What shooter Jazz should get?

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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#21 » by carrottop12 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Gazj08 wrote:Cant see the Jazz getting any FA of note

Best option is to maybe package Millsap and Bell to Orlando for JJ, Anderson and maybe QRich, havent checked if it works salary wise and there may need to be some picks, but it would get at least a couple of "deemed" quality shooters


I could see a millsap for reddick deal discussed.Orlando needs to prove to Dwight they want to win and adding millsap would be a good start.

I'd try to get bass back in the deal to replace Paul as a 6th man, get them to take bell as well.

Trade ID #5912438

Wonder if we could get a first rounder back in the deal also. I'd definitely take a serious look at that trade.

Harris/Watson
Reddick/burks
Hayward/Evans
Favors/bass
Jefferson/kanter

Definitely some options on that team. Maybe Evans will magically develop a 3 point shot.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#22 » by The59Sound » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Reddick is pretty limited, but I guess we wouldn't really need him to do much besides camp out and hit threes, a skill we surely don't have enough of.

Orlando is the perfect place for Millsap. Being paired with a dominant defensive center will hide his weaknesses and allow him to exploit his strengths.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#23 » by carrottop12 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:20 pm

JJ has actually really worked on being a solid defensive player. He's able to stay on the floor because he gets after the ball despite his physical short comings. I'd love to have him in Utah, he fits in very, even if we were to bring him off the bench.
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Post#24 » by The59Sound » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:29 pm

Bat wrote:JJ has actually really worked on being a solid defensive player. He's able to stay on the floor because he gets after the ball despite his physical short comings. I'd love to have him in Utah, he fits in very, even if we were to bring him off the bench.


I sort of think of JJ the same way I do Korver. He's not a good defender, primarily because of his lack of lateral quickness, but the effort is there; he gets up into guys as best he can. Still, I'd worry about matching him up against starting 2s.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#25 » by Jampod » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:14 pm

Why would we want to include Bass in that deal? Millsap and Bass have similar skillsets and I can't think of another player in the league that is as identical to Millsap than Bass. Aren't we trying to unload the logjam? That roster looks great on paper but its just a question of mine that needs answering.
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Post#26 » by Gazj08 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:38 pm

Ok so I checked the ESPN trade machine and this trade works.

UTH - Milsap and Bell

ORL - JJ, R Anderson and Duhon

I think that is not bad, I would most certainly ask for a 2012 pick (whether we get it would be another question). But the only problem I see with this deal is Duhon, he still has 3 years left, which might not fit in with what we want to do. Both JJ and RA are very good shooters from deep, if not a bit soft.
I would take QRich, but then they would have to start Bell at the 2 unless they wanted to have a Nelson and Arenas backcourt.
Bass duplicates what we already have, I like RA as a stretch 4, and he is expiring.
However if we were to get Bass we could always flip him somewhere else
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Post#27 » by carrottop12 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:33 pm

Jampod wrote:Why would we want to include Bass in that deal? Millsap and Bass have similar skillsets and I can't think of another player in the league that is as identical to Millsap than Bass. Aren't we trying to unload the logjam? That roster looks great on paper but its just a question of mine that needs answering.


"What shooter Jazz should get?"

My answer: JJ Reddick.

Then I provided a scenario where that is possible.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#28 » by d-will8 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:16 pm

I'd also been thinking that sending Millsap and Raja to Orlando for Redick and Bass could be a great trade for both teams. Though Bass is similar to Millsap, I still think swapping the two would help with the logjam, since Favors would unquestionably take the starting role and the lion's share of minutes. Bass is probably best suited to playing 15-20 minutes a night, whereas Millsap absolutely commands more than that. Also, Bass is a nice role playing backup PF, so we could probably ship him off to a playoff team looking to shore up its depth up front if we wanted to.

In any case, I'd be fine with taking on Bass if it meant getting Redick, because I think he'd be an awesome fit for this team both short and long term. He can obviously shoot the ball, but he's also a solid ball handler and defender, which makes him less of a one trick pony than Korver. He'd be a good enough starter for now and a great reserve if Burks or somebody else (somebody we've yet to draft perhaps) were to emerge as the second wing starter alongside Hayward.

So, yeah, I could get in to that trade.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#29 » by carrottop12 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:30 pm

The logjam with our big guys really isn't a problem as long as Favors is getting the majority of the minutes at PF right now, that's really my only concern.

I'd love to keep Millsap on the team to play him 25-30 minutes a night as a back up, but my guess is he wants more than that, and he deserves more than that. The problem is Favors is just much more important to the team right now.

Move him for a guy that is probably better suited in a 20 minutes a night role in Bass, add a shooter, give Millsap an opportunity as a full time starting PF next to a very good player, and get rid of Bell.

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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#30 » by red4hf » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:36 pm

I used to really dislike Reddick...... But, he's come around to being a solid player...... I wouldn't mind at all if the Jazz added him for the right price.......

I would hate to lose MIllsap, the guy is becoming a better offensive player every year, but he is an impediment to the development of Favors......

So if we can clear up that roadblock, and get a much needed shooter, I'm all for it......
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#31 » by eLo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:46 pm

JazzD15 wrote:Streaky shooters don't shoot in the 40% range. is eLo trolling again?

wow some times I overestimate peps intellect sorry for that :) :wink: quick explanation i think that Hay is not a guy who will hit something like 100+ threes for season, i know he will hit his shoot on good % but he wont makes his nba career on standing beyond arc.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#33 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:46 am

I'm really surprised how many of you are liking the Reddick idea... I thought everyone here was more likely to trash him than want him on our team.

My vote goes to Danny Granger. He is the perfect fit for the team in every aspect.
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Post#34 » by carrottop12 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:36 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I'm really surprised how many of you are liking the Reddick idea... I thought everyone here was more likely to trash him than want him on our team.

My vote goes to Danny Granger. He is the perfect fit for the team in every aspect.


Reggie miller would be even better, but that doesnt mean its realistic. What pieces does Indiana have that make granger easily had for a non star pf? Getting millsap while they have Hansbrough developing seems counterproductive.

You have to realize that in a millsap trade, the jazz are likely to be the ones who lose out on talent, but fill multiple needs, not the other way around. If were going to get something better than millsap we have to make a good package, probably including the gsw pick because at this point we don't have that many other tradable assets.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#35 » by eLo » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:38 am

www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20283

Probably most peps would like Afflalo from that list, im only intrigue how many team will likely call his agent this summer, guy is good but not worthed to overpay much.
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#36 » by Gazj08 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:56 am

I love the Granger idea, but maybe about a year ago when we were still contending. Now it doesn't hold much sense for either us or the Pacers.
In the rebuild I would rather a young up and coming guy that is happy to sit on the pine whilst we let Hayward and Burks have the lion share of the minutes at the wing spot. Someone like Granger will demand 35-40 mins per game, I think this doesn't fit with the young cores progression.
Thats why I would rather a JJ come in off the bench for 20-25 mins per game and stretch the defense.
I like Affalo but just not sure he would want to come to SLC unless we overpay him, which i would not be inclined to do.
The Orlando trade works cause the Magic want to keep Dwight and getting Milsap may go some ways to achieving this
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Re: What shooter Jazz should get? 

Post#37 » by Curtis Lemansky » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:51 am

I think Indiana could be convinced into a Millsap-Granger type of trade. Hansbrough is decent but I dont think he is good enough to be a starter on a good team. They also have George who can replace Granger in the starting line-up. Utah may have to add something to Millsap along the lines of a lottery protected 1st.
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