KrazySixersD** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:04 pm

I want the ellis deal, but i would also do the martin deal in a heartbeat... and i would take terrence williams over hill ANY DAY..

if you are losing iggy's perimeter D, gaining terrence williams to play the 2 and 3 off the bench for defensive purposes is perfect. The guy is a VERY good defender at the 2 or 3...

he could be the main backup to turner at the 3 and get some spot minutes at the 2 if meeks is off, and guard the best player on the opposing team when he's in... taking pressure off turner and martin for good portions of the game

i dont know why on earth we are hesitating on that deal, and why anyone here would want hill over williams when williams does what iguodala does best, and thats defend

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #588 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:23 pm

Hell yeah to the Martin trade if it happens. Would actually prefer Martin over Ellis on this team as constructed. It would give us better perimeter offense for sure and at the same time Martin wouldn't take away the basketball from Holiday and Turner. Kevin Martin is just the player we need to fit in between those two.

Sixerlover · Post #589 » by **Sixerlover** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:16 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
Skates wrote:My hope is that they don't do the Martin deal, a lockout occurs and the new ownership group comes in and decides to shake things up.

With David West testing FA and his knee being shot for most of next year anyway, this summer is the time to strike for Chris Paul. Build a package around Holiday and a S&T of Young and keep Iggy and Turner then try to move Brand next year when his contract is expiring. I know the current management group has said they would not part with Holiday for CP3, but trading Iggy for Kevin Martin is only treading water for a slightly better than mediocre team and Martin is no draw for another big player the way Paul would be.

Either go young all the way or go for a superstar.

Turner for Martin, that would be another story when combining it with that idea. We'd still need a center but Paul-Martin-Iguodala would be quite a trio.

I wish.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #590 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:25 pm

I would hate parting with Holiday in any of this. Reason being is I don't think Jrue has in the slightest tapped into his potential. I see Gary Payton when I watch Holiday play. Not sure if i'm ready to give that up but thats just me. Keeping Iguodala at this point is probably not going to happen considering all the rumors and considering the fact that we still continue to field offers for him.

Post #591 » by **tk76** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:26 pm

IMO Jrue/Martin/Iguodala/Brand/C would give you a pretty well balanced playoff team for the next 2 years. Somewhat like Sam at C would work.

Then in 2-3 yrs you let Brand, Iguodala and Martin walk and try and slot in some max FA's next to Jrue.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #592 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:30 pm

I hope we don't trade Turner. I'd rather see Iguodala go before him. Turner hasn't even gotten a shot yet.

sixerswillrule · Post #593 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:34 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I would hate parting with Holiday in any of this. Reason being is I don't think Jrue has in the slightest tapped into his potential. I see Gary Payton when I watch Holiday play. Not sure if i'm ready to give that up but thats just me. Keeping Iguodala at this point is probably not going to happen considering all the rumors and considering the fact that we still continue to field offers for him.

Keeping Iguodala should be apart of trying to compete. By that I mean something like described above(although we obviously have a slim chance of getting someone like Paul). Not 'competing', as in remaining a mediocre team with stop-gap trades for guys like Kaman or Odom. That would just be a bad move. We have to pick one end of the spectrum. Either go for it all in trying to put together a really great team for the next few years, or blow it all up and go completely young. One or the other. The middle should not be an option.

sixerswillrule · Post #594 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:36 pm

tk76 wrote:IMO Jrue/Martin/Iguodala/Brand/C would give you a pretty well balanced playoff team for the next 2 years. Somewhat like Sam at C would work.

Then in 2-3 yrs you let Brand, Iguodala and Martin walk and try and slot in some max FA's next to Jrue.

If we're not becoming a truly competitive team, it wouldn't make much sense to trade Turner for Martin.

Sixerlover · Post #595 » by **Sixerlover** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:38 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I would hate parting with Holiday in any of this. Reason being is I don't think Jrue has in the slightest tapped into his potential. I see Gary Payton when I watch Holiday play. Not sure if i'm ready to give that up but thats just me. Keeping Iguodala at this point is probably not going to happen considering all the rumors and considering the fact that we still continue to field offers for him.

Off topic - But I'm probably a bigger Jrue fan than either you are, but I ain't passing up on CP3

Post #596 » by **tk76** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:45 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
tk76 wrote:IMO Jrue/Martin/Iguodala/Brand/C would give you a pretty well balanced playoff team for the next 2 years. Somewhat like Sam at C would work.

Then in 2-3 yrs you let Brand, Iguodala and Martin walk and try and slot in some max FA's next to Jrue.

If we're not becoming a truly competitive team, it wouldn't make much sense to trade Turner for Martin.

It depends what else you get in the deal, since their salaries don't match. If your goal is to be better than Miami then you really have zero hope in the next 4 years regardless of what you do. But I do think a team of Jrue/Martin/Iggy/Brand and say Okafor could win 55 games and be extremely dangerous. They just are unlikely to have a good chance at a title.

Right now Iguodala, Jrue and Brand are very good NBA players. Turner may or may not be as good as those guys- but he certainly was not last year. If you decide to go young then by all means keep Jrue and Turner. But I would not say ET has shown enough promise to be untouchable given his skill set is redundant on a team with Iguodala and Jrue.

bmyers3317 · Post #597 » by **bmyers3317** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:01 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I hope we don't trade Turner. I'd rather see Iguodala go before him. Turner hasn't even gotten a shot yet.

Totally agree, watch all the bandwagon fans jump on this year.

Post #598 » by **tk76** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:04 pm

I'm not opposed to dealing Iguodala- but I think many fans feel like Iguodala is the one that has to go- while I'm not convinced that is the case. Iguodala is about 3.5 years older than Turner, but he should be in his prime for a while. It sounds like Iguodala may not be able to bring back good value in a trade. Brand is stuck on the roster another two years.

Combine all of these factors and it suggests that the team may want to investigate moving Turner if he brings back far better value than Iguodala.

sixerswillrule · Post #599 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:05 pm

tk76 wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
tk76 wrote:IMO Jrue/Martin/Iguodala/Brand/C would give you a pretty well balanced playoff team for the next 2 years. Somewhat like Sam at C would work.

Then in 2-3 yrs you let Brand, Iguodala and Martin walk and try and slot in some max FA's next to Jrue.

If we're not becoming a truly competitive team, it wouldn't make much sense to trade Turner for Martin.

It depends what else you get in the deal, since their salaries don't match. If your goal is to be better than Miami then you really have zero hope in the next 4 years regardless of what you do. But I do think a team of Jrue/Martin/Iggy/Brand and say Okafor could win 55 games and be extremely dangerous. They just are unlikely to have a good chance at a title.

Right now Iguodala, Jrue and Brand are very good NBA players. Turner may or may not be as good as those guys- but he certainly was not last year. If you decide to go young then by all means keep Jrue and Turner. But I would not say ET has shown enough promise to be untouchable given his skill set is redundant on a team with Iguodala and Jrue.

Jrue would have to make quite the leap for that team to win that many games next season. I think with a superstar like Paul we would have a legitimate shot, but with just the Martin deal then we're still around 4-5 seed without much of a chance.
I'm not saying that Turner is untouchable, just that if we do trade him it should be either for another really good young guy or part of a move to go all-in(which would also involve trading Jrue).

51X3RF4N · Post #600 » by **51X3RF4N** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:06 pm

I think right now is the PERFECT time to tank. The next 2 seasons will have legit stars at #1 overall in the draft. If Drummond can't enter the 2012 draft (or decides against it), you take Harrison Barnes and tank another season to get Drummond in 2013.

Jrue
Turner
Barnes
Max FA
Drummond

Anyone else currently on the roster can be traded for future draft picks and cap space.

I know it's nearly impossible to pick #1 overall 2 years in a row, but if you can be top 5 next year you'll likely be in position to get Barnes. And then with all the picks you acquired (hopefully from lottery teams), you can certainly be in position to get the #1 overall spot in 2013.

Drummond is going to be a stud in the NBA, no doubt in my mind about it. Pair him up with Barnes/Jrue/Turner and some max FA PF and watch that team truly compete for the following 5 years.