How about a Trade Value debate? (ALL PLAYERS)

Krapinsky · Post #1 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 1:24 am

It's slow goings here during the lockout, so I thought one way to pass the time would be to do a trade value big board. We'll do it just like my mock forum drafts.

Rules:
1. First to 5 or Best of 10 -- whichever comes first.
2. Contracts matter. Both length and Size of the deal. Moreover, assume that there are no extensions given at the time of the trade. Thus, e.g. Chris Paul might have less trade value than Kyrie Irving because of Paul's impending free agency.

Here is a resource for contract info:

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm

Krapinsky · Post #2 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 1:27 am

Any unsettled issued before we get this started??

My vote:

1. Lebron James (1)

cpfsf · Post #3 » by **cpfsf** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 1:50 am

Is this overall value, or how we value that player? A player like Dwight would become a one year rental here, but something more for a big market contending team.

[RCG] · Post #4 » by **[RCG]** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 2:14 am

1. Blake Griffin

Krapinsky · Post #5 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 3:00 am

cpfsf wrote:Is this overall value, or how we value that player? A player like Dwight would become a one year rental here, but something more for a big market contending team.

See Rule 2.

Krapinsky wrote:2. Contracts matter. Both length and Size of the deal. Moreover, assume that there are no extensions given at the time of the trade. Thus, e.g. Chris Paul might have less trade value than Kyrie Irving because of Paul's impending free agency.

Breakdown777 · Post #6 » by **Breakdown777** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:43 am

1. Lebron (1), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (1)

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 6:08 am

1. Lebron (2), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (1)

He's the most marketable player in the NBA - the kid if a gold mine that transcends the sport.

dunkonu21 · Post #8 » by **dunkonu21** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 7:11 am

1. Lebron (2), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (1) Durant (1)

Foye · Post #9 » by **Foye** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 7:25 am

1. Lebron (2), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (2), Durant (1)

jade_hippo · Post #10 » by **jade_hippo** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 7:26 am

1. Lebron (2), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (3) Durant (1)

Devilzsidewalk · Post #11 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 9:38 am

soon to be free agent agent Dwight has more pull than locked up Lebron? no wai !

1. Lebron (3)

Yes We Kahn · Post #12 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 11:29 am

1. Lebron (4), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (3) Durant (1)

mandurugo · Post #13 » by **mandurugo** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 3:10 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:soon to be free agent agent Dwight has more pull than locked up Lebron? no wai !

1. Lebron (3)

What if the new CBA limits his salary making him the best deal to come along in a basketball generation for the team that signs him? For a team that covets him and thinks they can resign him this escalates his value I think...

1. Lebron (4), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (4), Durant (1)

Narf · Post #14 » by **Narf** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 3:26 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:soon to be free agent agent Dwight has more pull than locked up Lebron? no wai !

Wai

1. Lebron (4), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (5), Durant (1)

MNRunLeft · Post #15 » by **MNRunLeft** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:02 pm

I widdled it down to LeBron, Durant and Rose but taking current level of play, age and contracts into consideration I'll go Durant who is locked up though the 15/16 season and a pretty reasonable pricetag for a superstar.

Krapinsky · Post #16 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:30 pm

mandurugo wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:soon to be free agent agent Dwight has more pull than locked up Lebron? no wai !

1. Lebron (3)

What if the new CBA limits his salary making him the best deal to come along in a basketball generation for the team that signs him? For a team that covets him and thinks they can resign him this escalates his value I think...

1. Lebron (4), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (4), Durant (1)

It's trade value. The team that thinks they can resign him would have little guarantee that they could. (See Rule 2).

Not sure how Dwight is top 5 considering his soon to be free agency status, let alone #1.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:33 pm

Who says no to a Durant - Howard deal first? Orlando knowing that they might lose Howard in free agency or OKC knowing that they would have to give up one of the best young talents in the game that is locked up for several years for the same risk of losing Howard to NY or LA.

It's not even debatable. OKC says no first.

Narf · Post #18 » by **Narf** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:49 pm

I have Durant #2, but let's put this my logic into context
With todays CBA, let's say Shaq 10 years ago is in the same situation as Dwight. He's the most dominant player in the league, the ONLY dominant center left, and you know you can build a championship team around him.
There is no answer for Dwight, and the fact that Gilbert effing Arenas is the 2nd best player on his team is why he can't win a ring in Orlando and he knows it.

I think Dwight is the best player in the league by a large margine because of his position. On a 2 v 2 you can argue for a LeBron or a Durant, but not as much in the NBA. And I personally don't buy into any of the garbage about players not wanting to play in Minnesota, especially since players don't say that (they say they don't want to play in Milwaukee, both start with M so maybe that's why people get confused). I would take the chance on Dwight Howard, and take back Gilbert's contract to do so. Although, realistically, I would make him guarantee that player option to do so.

mandurugo · Post #19 » by **mandurugo** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 6:09 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
mandurugo wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:soon to be free agent agent Dwight has more pull than locked up Lebron? no wai !

1. Lebron (3)

What if the new CBA limits his salary making him the best deal to come along in a basketball generation for the team that signs him? For a team that covets him and thinks they can resign him this escalates his value I think...

1. Lebron (4), Griffin (1), Dwight Howard (4), Durant (1)

It's trade value. The team that thinks they can resign him would have little guarantee that they could. (See Rule 2).

Not sure how Dwight is top 5 considering his soon to be free agency status, let alone #1.

I just see the possibility for the KG situation all over again, trading for a player who's guaranteed a high salary when the cap might be fundamentally changed could be disastrous (Durant at 15, 16, 18, 19 is some serious cash - not Joe Johnson serious, but it's way up there). There's certainly a risk that Howard won't resign with the team that trades for him, which could also be disastrous. But I would still gamble half the team to get Howard, I wouldn't do it for Durant.

Krapinsky · Post #20 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:03 pm

mandurugo wrote:
I just see the possibility for the KG situation all over again, trading for a player who's guaranteed a high salary when the cap might be fundamentally changed could be disastrous (Durant at 15, 16, 18, 19 is some serious cash - not Joe Johnson serious, but it's way up there). There's certainly a risk that Howard won't resign with the team that trades for him, which could also be disastrous. But I would still gamble half the team to get Howard, I wouldn't do it for Durant.

There's no gamble involved with Durant (or Lebron or Blake Griffin, etc.). That's the point.