The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[chabber]

:D The more I see of this guy the more I like him. I agree with Crunchys observation on another thread...Put TT at 4 and BB at 5 and NOBODY will be able to score on us down low.

i love the idea of having two great shotblockers protecting the rim but lets not get too ahead of ourselves. being able to block shots is not the only thing that makes a great interior and post defender. for big men, being able to read the game, cut off lanes, rotate quickly on switches, get out on pick and rolls and most importantly not picking up stupid fouls while contesting shots is more important to overall defense success than being about to block shots or being quick.

despite all his amazing tool, tyrus still isnt a good defender. he gets out of position, he gambles on blocks when he shouldnt and he is horrible about picking out fouls. i dont want biyombo to play like tyrus.

i know chandler is a bad word in these parts, but what he did defensively for the mavs in the playoffs is what i want to see out of biyombo, except with more shot blocking. chandler anchored that defense. you can also look at guys like garnett and perkins in 2008-2010 with the celtics as an example of how defend the paint. imagine if garnett and perkins had the shot blocking skills that tyrus and biyombo have? now THAT would be deadly.

okafor was a great shotblocker but that never really translated to okafor being a great defender. he was a pretty good defender, but never great. he didnt do all the other things needed outside of blocking shots to be great.

i've kinda given up on tyrus ever being a great defender. he just doesnt seem to read the game well enough to be great. biyombo is young. he has the tools to be a force. lets hope he has the bballiq to really make him something special.

Great post. From the game footage I've seen, not the highlight reels, he's got a lot to learn as far as blocking out, rebounding and defending. The plus side is that he doesn't have a lot of experience, he's 18 and with Silas, hopefully he can get there. It'd feel much better if Oakley was still around but for now we'll have to make due.

Side note - I still like Chandler and would take a hurt TC over Okafor every time.

[BigSlam]

Bobcats Pick Biyombo Faces Buyout Dispute in Spain

Jorge Sanz, spokesman for the Madrid-based team Fuenlabrada, said Biyombo has two seasons left on his deal and his buyout clause is more than $1.4 million. NBA rules say the Bobcats can't pay more than $500,000 toward a buyout.

While Sanz said the team has accepted and won't fight the 18-year-old Congo native's desire to leave, it expects to receive the buyout

If Biyombo is forced to pay the buyout, it would be a large chunk of his scheduled $2.4 million salary next season under the current NBA rookie scale. But the possible NBA lockout could also affect Biyombo's future. The labor dispute threatens part or all of next season.

Biyombo, who is in Charlotte working out this week, told reporters Friday he was a "free agent" and the buyout wasn't a concern.

"I'm going to play in the NBA next season, for sure, 100 percent," Biyombo said.

If Biz wants to play in the NBA/for the Bobcats so bad that he is willing to chip in a million dollars of his own coin then how could we not love the champ?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/06 ... ss&emc=rss

[e4Nf6]

I would be interested to see what Biz and his people have to say about that. He seems to be under the impression that he is already out of contract.

Also, if there is an extended lock-out would he go back to play in Madrid, having nothing better to do?

[BigSlam]

Are the players in the D League under the same CBA/union as the players in the NBA?

If not, will there still be a D League this season and if so could DJA, Kemba, Hendo, Dante, T2, DJW and Biz all play in it?

[BigSlam]

It seems like you've become battery's polar opposite. instead of bashing DJ, you bash in Biz and Kemba.

I'm not bashing him - or Kemba. I'm mearly pointing out my observations on both of them and my observation is that Biz gets by more on his length than be being an exposive athelte.

If anything this part that you put in bold supports that point:

Dwights wingspan:7' 4.5"
Bismacks wingspan: 7' 6.16"

At-least Battery is rational with his bashing

No he's not. He's crazy and should be locked up.

[Stun704]

It seems like you've become battery's polar opposite. instead of bashing DJ, you bash in Biz and Kemba.

I'm not bashing him - or Kemba. I'm mearly pointing out my observations on both of them and my observation is that Biz gets by more on his length than be being an exposive athelte.

If anything this part that you put in bold supports that point:

Dwights wingspan:7' 4.5"
Bismacks wingspan: 7' 6.16"

At-least Battery is rational with his bashing

No he's not. He's crazy and should be locked up.

Lol slam I wasn't saying you were bashing him or kemba, I was saying Captain Crunk was i've been noticing his constant negative remarks in threads involving them, I know you support them, when I said @ slam i was just pointing out Dwights athleticism @ 18 wasn't all that amazing.

[Nanogeek]

Biz doesn't seem very athletic - does he? He doesn't really explode to the rim.

Are you being sarcastic or..... If your being serious watch his Nike World Summit Highlights

I've seen the world summit highlights and I am being serious. He is extremely long (obviously!) but isn't really super explosive.

Just in case you haven't seen the highlights :

Check out the baseline spin at 1:29. If that was Howard, he would have just exploded to the rim and stuffed it.

No one drafted Bismack for his offense. And its a bit rich to judge someone based on one play. There's plenty of footage of him dishing out monster dunks.

99% of the blocks he got were because he is just super long and showed great timing

You mean like Hakeem Olajuwon, etc.?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting that Biz is a sloth, but he's not a mind blowing athlete either. I do hope our coaches work hard on his core strength though to add elite explosion (D.Howard style).

I am not sure what your point is. Is Biyombo some sort of Bo Jackson ultra-athlete? No. But no one is thinking he is or expecting him to be. The Bobcats certainly didn't draft him with that expectation. If Biyombo develops into a 8/12/3 player that can avoid foul trouble then the Bobcats should be happy. As for particulars, Biyombo's freakish wingspan especially for his height, court speed and 4.2% body fat indicate a superior athlete in any event.

[BigSlam]

Slam, I dont know what you saw, but to say Biyambo isn't all that athletic is crazy talk, especially when you look at his workout with the Bobcats...

You mean the Bobcats dunking drill? The one that he did 1 handed (by using his length)?

Watch one of the other bigs who did it two handed and how it took them more explosion - because they aren't as long as the Bitchsmacker.

Again - don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the kid. I like him. I just want to see him work on his core strength and become a top teir explosive athlete in the NBA.

Think Dwight, Blake, Amare, prime K-Mart etc.....

[BigSlam]

:D The more I see of this guy the more I like him. I agree with Crunchys observation on another thread...Put TT at 4 and BB at 5 and NOBODY will be able to score on us down low.

i love the idea of having two great shotblockers protecting the rim but lets not get too ahead of ourselves. being able to block shots is not the only thing that makes a great interior and post defender. for big men, being able to read the game, cut off lanes, rotate quickly on switches, get out on pick and rolls and most importantly not picking up stupid fouls while contesting shots is more important to overall defense success than being about to block shots or being quick.

despite all his amazing tool, tyrus still isnt a good defender. he gets out of position, he gambles on blocks when he shouldnt and he is horrible about picking out fouls. i dont want biyombo to play like tyrus.

i know chandler is a bad word in these parts, but what he did defensively for the mavs in the playoffs is what i want to see out of biyombo, except with more shot blocking. chandler anchored that defense. you can also look at guys like garnett and perkins in 2008-2010 with the celtics as an example of how defend the paint. imagine if garnett and perkins had the shot blocking skills that tyrus and biyombo have? now THAT would be deadly.

okafor was a great shotblocker but that never really translated to okafor being a great defender. he was a pretty good defender, but never great. he didnt do all the other things needed outside of blocking shots to be great.

i've kinda given up on tyrus ever being a great defender. he just doesnt seem to read the game well enough to be great. biyombo is young. he has the tools to be a force. lets hope he has the bballiq to really make him something special.

I hope Biz learns to set SICK screens too. We need to pop guys like DJA, Kemba and Hendo loose for open J's.

[TheKingofSting]

I love how BB always attacks the rim strong, he may never be a jump shooter but I think he is not as offensively challenged as some "experts" would have you believe.

[Kembastockton]

I agree, because I have seen many nba players who would score a lot more but always go for layups which are blocked or just missed. BB goes for the dunk on almost every play. That makes for a much higher percentage.

[Kembastockton]

Not likely

[penquin11]

I would say biz at 18 is more athletic then dwight at 18.

This is just patently false. Unless you're operating on some strange definiton of athletic, in no way is Bismack more athletic than an 18 year old Dwight. The 18 year old Dwight could run faster, jump higher, lift more weight, all while being slightly bigger.

Dwight definitely wasnt faster or stronger than biz is at 18, Biz is FAST, i mean FAAAST... And Biyombo is also incredibly strong, he shoved Anthony Davis around like it was easy, he nearly pushed him against the basket thing at one point... Now that stated I dont know if Biz will become the athlete that Dwight is, Dwight literally can do a free-throw line dunk (dunk contest), but we shall see.

[SWedd523]

You can't use Anthony Davis as a measuring stick (pun intended). The kid was a shooting guard last year until he grew half a foot.



That FT line dunk is a sham, he didn't dunk.

[TheKingofSting]

I agree, because I have seen many nba players who would score a lot more but always go for layups which are blocked or just missed. BB goes for the dunk on almost every play. That makes for a much higher percentage.

That's why the Ben Wallace comparison baffles me, I've never seen Big Ben attack the rack like that.

[Jaruff]

Are the players in the D League under the same CBA/union as the players in the NBA?

If not, will there still be a D League this season and if so could DJA, Kemba, Hendo, Dante, T2, DJW and Biz all play in it?

Good question. I would assume that at least some of them are (ex: former NBA players such as McCants). I wouldn't know about the other guys though.

I highly doubt players on our active roster could play in the D-League and if D-League plays this year (assuming there is a lockout), any FA playing will receive mean looks from the NBPA.

[TheKingofSting]

You can't use Anthony Davis as a measuring stick (pun intended). The kid was a shooting guard last year until he grew half a foot.



That FT line dunk is a sham, he didn't dunk.

Davis is the #1 recruit on scout, you make him sound like a scrub.

[captaincrunk]

Are the players in the D League under the same CBA/union as the players in the NBA?

If not, will there still be a D League this season and if so could DJA, Kemba, Hendo, Dante, T2, DJW and Biz all play in it?

T2 might be too old to play while under an NBA contract.

[SWedd523]

You can't use Anthony Davis as a measuring stick (pun intended). The kid was a shooting guard last year until he grew half a foot.



That FT line dunk is a sham, he didn't dunk.

Davis is the #1 recruit on scout, you make him sound like a scrub.

I know he's the #1 recruit, largely because he retained his athleticism after going through his growth spurt.


But the fact remains he hasn't bee a post player before this year so his post experience is even less than Biyombo's. Not to mention he is much less physically developed than Biyombo. Of course he's going to push him around.

[captaincrunk]

I would say biz at 18 is more athletic then dwight at 18.

This is just patently false. Unless you're operating on some strange definiton of athletic, in no way is Bismack more athletic than an 18 year old Dwight. The 18 year old Dwight could run faster, jump higher, lift more weight, all while being slightly bigger.

Dwight definitely wasnt faster or stronger than biz is at 18, Biz is FAST, i mean FAAAST... And Biyombo is also incredibly strong, he shoved Anthony Davis around like it was easy, he nearly pushed him against the basket thing at one point... Now that stated I dont know if Biz will become the athlete that Dwight is, Dwight literally can do a free-throw line dunk (dunk contest), but we shall see.

Dwight was faster than you'd think.

comparing him to DJ, one of the fastest and quickest players in the NBA, and Amare, one of the fastest big men...

DJ's lane agility is 11.27. Dwight's was 11.21. Amare was 11.19. 3/4 court sprint DJ was 3.07, and Dwight was 3.14, and Amare was 3.25. All three combined with a vert of 35 inches. That is very impressive for big men, but Dwight can now leap nearly 40 inches. He can jump almost as high as Tyrus!

For comparison, Diop was considered fairly athletic. At least not a slouch. His 3/4 court was over 3.5 with a lane agility of 12.37. Could only jump 25 inches in the air (something most non-athletes couldn't do, so it's still impressive just not for an NBA guard).

Tyson Chandler who was more athletic than Diop but less so than Howard could leap up to 33.5 inches in the air. I'd guess Bismack would land around there to be honest, with a faster 3/4 court and lane agility.

Shaq at the combine? 36 inch vertical at 7'1". That's was mind boggling to be honest. How a man at over 300 pounds could do that is just... goddamn. And his body fat was something like 14 or 12 if I remember right. Just impossibly athletic.

Bismack, I don't think he can leap more than 32 or 33 inches. His standing reach might be an inch or so longer but I won't believe his vertical would be that high until I see some evidence. If for no reason than because it is so rare, you need some kind of proof before you claim that he's more athletic than the most athletic big of our generation. Sure Tyrus can leap higher than the 18 year old dwight but dwight is bigger and actually quicker. Sure DJ is quicker but he's a foot shorter.

Simply put: There is no reason to believe Bismack is where Dwight was at 18, athletically.

EDIT: But his length more than makes up for it on the defensive end. I think he's got the potential to take away Dwight's standing claim as "best defensive center in the nba" if he plays to his potential at the NBA level. Especially if he can hold down guys on the block. Standing reach is how guys block post players. He could have one hand in the air and the other keeping busy on the block and still be pretty effective if guys tried to back him down.