Is this a travel?

[Egg Nog]

No worries. The wording in the rulebook is definitely confusing. I can see why there's a huge debate over this now. Just a little frustrated because people don't seem to be reading the thread.

Yeah, man I wish I actually saw the 6:00 mark before and spared the embarrassment, but ironically enough (and you can see this going back through the last few pages) it was reading through the thread that first sent me off-course. I first said it was not a travel in FIBA or the NBA, which is correct, then someone instructed me to "read the thread", pointing me to the confusing rulebook and claiming it WAS a travel under FIBA rules. Then someone (you) instructed me to "read the thread", pointing me to the video. After going over both, obviously the video makes the better case.

Regardless, from the sound of it our ambitions are pretty much the same in this thread. I just want people to get it straight (myself included) and stop posting crap like "obvious travel" or "100% textbook travel" without even making an effort to learn the rules of a game. We all care enough about this game to waste time on the internet talking about it, it figures that's the least most people could do.

Ah well, haha...

[Black Feet]

Ridiculous.

Go back a few pages and read the damned thread. People have posted videos explaining why the move is specifically not a travel in FIBA play.

For the last time,

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/expe/r ... oless.html

look at the damned vid. 6 min mark. It cannot be made more clear.

Thank You. realgm never ceases to amaze me.

[Egg Nog]

Thank You. realgm never ceases to amaze me.

Chill dude. Neither of us was spewing unsubstantiated BS about it being a travel, we were both trying to get it right, which is ultimately what happened. I assume since you read the thread you saw that there was a misleading discrepancy between the FIBA rulebook and the FIBA video. As it turns out, despite the NBA and FIBA rulebooks being worded very differently, it's the same call under both (aka not a travel, which is what I'd said all along apart from being unsure in the case of the wording in the FIBA rulebook).

If you've got a problem with people doing research and honestly trying to break down the reality of a call, I'd love to hear what you think about the endless guys saying "100% travel, no question".

[Black Feet]

Thank You. realgm never ceases to amaze me.

Chill dude. Neither of us was spewing unsubstantiated BS about it being a travel, we were both trying to get it right, which is ultimately what happened. I assume since you read the thread you saw that there was a misleading discrepancy between the FIBA rulebook and the FIBA video. As it turns out, despite the NBA and FIBA rulebooks being worded very differently, it's the same call under both (aka not a travel, which is what I'd said all along apart from being unsure in the case of the wording in the FIBA rulebook).

If you've got a problem with people doing research and honestly trying to break down the reality of a call, I'd love to hear what you think about the endless guys saying "100% travel, no question".

lol I'm very chill, I was thanking him for the video evidence. The people saying "100% travel, no question" is the reason why I said realgm never ceases to amaze me at least you took the time to review the rules.

[The_ref]

This is frikkin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). No really. And you guys wanna know why? Because games aren´t officiated out of what is says in the rulebook. I´ve tried to explain this concept several times and this is why casual fans just don´t understand officiating.

Games are officiated out of interpretations of what the rulebook states.

What does that mean? Well basically, you can´t take a single paragraph from the rulebook and think that you can apply it on a youtube-clip and it´s the truth.

Go to the FIBA-page I posted earlier and watch through the instructional clips, it´ll be really educational for 99% of the posters here.

[disoblige]

This is frikkin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). No really. And you guys wanna know why? Because games aren´t officiated out of what is says in the rulebook.

They are, but they can't because people are humans. Humans have limitations and make mistakes.. But it is officiated through the rulebook.

You can't make your own rule.

[jamesnamida]

omg how'd this thread get to almost 40+ pages...
its clearly a travel



lets try to get this to 100 pages

[blacktopking319]

^ and so it begins again hopefully everyone will ignore you

[TheKingofSting]

Very much so

[Black Feet]

Very much so

LOL, I see the trolls have reverted back to 1 liners because all their arguments have been proven false.

[Rondo]

How could this not be a travel? He clearly lifted up his pivot then the other.

[TheKingofSting]

Very much so

LOL, I see the trolls have reverted back to 1 liners because all their arguments have been proven false.

Not a troll at all, he moved both feet, one of them had to be his pivot foot therefore it's a travel.

[Black Feet]

Very much so

LOL, I see the trolls have reverted back to 1 liners because all their arguments have been proven false.

Not a troll at all, he moved both feet, one of them had to be his pivot foot therefore it's a travel.

You clearly decided to post without reading the thread because it has been explained a million times why it's clearly not a travel. Read the thread then get back to me with a legitimate argument.

[Black Feet]

How could this not be a travel? He clearly lifted up his pivot then the other.

Read the thread, it has been explained in detail why it's not a travel.

[roldy]

Man, whenever I played pickup ball people used to call travel on me every time I did this move.

When I got into reffing, I called a travel every time someone did it just because I was under the impression everyone who called it a travel on me was correct.

Now I'm going to 1) do this move all the time again 2) never blow the whistle when I see this move again.

[yaaar]

Wow some people are so dumb. It's so CLEARLY a travel. The rulebook clearly states that if you see a move and it looks too complicated to understand quickly with a high school education that it should be called a travel 100% of the time.

[JustMagic]

I accidently found this clip of Kobe doing the same move in FIBA cmpetition:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBt_9t57F-0[/youtube]

Wow some people are so dumb. It's so CLEARLY a travel. The rulebook clearly states that if you see a move and it looks too complicated to understand quickly with a high school education that it should be called a travel 100% of the time.

I started off by "noooo, not again!!!" but then you made me laugh
However, to be fair, that wasn't the real problem for most of the people that got it wrong. They were apparentley missled by their coaches.

[Resinate]

If you guys watch closely you can see that his pivot foot is still BARELY touching the ground when his other foot goes up for the layup.


Making it not a travel.

[JustMagic]

If you guys watch closely you can see that his pivot foot is still BARELY touching the ground when his other foot goes up for the layup.


Making it not a travel.

Ohh please... go back a few pages and watch the rules clip. You CAN jump off the non pivot foot alone, as long as the pivot foot does not touch back the ground before releasing the ball.

If what you say is the case. then refs will have to review replays of most plays to see in what mili-second the foot leaves the ground and call it a travel or not.