Is this a travel?

[bballmaniac27]

It's not a travel going by the official NBA rules, not a travel going by official FIBA rules either. Read the damned thread.

lol @ the guy saying FIBA is horrible. C'mon now, the NBA is a lot worse with traveling no calls.

[YeahBuddy]

Someone saying that FIBA is worse than the NBA when it comes to calling travels is enough reason for him to never be allowed to post on a basketball forum again.

[J1Kwon]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFYxLN5yvwg&t=47s[/youtube]

Then Dirk's one legged fade (shown at 47s in the above video) is a travel
And I know some people will argue that its different because he was in motion, but Dirk very often does his spin, pumpfakes, and then does the one-legged fade, picking up his pivot in the process.
Perfectly legal move, although it's a little counter intuitive.

[Ditchweed]

FIBA is terrible...the third step after picking up your dribble is considered acceptable, lol.

Well, to answer your statement ...

F.I.B.A. Handbook: Rules,Cases, Mechanics ... the FIBA Rulebook.

Art. 38 Dribbling Rule - Item 2.

2. The dribble is COMPLETED the instant the player touches the ball simultaneously with both hands or permits the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.

Art. 39 Travel Rule - Sect B Establishing a Pivot Foot - Item 2.

2. A player who catches the ball while MOVING OR DRIBBLING may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
-a. If ONE FOOT IS touching the floor:
--a.1. THAT FOOT becomes the pivot foot as soon as the other foot touches the floor.
--a.2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both feet, then NEITHER FOOT can be the pivot foot.

Where did you get that third step idea?

[The_ref]

This is why I never to listen to fans critsizing refs/rules, because they can´t even fathom the most basic levels.

[Rondo]

Travel.

[RichardsRival3]

Yes that is a travel

[Hyral]

It is NOT a travel, and while I don't blame you if you think it is, (because clearly it's a common misconception) you are wrong.

[The_ref]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/r ... oless.html

Look at 6:00

And if anyone ever feels like casual fan has a good grip on the rules. I´m gonna bring up this 30+ page thread.

[venky]

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/refe/p/lid_9098_newsid/46402/videoless.html

Look at 6:00

And if anyone ever feels like casual fan has a good grip on the rules. I´m gonna bring up this 30+ page thread.

Same, already bookmarked.

[jamesnamida]

lol how did this get 30+ pages

He establishes his pivot foot after the dribble is terminated ( in this case his left feet)
then he raises it to take another step with his right to go up, you clearly see him jumping with 1 leg, his right.
That is a travel.

You can't switch pivot feet after you establish one. you can't take another step after you establish your pivot feet after the termination of the dribble.
you only can jump with two feet up at the same time, or with your pivot feet (kobes left feet) to shoot or pass.


I mean just cause this and similar situations weren't called doesn't mean its not a travel. Refs usually look the other way on small violations, but it still doesn't mean its not a travel by the books.

whatever, kobe and every other player that has played in the nba has gotten away with worse.

[Black Feet]

lol how did this get 30+ pages

He establishes his pivot foot after the dribble is terminated ( in this case his left feet)
then he raises it to take another step with his right to go up, you clearly see him jumping with 1 leg, his right.
That is a travel.

You can't switch pivot feet after you establish one. you can't take another step after you establish your pivot feet after the termination of the dribble.
you only can jump with two feet up at the same time, or with your pivot feet (kobes left feet) to shoot or pass.


I mean just cause this and similar situations weren't called doesn't mean its not a travel. Refs usually look the other way on small violations, but it still doesn't mean its not a travel by the books.

whatever, kobe and every other player that has played in the nba has gotten away with worse.

It's gotten to 30 pages because people like you who don't have a clear understanding of the rules decide to post their opinions on what a travel is when the NBA rulebook clearly states it's not a travel. I suggest you read through the 30+ pages and educate yourself.

[The_ref]

lol how did this get 30+ pages

He establishes his pivot foot after the dribble is terminated ( in this case his left feet)
then he raises it to take another step with his right to go up, you clearly see him jumping with 1 leg, his right.
That is a travel.

You can't switch pivot feet after you establish one. you can't take another step after you establish your pivot feet after the termination of the dribble.
you only can jump with two feet up at the same time, or with your pivot feet (kobes left feet) to shoot or pass.


I mean just cause this and similar situations weren't called doesn't mean its not a travel. Refs usually look the other way on small violations, but it still doesn't mean its not a travel by the books.

whatever, kobe and every other player that has played in the nba has gotten away with worse.

Just look at the above link and stop posting in threads regarding rules.

[venky]

lol how did this get 30+ pages

He establishes his pivot foot after the dribble is terminated ( in this case his left feet)
then he raises it to take another step with his right to go up, you clearly see him jumping with 1 leg, his right.
That is a travel.

You can't switch pivot feet after you establish one. you can't take another step after you establish your pivot feet after the termination of the dribble.
you only can jump with two feet up at the same time, or with your pivot feet (kobes left feet) to shoot or pass.


I mean just cause this and similar situations weren't called doesn't mean its not a travel. Refs usually look the other way on small violations, but it still doesn't mean its not a travel by the books.

whatever, kobe and every other player that has played in the nba has gotten away with worse.

[jamesnamida]

Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.


I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, bit another step. That's why the sentence that follows says when the player is in the air.

[jamesnamida]

Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.


I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, not another step. That's why the sentence that follows says that if a player loses the ball while in air. While in aiir.

Furthermore all arguments are moot because this is all on the basis that he is shooting when the pviot foot is raised, as the rules state. But he clearly doesn't move his arm for a shooting motion until he takes another step, so even if I'm wrong on the rules, he wasnt shooting when he lifted his feet anyways. So travel either way.

Haven't you guys seen enough similar situations watching the nba where its been called? I have. Perhaps the referees ar interpreting it the way I do.

[Black Feet]

Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.


I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, not another step. That's why the sentence that follows says that if a player loses the ball while in air. While in air.

Haven't you guys seen enough similar situations watching the nba where its been called? I have. Perhaps the referees are looking at it the way I do.

d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

you obviously don't know what you're talking about, unless you are illiterate or have have very bad understanding of the English language then you would realize why the play is clearly not a travel.

[jamesnamida]

Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.


I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, not another step. That's why the sentence that follows says that if a player loses the ball while in air. While in air.

Haven't you guys seen enough similar situations watching the nba where its been called? I have. Perhaps the referees are looking at it the way I do.

d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

you obviously don't know what you're talking about, unless you are illiterate or have have very bad understanding of the English language then you would realize why the play is clearly not a travel.

Where inthat rule does it say that he can or cant use another feet on the ground when he raises his pivot foot? So by just strictly going by the wording, the said player can hop from his pivot feet onto the other feet and shoot before his pivot feet comes back down. Yet we all know refrees call that all the time. You have to read between the lines because the wording on the rule is so vague. Know its intent. Talk about grasping language. I think the rule is just not specific enough, it can be argued both ways, but I've seen too many refs call it a travel so i feel its intent differently.

[Black Feet]

Please present a non fiba link, as in nba. On travel the nba rule, rule 10 section 13 part e.
Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it lands back down. When that player is in the air, if he loses the ball, he can't touch it.


I think its all about syntax here, the people who are arguing that its not a travel think that because his left pivot foot didn't come down, its not a travel. However, the rule clearly is implying hat the pivot foot has to be raised for a jump, not another step. That's why the sentence that follows says that if a player loses the ball while in air. While in air.

Haven't you guys seen enough similar situations watching the nba where its been called? I have. Perhaps the referees are looking at it the way I do.

d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

you obviously don't know what you're talking about, unless you are illiterate or have have very bad understanding of the English language then you would realize why the play is clearly not a travel.

Where inthat rule does it say that he can or cant use another feet on the ground when he raises his pivot foot? So by just strictly going by the wording, the said player can hop from his pivot feet onto the other feet and shoot before his pivot feet comes back down. Yet we all know refrees call that all the time. You have to read between the lines because the wording on the rule is so vague. Know its intent. Talk about grasping language. I think the rule is just not specific enough, it can be argued both ways, but I've seen too many refs call it a travel so i feel its intent differently.

I think you need to read the thread because all this has been discussed

h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).

the rules are very clear and there is nothing vague about them.

[italianleather]

Since ppl are not convinced by real world examples, like the FIBA video posted earlier, I will post a video game example!!! Computer cannot be wrong!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaieQXcKuME[/youtube]

OMG, Garnett travels!!!! WHAT A CHEATING POS!!!!