If there's no season, does that mean no 2012 draft?

[Effigy]

I think a lot of people assume there will be a draft no matter what, but this article on espn.com makes me think that might not be the case:

Scouting prospective NBA talent also isn't allowed, sources told Bucher. For those who have sons playing in AAU summer action, such as Lakers coach Mike Brown and Hawks coach Larry Drew, that means they must leave the arena or gym as soon as their sons' games have concluded and not watch any other competition.

So if you're not allowed to scout, how can you be allowed to draft? If there's no draft, teams like the Clippers get absolutely hosed because then there's no 2012 Minnesota pick to give them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6723645

[albert]

Larry Coon takes a guess here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... FAQ-110701

If the lockout lasts an entire season, what will happen with the 2012 draft? How will the draft order be determined?
If the season is canceled and the sides come to an agreement by next June, the 2012 draft should go on as planned. The draft order will be a little tricky. There will be no season upon which to determine the order, and they can't just repeat the 2011 draft order -- that would "reward" teams twice for the same bad season in 2010-11.

The NHL was faced with this dilemma when it lost its 2004-05 season to a lockout. The league settled on a weighted lottery that included all 30 teams. The weighting was based on playoff appearances over the previous three seasons and first overall picks over the previous four seasons.

The NBA would likely adopt a similar system should the 2011-12 season be canceled. It would be a one-time occurrence -- the league would revert to its usual system the following year.

[Roger Murdock]

The NBA can't adopt the same thing the NHL did. The Cavs would pick dead last under those rules because they made the playoffs or got the number one pick every year.

[Colossal Ruvall]

Why can't the NBA adopt the same thing? The Cavs JUST HAD two of the top 4 picks. They deserve to fall in the draft a little bit.

[czarleon09]

If it is anything like the NFL then there is no draft because the draft is part of the CBA. So no CBA no draft.

[BKing10]

if they miss the season they wont have a draft until the CBA is reached and part of the CBA will explain how the 2012 draft will work. if i had to bet id say it would be like the NHL did theirs

[Blue Wolf]

If there's no draft, teams like the Clippers get absolutely hosed because then there's no 2012 Minnesota pick to give them.

I don't see a problem with that.

[tidho]

Obviously a new CBA would be in place before any draft takes place, but there will be a draft.

There is no way thay adopt exactly what the NHL did. As someone pointed out a team like Cleveland gets completely hosed. Even with 2 of the top 4 picks they still have (quite possibly) the worst roster in the game. Flip side, teams like NY and MIA weren't very good until last year and there is no way the owners agree to a system that, with luck, lands those teams the top pick.

Admittadly I'm biased as a Cavalier fan, but I think last season's results should be the basis for another lottery. Especially sinse there wasn't a huge star in the most recent draft. I think teams like Minny, LAC, and Sacramento have proven that having consecutive high picks is not some sort of magic formula that leads to completative unbalance.

Besides if there is a season does anyone not think at least eight of the bottom ten teams will be the same again anyway?

[rewill17]

if the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Heat, Mavs, Bulls win the lottery (or get a top 5 pick) in a weighted 2012 that would be scar.

[wiff]

Personally I think if there is no season they should skip the draft for a year. Most top line prospects are under classman anyway so they can just stay at school for another year. How many college seniors are going top 5 in the draft anymore?

The last one I can remember off the top of my head was Duncan and VanHorn. And they can always go play in Europe for a year.

I'd rather they skip it than some team top tier team like the Lakers or Miami get overly lucky in the draft and have an Andre Drummond land in their laps.

The amount of kids that this would truely affect by skipping the draft for a year would be around 2. Plus it would bolster the next couple of drafts with very sound talent. Obviously the best would be coming out but the kid who get drafted in the first round based on potential would get pushed into the secound round and might want to go back to school for one more year to see if they can't get that 1st round rookie contact that is guaranteed.

[Knckles]

Hopefully there will be no draft because I will hate it when last season's crap teams get something more by not doing anything other than being in the right spot at the right time.

[jjin28]

Lakers mission this year. Get Dwight via a trade somehow. Hope for lockout so Kobe can rest up all his injuries. Get the #1 pick of the 2012 draft.

[CollegeToPros]

I think a lot of people assume there will be a draft no matter what, but this article on espn.com makes me think that might not be the case:

Scouting prospective NBA talent also isn't allowed, sources told Bucher. For those who have sons playing in AAU summer action, such as Lakers coach Mike Brown and Hawks coach Larry Drew, that means they must leave the arena or gym as soon as their sons' games have concluded and not watch any other competition.

So if you're not allowed to scout, how can you be allowed to draft? If there's no draft, teams like the Clippers get absolutely hosed because then there's no 2012 Minnesota pick to give them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6723645

And the Celtics have the clippers 2012 1st round pick and its tied to the T-wolves pick. The Celtics get the worse of the T-wolves and Clips pick so how would that whole thing work?

[CollegeToPros]

Lakers mission this year. Get Dwight via a trade somehow. Hope for lockout so Kobe can rest up all his injuries. Get the #1 pick of the 2012 draft.

Problem with the missions.

lockout (goal #2 on your list for lakers) means ZERO NBA work. no front office work, no scouting, and no contact with any players (not even injured players rehabing).

Second problem, unless you are trading rested kobe, no way anyones giving up the #1 pick in this loaded draft.

[jjin28]

Lakers mission this year. Get Dwight via a trade somehow. Hope for lockout so Kobe can rest up all his injuries. Get the #1 pick of the 2012 draft.

Problem with the missions.

lockout (goal #2 on your list for lakers) means ZERO NBA work. no front office work, no scouting, and no contact with any players (not even injured players rehabing).

Second problem, unless you are trading rested kobe, no way anyones giving up the #1 pick in this loaded draft.

obviously i was joking. but at the same time, i guess you weren't reading this thread too well. The #1 pick came from a scenario if all teams had a equal chance at the lottery since a lockout season will have a undertermined draft order.

[koolkobe]

Does the cba change the lottery system? I rather it not be behind closed doors. It's just so fishy how a certain team always gets the high picks while teams like the wolves and warriors get screwed every year

[Effigy]

Obviously a new CBA would be in place before any draft takes place, but there will be a draft.

So what if the new CBA isn't agreed to until next September? If the draft date comes and goes without a CBA, there can't be a draft. If the season is canceled, it's likely that it wouldn't get settled until right before the start of the following season. Add to that the fact that teams aren't allowed to scount potential players, and I think that if there's no season next year, there won't be a draft either.

[rockymac52]

Won't there definitely be a draft, even if there's still a lockout a year from now? I know it's a different league and a different CBA, but the NFL lockout going on right now had already started and they still held the NFL Draft...

[BubbaTee]

I don't understand how there can be a draft without a CBA in place. The CBA determines who is eligible for the draft to begin with.

Without a CBA, NBA teams could draft 18 year olds.
or
Without a CBA, barring 18 year olds from entering the draft violates federal anti-trust laws.

[Parataxis]

Obviously a new CBA would be in place before any draft takes place, but there will be a draft.

So what if the new CBA isn't agreed to until next September? If the draft date comes and goes without a CBA, there can't be a draft. If the season is canceled, it's likely that it wouldn't get settled until right before the start of the following season. Add to that the fact that teams aren't allowed to scount potential players, and I think that if there's no season next year, there won't be a draft either.

If the CBA isn't signed until next September, then mid-september they'll have a draft, just before training camp starts.

The only way there won't be a draft is if two seasons get canceled. It's the only way. Even if the lockout goes into next December (for a shortened 12/13 season) they can organize a draft before it starts. It will screw with the NCAA rosters, but I can't imagine the NBA cares about that very much.