Is this a travel?

[Father Time]

So two steps is a travel now? LOL, okay. And yes, it probably would be called a travel in college because the refs there are even more incompetent than NBA refs.

[mid-post]

And yes, it probably would be called a travel in college because the refs there are even more incompetent than NBA refs.

I watch a fair amount of college ball and definitely agree with this.

[Pimpwerx]

So two steps is a travel now? LOL, okay. And yes, it probably would be called a travel in college because the refs there are even more incompetent than NBA refs.

How has this thread lasted this long? This thread should be archived for future ridicule. PEACE.

[Egg Nog]

Travel, not at all debatable, and this one is usually called. You can't establish a pivot foot and then take a step into another one. Gotta jump off two feet there.

This. Nothing more, nothing less.

That post in the first page should have ended the thread, so i wonder why it reached 35 pages??

It reached 35 pages because misinformed people keep mistakenly thinking that it's a travel and feel a need to tell the world about it. I do love the fact that deepblueday said "travel, not at all debatable" after a heated 35-page debate.

Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it (aka that same pivot foot) lands back down.

He established his left as the pivot foot, and he shot the ball before it touched the ground again. The rules also say you also can't drag your pivot foot, etc, but there is nothing about what he's doing with the other foot that would lead to a travelling violation under these conditions.

This is not a travel by NBA rules.


Edit: If anyone wants to argue otherwise, at least understand that saying something along the lines of "defs a travel" or "100% travel no argument" isn't actually very convincing.

[casey]

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

[iamworthy]

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

Huh? If you're in a stationary position and you pick up your pivot foot before you dribble the ball its an automatic travel.

[Galis4]

It reached 35 pages because misinformed people keep mistakenly thinking that it's a travel and feel a need to tell the world about it. I do love the fact that deepblueday said "travel, not at all debatable" after a heat 35-page debate.

Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it (aka that same pivot foot) lands back down.

He established his left as the pivot foot, and he shot the ball before it touched the ground again. The rules also say you also can't drag your pivot foot, etc, but there is nothing about what he's doing with the other foot that would lead to a travelling violation under these conditions.

This is not a travel, by FIBA rules or by NBA rules.

Just because you say it?
Just look 4 posts above yours to see the official FIBA rule that of course makes it a clear travelling violation(for FIBA game).

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

You are dangerous to basketball.

[Galis4]

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

Huh? If you're in a stationary position and you pick up your pivot foot before you dribble the ball its an automatic travel.

Not if you jump and release the ball before any foot touches the court.

But if you have established a pivot foot and both your feet are on the ground, then unless you jump with both feet of course, you can't move your pivot foot as you say before you release the ball.

[Egg Nog]

Just because you say it?

My mistake, I was totally incorrect about the FIBA rules, I see that only applies to the NBA.

Thanks for pointing that out, corrected.

[iamworthy]

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

Huh? If you're in a stationary position and you pick up your pivot foot before you dribble the ball its an automatic travel.

Not if you jump and release the ball before any foot touches the court.

But if you have established a pivot foot and both your feet are on the ground, then unless you jump with both feet of course, you can't move your pivot foot as you say before you release the ball.

Your post is a little confusing. Here's the bottom line, In a stationary position you have to dribble the ball before you move your pivot.

[bballmaniac27]

Now people are arguing that it's a travel by FIBA rules? Really? Honestly don't even know what to say. You guys must be expert trolls or something.

[ADoaN17]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAvXlM9kgIs[/youtube]

This was a similar type move

I thought this discussion was over, didn't expect it to go on for this long.

[iamworthy]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAvXlM9kgIs[/youtube]

This was a similar type move

I thought this discussion was over, didn't expect it to go on for this long.

That clip is way different then what we are talking about. Thats why this thread is 35pgs long, because people arent seeing the difference.

[Egg Nog]

Correct call in FIBA: I'm unsure on this one. In this case his right foot never actually left the ground until after his pivot foot, so it was touching the floor but it hadn't really "returned to the floor". Can anyone clarify this detail?

•While standing with both feet on the floor:
-To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but
neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the
hand(s).

Edit (for the 10th time, lol): Although the wording of the rulebook is a little more vague, the FIBA video describes this rule as the same as the NBA (see below). Correct call: No-call (No violation)

(Cheers bballmaniac27)
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Correct call in NBA: No-call (No violation)

Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it [his pivot foot] lands back down.

[RichardsRival3]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAvXlM9kgIs[/youtube]

This was a similar type move

I thought this discussion was over, didn't expect it to go on for this long.

That isn't a similar type of move because Evans jumps of 2 feet when he shoots.

Kobe establishes his left foot as the pivot foot, but actually jumps of 1 foot his right foot. So while he picks up his pivot foot his right foot is still on the ground.

[bballmaniac27]

Now people are arguing that it's a travel by FIBA rules? Really? Honestly don't even know what to say. You guys must be expert trolls or something.

Expert trolls or perhaps we're actually discovering minor differences between the rulebooks while everyone else argues without substance. Assuming people haven't just been fabricating the rules that they've posted on here, there is actually a fundamental difference that would apply in this exact situation (the Kobe one) which would result in the correct call being different in FIBA and NBA play.
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1.) Under FIBA rules, once your pivot foot has been lifted, you must pass or shoot before either foot returns to the floor.

Correct call in FIBA: Travelling violation.

•While standing with both feet on the floor:
-To pass or shoot for a field goal, the player may jump off a pivot foot, but
neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released from the
hand(s).

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2.) Under NBA rules, once your pivot foot has been lifted, you must pass or shoot before your pivot foot returns to the floor.

Correct call in NBA: No-call (No violation)

Once a player raises the pivot foot, he needs to pass or shoot before it [his pivot foot] lands back down.

Ridiculous.

Go back a few pages and read the damned thread. People have posted videos explaining why the move is specifically not a travel in FIBA play.

For the last time,

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/r ... oless.html

look at the damned vid. 6 min mark. It cannot be made more clear.

[Egg Nog]

For the last time,

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/r ... oless.html

look at the damned vid. 6 min mark. It cannot be made more clear.

I was heavily editing my post while you wrote that, I had already changed that part it to "uncertain" well before your post was on the board. Apologies for not editing first, I guess. Just trying to get everything clarified here, thanks for the link.

Edit: I see that it's essentially exactly the same in FIBA, cheers. Easier to interpret their video than their written rulebook.

[disoblige]

This is an up and under move. THIS IS NOT A TRAVEL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Az2H4I1v2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpa36PvtLYc

[bballmaniac27]

For the last time,

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/r ... oless.html

look at the damned vid. 6 min mark. It cannot be made more clear.

I was heavily editing my post while you wrote that, I had already changed that part it to "uncertain" well before your post was on the board. Apologies for not editing first, I guess. Just trying to get everything clarified here, thanks for the link.

Edit: I see that it's essentially exactly the same in FIBA, cheers. Easier to interpret their video than their written rulebook.

No worries. The wording in the rulebook is definitely confusing. I can see why there's a huge debate over this now. Just a little frustrated because people don't seem to be reading the thread.

[casey]

What people don't understand is that picking up a foot NEVER is a travel. Without reading through every page I'm going to guess those who say it's a travel will say something like "he picked up his pivot foot" or "he changed his pivot foot". His left foot was his pivot foot, and it never hit the ground once he picked it up. Now it looks kinda unnatural and it looks like he's moving more than he should be able to. But it's absolutely 100% not a travel.

Huh? If you're in a stationary position and you pick up your pivot foot before you dribble the ball its an automatic travel.

We're talking about after you pick up the dribble.