Did the front office tank the draft?

[davidse]

2 months into the season, if the team is not doing extremely well or if salmons isn't playing like his old (pre contract...) self - petrie needs to be fired for this trade.

i can't even remember the last time i've seen a trade so bad you can't even defend it...

[ADoaN17]

Wow you guys are writing essays, bullet point them for me

It was about 50% for Evans, though

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=918105&start=60

The reactions in that topic are funny.

[408Kings]

Other SFs we could have possibly gone after:

AK47
Wilson Chandler
Jason Richardson
Tayshuan Prince (better defender than salmons)
Shane Battier
Grant Hill

[408Kings]

Wow you guys are writing essays, bullet point them for me

+1 lol

[OGSactownballer]

Other SFs we could have possibly gone after:

AK47
Wilson Chandler
Jason Richardson
Tayshuan Prince (better defender than salmons)
Shane Battier
Grant Hill

This has gone beyond foolish.

Of that list, Only J Rich (terribly undersized at the 3 and needs a minimum of 15-18 SPG to produce his numbers) and Chandler (A HUGE risk as he played in a contract year) are the only ones even worth shooting at and that we could get at anything down close to Salmons' salary. The rest are for a win-now team and we are just NOT THERE YET PEOPLE!

The trade on the surface doesn't lok that hot. Neither did Corliss for DC. Neither did people think much of sending out GIANT fan fave White Chocolate for bland Mike Bibby. Yet EVERY ONE of those moves contributed both subtly and significantly to a 60-win contender that if not for INJURY, may well have won two or more championships.

Don't be so quick to criticize and remember that the moves made after that era was abruptly over were powered by the Magoofs in their desperate attempt to stay relevant continuously and in their INTERFERENCE in the BASKETBALL OPERATIONS ran by one of the best GM minds in basketball.

[RIPskaterdude]

Whatever! You sound mad because people are voicing their opinion on a trade or the draft; that is what the board is for. Face it the trade was just plain bad. Look around or read around its not just people whining; almost every basketball writer thought that the Kings moves were idiotic but in your rage you couldn't even notice that I really blamed it on the Maloofs. As far as naming other players that the Kings could get; just go back and read, people have named many guys that were a better option. I myself just named Jared Dudley who plays for a team loaded with 3s. I mean come on you don't have to be Jerry West to see that this trade was useless and personally I resent you calling out people telling them to not get on the bandwagon when it is no doubt that everyone on this board wants the Kings to win but they don't have to be homers and just like everything the GM or owners do. The fact of the matter is you didn't have any facts; you were just mouthing off because the majority thought that the Kings blew it. And trust me; it was way more than just me that were happy after the last 3 drafts. Yes, I happened to like Rondo and was very angry with the Douby picked; but I am glad you mentioned Rondo because he is an excellent example of why this team will more than likely fall short of a championship unless it changes its philosophy and start to think more about defense. If they did he would be here and there would've been no need to be talking about Fredette, Knight or Walker. They could've still drafted Reke since like I already said he was always a 2 not a 1; I previously mentioned Curry or Jennings they were the PGs I like but I also like Harden but of course the lottery screwed that up. I can say one thing about Shannon Brown he is still in the league and contributed on a team that won back to back championship that is more than I can say for Douby but like I said in my post; that is ok, no GM gets it right 100% of the time. Petrie gets it right most of the time especially when it comes to offensive guys; he just doesn't put enough stock into the otherside of the ball. You are exactly right no one knows what would've happen if this player or that player was chosen instead of the actual pick but remember you opened up this can of worms by speaking for everybody or as you call them the nay-sayers And no my man I am not a complainer; I just call it like I see it whether I am a fan or not and once again you are assuming you know someone. I am far from a 1999 convert; I have been liking the Kings since I was a kid and I am 41. That means Kansas City!!! You know Reggie King, Otis Birdsong, Phil Ford and later Reggie Theus. Those Kings. And I remained a fan all the way up to now. Maybe you are talking in general again but I have never been a Laker fan and I was one of the posters on this board saying "tear it down" when Petrie was still trying to win with Bibby and Artest and Bonzi Wells and Reef. So don't talk to me about rebuilding and winning now. If Petrie wouldn't have waited so long to rebuild in the first place the team would probably be in a better place now. And I don't mean to sound like I am a Petrie basher because I am not. He is a pretty good GM; he has his faults but he is pretty good. There are a lot of things behind the scene we don't know about and I suspect that at the time the Maloofs wanted to still be competitive to secure that new arena. Just like I said in my earlier post that the Fredette pick was one made by the Maloofs. And by the way my statement wasn't about Fredette being a solid player; it was about the Kings getting a leader at the PG to run the team which will have to happen sooner of later. Thornton, is better coming of the bench as instant offense; neither he nor Reke are PGs. The KIngs need a true PG. Walker was the closest thing to that. With Knight there is some question but he is capable and has a high ceiling. Anyway, you don't have to suck to be good again if you have foresight and plan for the future correctly. You can rebuild on the fly; its been done many times before and San Antonio is doing right now but don't you think the Kings have sucked enough already? I don't think the team moved towards competing for the playoffs on Thursday; hopefully I am wrong or there are more moves. We will see but I will always voice my displeasure if I don't think a move is a good one but I will still cheer for the Kings no matter what as will any of your so called nay sayers!!!!!

Dude....use a paragraph here and now, there's no way I'm going to read that

[dozencousins]

I really , really wanted either Knight or Kemba that said all this complaining about getting Jimmer is silly to be honest here's why . At the end of the day we all want to keep the KINGS in SAC right ? DUH no doubt . The point is even if Jimmer is or isn't the ideal pick for us according to you , me or the next person it doesnt matter we need a player / players that will help sell tickets , get people talking & wanting to see . Jimmer appears to be that guy & if Jimmer can help us sell tickets I am all for it as you should be as I want to keep my beloved Kings in SAC . Thats priority # 1 .
Getting the location is every bit Huge , however being able to sell tickets this season is just as much so without doing that then the NBA would fully endorse a move as they would see our City as a losing proposition . So though I wanted 2 others also that we could have had if we stayed at # 7 I fully support the decision as I believe he will help us sell alot more tickets . Bottom line !

[Draino]

Although I like that we got rid of Beno, I really don't like the trade. Salmons is nice, but costs way too much. I like the guy, just wish he was cheaper, but who knows, he had a successful stint here, he might just be the solution at SF... As for the draft, I truly believe that Kemba Walker will be a superstar in this league, everyone always doubts him, and yet he has always proven everyone wrong. Which is exactly why I hate the trade. I wanted Kemba more than anything. Being from Las Vegas, and being a huge UNLV fan, TRUST ME, I KNOW HOW GOOD JIMMER IS! Seen the dude play a whole bunch of times in person, and he was amazing, now how that will transfer into the NBA, we will see. He could be a gem, or he could be... well, he could be the second coming of Adam Morrison. Which I really hope is unlikely.

[deNIEd]

After almost a week of the draft, my refined thoughts are...

Money wise, in the short term, the team came out on top. Jimmer will sell tickets next season, especially in the potential reduced schedule. If the league only plays around 50 games, regardless if Jimmer is a colossal bust or not, there won't be enough games to kill his hype. Team salary wise, I feel the addition of Salmons will give the Maloofs an excuse to spend less money this summer. If they bring the payroll to around $50 million or so, I feel that the Maloofs would be able to play it off as "spending" money.

Talent wise, the draft was a wash. Honeycutt was a good pickup, but the pick had no relation to the trade. Knight vs Walker vs Jimmer, I feel we got the worst of the three in terms of pure talent, but we will let time determine that. Salmons individually is a more talented player than Beno.

Fit wise, the draft was a negative. I am still unsure on how the addition of Jimmer + Salmons will affect the team's ball movement and chemistry. It goes without saying that this young roster is "sensitive" to negative distractions.


Overall, I am the most concerned about who made the move last Thursday, if it was a Maloof's move or a Petrie move. If the Maloofs told Petrie to select Jimmer, and Petrie then went out and traded down, or if the selection of Jimmer was entirely Petrie's decision. I find it slightly funny, that the majority of this board always says "trust Petrie, he knows what he's doing" before any move, and then follows it up with "Oh, it was the Maloof's forcing Petrie to make that move" afterwards if it ends up failing.

[VeeJay24]

Whatever! You sound mad because people are voicing their opinion on a trade or the draft; that is what the board is for. Face it the trade was just plain bad. Look around or read around its not just people whining; almost every basketball writer thought that the Kings moves were idiotic but in your rage you couldn't even notice that I really blamed it on the Maloofs. As far as naming other players that the Kings could get; just go back and read, people have named many guys that were a better option. I myself just named Jared Dudley who plays for a team loaded with 3s. I mean come on you don't have to be Jerry West to see that this trade was useless and personally I resent you calling out people telling them to not get on the bandwagon when it is no doubt that everyone on this board wants the Kings to win but they don't have to be homers and just like everything the GM or owners do. The fact of the matter is you didn't have any facts; you were just mouthing off because the majority thought that the Kings blew it. And trust me; it was way more than just me that were happy after the last 3 drafts. Yes, I happened to like Rondo and was very angry with the Douby picked; but I am glad you mentioned Rondo because he is an excellent example of why this team will more than likely fall short of a championship unless it changes its philosophy and start to think more about defense. If they did he would be here and there would've been no need to be talking about Fredette, Knight or Walker. They could've still drafted Reke since like I already said he was always a 2 not a 1; I previously mentioned Curry or Jennings they were the PGs I like but I also like Harden but of course the lottery screwed that up. I can say one thing about Shannon Brown he is still in the league and contributed on a team that won back to back championship that is more than I can say for Douby but like I said in my post; that is ok, no GM gets it right 100% of the time. Petrie gets it right most of the time especially when it comes to offensive guys; he just doesn't put enough stock into the otherside of the ball. You are exactly right no one knows what would've happen if this player or that player was chosen instead of the actual pick but remember you opened up this can of worms by speaking for everybody or as you call them the nay-sayers And no my man I am not a complainer; I just call it like I see it whether I am a fan or not and once again you are assuming you know someone. I am far from a 1999 convert; I have been liking the Kings since I was a kid and I am 41. That means Kansas City!!! You know Reggie King, Otis Birdsong, Phil Ford and later Reggie Theus. Those Kings. And I remained a fan all the way up to now. Maybe you are talking in general again but I have never been a Laker fan and I was one of the posters on this board saying "tear it down" when Petrie was still trying to win with Bibby and Artest and Bonzi Wells and Reef. So don't talk to me about rebuilding and winning now. If Petrie wouldn't have waited so long to rebuild in the first place the team would probably be in a better place now. And I don't mean to sound like I am a Petrie basher because I am not. He is a pretty good GM; he has his faults but he is pretty good. There are a lot of things behind the scene we don't know about and I suspect that at the time the Maloofs wanted to still be competitive to secure that new arena. Just like I said in my earlier post that the Fredette pick was one made by the Maloofs. And by the way my statement wasn't about Fredette being a solid player; it was about the Kings getting a leader at the PG to run the team which will have to happen sooner of later. Thornton, is better coming of the bench as instant offense; neither he nor Reke are PGs. The KIngs need a true PG. Walker was the closest thing to that. With Knight there is some question but he is capable and has a high ceiling. Anyway, you don't have to suck to be good again if you have foresight and plan for the future correctly. You can rebuild on the fly; its been done many times before and San Antonio is doing right now but don't you think the Kings have sucked enough already? I don't think the team moved towards competing for the playoffs on Thursday; hopefully I am wrong or there are more moves. We will see but I will always voice my displeasure if I don't think a move is a good one but I will still cheer for the Kings no matter what as will any of your so called nay sayers!!!!!

Dude....use a paragraph here and now, there's no way I'm going to read that

I know got lost in the moment.....my bad

[VeeJay24]

After almost a week of the draft, my refined thoughts are...

Money wise, in the short term, the team came out on top. Jimmer will sell tickets next season, especially in the potential reduced schedule. If the league only plays around 50 games, regardless if Jimmer is a colossal bust or not, there won't be enough games to kill his hype. Team salary wise, I feel the addition of Salmons will give the Maloofs an excuse to spend less money this summer. If they bring the payroll to around $50 million or so, I feel that the Maloofs would be able to play it off as "spending" money.

Talent wise, the draft was a wash. Honeycutt was a good pickup, but the pick had no relation to the trade. Knight vs Walker vs Jimmer, I feel we got the worst of the three in terms of pure talent, but we will let time determine that. Salmons individually is a more talented player than Beno.

Fit wise, the draft was a negative. I am still unsure on how the addition of Jimmer + Salmons will affect the team's ball movement and chemistry. It goes without saying that this young roster is "sensitive" to negative distractions.


Overall, I am the most concerned about who made the move last Thursday, if it was a Maloof's move or a Petrie move. If the Maloofs told Petrie to select Jimmer, and Petrie then went out and traded down, or if the selection of Jimmer was entirely Petrie's decision. I find it slightly funny, that the majority of this board always says "trust Petrie, he knows what he's doing" before any move, and then follows it up with "Oh, it was the Maloof's forcing Petrie to make that move" afterwards if it ends up failing.

Exactly, it will never be said right now but the Maloofs wanted Jimmer and we all know why even the ones touting his basketball abilities. it was purely for ticket sales. Petrie, knowing he had to take Jimmer didn't want to take him at #7 at did the trade but what no one knew was that Walker & Knight would still be available at #7.

[VeeJay24]

After almost a week of the draft, my refined thoughts are...

Money wise, in the short term, the team came out on top. Jimmer will sell tickets next season, especially in the potential reduced schedule. If the league only plays around 50 games, regardless if Jimmer is a colossal bust or not, there won't be enough games to kill his hype. Team salary wise, I feel the addition of Salmons will give the Maloofs an excuse to spend less money this summer. If they bring the payroll to around $50 million or so, I feel that the Maloofs would be able to play it off as "spending" money.

Talent wise, the draft was a wash. Honeycutt was a good pickup, but the pick had no relation to the trade. Knight vs Walker vs Jimmer, I feel we got the worst of the three in terms of pure talent, but we will let time determine that. Salmons individually is a more talented player than Beno.

Fit wise, the draft was a negative. I am still unsure on how the addition of Jimmer + Salmons will affect the team's ball movement and chemistry. It goes without saying that this young roster is "sensitive" to negative distractions.


Overall, I am the most concerned about who made the move last Thursday, if it was a Maloof's move or a Petrie move. If the Maloofs told Petrie to select Jimmer, and Petrie then went out and traded down, or if the selection of Jimmer was entirely Petrie's decision. I find it slightly funny, that the majority of this board always says "trust Petrie, he knows what he's doing" before any move, and then follows it up with "Oh, it was the Maloof's forcing Petrie to make that move" afterwards if it ends up failing.

Exactly, it will never be said right now but the Maloofs wanted Jimmer and we all know why even the ones touting his basketball abilities. It was purely for ticket sales. Petrie, knowing he had to take Jimmer didn't want to take him at #7 and did the trade but what no one knew was that Walker & Knight would still be available at #7.

[dozencousins]

I agree the trade is a bit puzzling still . That said I think many here are completely going off the deep end as of now about us doing the trade & picking Jimmer .
The bottom line as of now is that Petrie is not done making trades etc. I think everyone needs to at least wait to see what other moves he makes 1st before making the move as a whole to be idiotic .
Many times there is a 2nd deal down the line that will make the 1st seem more understandable .
Now we have a $hitload of small forwards / wing players as the bucks have the same in reguards to guards .
It is my belief that the move easily could have been made as protection incase we cant or dont sign Thorton though I am pretty confident we will resign him . The trade is a domino affect towards us making other trades of dealing players like Garcia , Casspi & or Green in deals .
The Spurs , Knicks & other teams want Casspi as an example who is to say we are not making a trade with either of them or another team for all we know as an example : Maybe we wanted K.LEONARD & by the Spurs trading for him who is to say they wont make a trade with us of say K.Leonard & R.JEFFERSON fOR CASSPI & SALMONS/ or GARCIA ? Not saying it will happen but who knows ?

All I am saying bottom line is that we dont know what all moves will be done between now & the season starting has not been completed yet what does not make sense might make alot more sense later . Its about putting the pieces to the puzzle . The Kings may have teams they already had players the other team wants but they have to get other pieces via trade 1st in order to complete the next deal . If I am not mistaken their is usually a grace period in alot of cases as to how long once a player is traded for before he can be traded again ?Even if the player can be traded immediatly the point is that next deal may not be fully agreed upon yet as their might be something more / less that needs to be agreed upon .Everyone including myself needs to see what our team looks like after all moves are made before calling for anyones head on the chopping block or to be fired !

[408Kings]

Of that list, Only J Rich (terribly undersized at the 3 and needs a minimum of 15-18 SPG to produce his numbers) and Chandler (A HUGE risk as he played in a contract year) are the only ones even worth shooting at and that we could get at anything down close to Salmons' salary. The rest are for a win-now team and we are just NOT THERE YET PEOPLE!

J Rich is a better player than John Salmons period. His 3pt % is higher at .395 (with 189 made) vs .379 (with 83 made). Player efficiency is higher at 15.02 vs 12.89. Are you serious about SPG? Do you not remember Salmons needing the ball in his hands to be most effective? He couldn't be effective off the bench his last stint here. And about terribly undersized, J Rich is 6-6 / 225 vs Salmons at 6' 6 / 207.

As for Chandler, look at his production in the previous years. He went from averaging 7.3 pts his rookie year to 15.3 pts last season. He's not a huge risk and we'd know what we're getting based on his body of work the last 3 years.

The team just needs better veteran presence and Shane Battier is one of many vets that can help instill that in our young team.

Don't be so quick to criticize and remember that the moves made after that era was abruptly over were powered by the Magoofs in their desperate attempt to stay relevant continuously and in their INTERFERENCE in the BASKETBALL OPERATIONS ran by one of the best GM minds in basketball.

Criticizing and questioning only leads to answers and improvement. If you stay content, you can end up with a perennial loser like the Clips.

[SacKingZZZ]

The only potential drawback with Chandler is that he looked really good in D'Antoni's system where he was playing that Shawn Marion role at PF. Could be an interesting fit at PF for the Kings too though. He can block shots and shoot, could be an interesting fit at PF in a fast paced lineup.

[408Kings]

Playing in Mike D'Antoni's system should always be taken into consideration when evaluating a player. But, he can do the things that we are asking for in a SF (shoot, defend, and rebound). I think we could have nabbed him at a fair price too.