Lockout implications

glasket · Post #1 » by **glasket** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:31 am

Being in Australia I'm a little too far removed from CBA/lockout implications.

If there is nothing agreed before 1 July what does this mean for free agency, undrafted players, team workouts?
For us specifically can our players (including George Hill) get together and play/train.
Can teams negotiate with free agents (eg McBob, Foster and others who did not play for us previously) or is it strictly hands off for everything until something is reached?

Post #2 » by **Gremz** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:38 am

After July 1 all talks will stop until a new agreement is reached. Once it has been reached then negotiations with players/teams can begin.

In other words we'll be super bored for a month or two or three or four or whatever.

Players will probably outsource to continue workouts or use independent coaches.

Training Camp will exist but will probably be after a shorter Free Agency.

Wizop · Post #3 » by **Wizop** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:29 pm

I may be way off base on this, but I think a football agreement would push a basketball agreement closer. there is a chance both will reach deals in the next few weeks. don't be surprised if basketball works out some sort of extension to push the 7/1 date back.

BKing10 · Post #4 » by **BKing10** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:51 pm

Organization cant have any contact with players. However, players can contact other players. So vet teams will have their own mini camps, conditioning sessions without coaches and have a leg up if the season is shortened. Hill would be able to workout with the team then

We would not be able to negotiate contracts, nor would we want to, until a new CBA is reached

paulgeorge24 · Post #5 » by **paulgeorge24** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:49 pm

Wizop wrote:I may be way off base on this, but I think a football agreement would push a basketball agreement closer. there is a chance both will reach deals in the next few weeks. don't be surprised if basketball works out some sort of extension to push the 7/1 date back.

I wouldnt try to relate the NBA and NFL labor agreements. They are vastly different. The NBA is in a worse spot than the NFL was before their lockout.

chube · Post #6 » by **chube** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:46 pm

^^^ True. But the NFL's situation got ugly pretty quick, even a little bit before the lockout as players were calling Goodell "gutless" and whatever else. The NBA hasn't reached that point yet...and hopefully they don't.

8305 · Post #7 » by **8305** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:56 am

I see very little similarity between the NFL and NBA. Bob Kravitz said it pretty well "the NFL is arguing over inches while the NBA owners and players are miles apart."

All parties in the NFL are making money so ultimately both sides have much to lose if they don't come to an agreement very soon. So odds are they will.

In the NBA with 22 teams losing money the majority of owners lose nothing if there is no season. And, it isn't just money. If the current systems remains in place you are heading to a day where there are 4 maybe 5 super teams while the rest are left to be quasi farm teams. There's a lot to fix and fixing it will radically change the earning power of rank and file players.

glasket · Post #8 » by **glasket** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:27 am

Another question.

If there is a lockout for the whole season and a player has a 5 year contract starting from 1 July 2011, will he now have a 4 year contract for the resumption of the next NBA season?
How does the situation change if the lockout is only for Half a season?

Post #9 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:35 am

Players are paid in full for what they are owed, I believe.

glasket · Post #10 » by **glasket** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:49 am

Miller4ever wrote:Players are paid in full for what they are owed, I believe.

Wouldn't the teams then lose a lot of money given that they have to pay players in full and not have any revenue from ticket sales, much lower merchandise, TV revenue etc...
Suppose insurnace would (maybe) cover some of the costs.

Post #11 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:37 am

I guess anything is possible as long as both parties agree to it, and there is talk of an amnesty clause where teams can get out of their worst contracts, but I think since both parties agreed at the time a contract was signed, it should be seen through.

Post #12 » by **Gremz** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:08 pm

No players are receiving money during the lockout. In fact, a number of players have already applied for loans.

If there is only half a season then they'll get paid half of their salary.

In terms of contracts, they run their current length even if there is no season. It would just be a case of this year being non existent in terms of getting paid.

Post #13 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:19 pm

Ah, that makes way more sense. That would be why people are opting out.