Starting from scratch draft (29th pick)

deNIEd · Post #21 » by **deNIEd** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 5:02 pm

DickVitale wrote:This better be a snake format or we're screwed lol.

Wow. Considering our top two player haven't been picked yet, if we're screwed in this draft, how freakin' screwed are we in real life.

Website · Post #22 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:28 pm

I'll go with Cousins.

Post #23 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 8:32 pm

We're not going to build a win-now team with that draft position. Joe Johnson is probably the best player left, but he's not going to take us anywhere, so I think we should go young. I'm thinking Demarcus.

I was thinking Bogut (if healthy), but he's not going to be the anchor he is now with Westphal coaching instead of Skiles.

Post #24 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 9:24 pm

We should go young BUT we would not want to create another situation like we have now in Sac. Randolph is probably the best guy on the board 20/12 guy.

dozencousins · Post #25 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jul 7, 2011 9:27 pm

1ST I seriously doubt we would be 29th . I am sure we would get a top 1st - 8th pick .
Anyways with whats left Cousins to me makes the most sense you need in most cases outside of Kobe , Lebron & WADE need to start your franchise with a solid - really great big man or a point guard that is great .

Tyreke makes no sense to me as his feet issues are to serious for the long haul .

In the end I doubt their will ever be a draft like this .

cman55 · Post #26 » by **cman55** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:32 am

Do you guys value cousins higher than andrew bynum...if its that important to take a big man i'll take bynum with the 29th pick any day

Website · Post #27 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:55 am

cman55 wrote:Do you guys value cousins higher than andrew bynum...if its that important to take a big man i'll take bynum with the 29th pick any day

Hell yes. Bynum hasn't shown he can stay healthy, and even then I think Demarcus ends up as the better player. Cousins offensive game is already light years better than Bynum's. Bynum is the better defensive player but it's not good enough to warrant taking him ahead of Cousins' who's defense only got better through the season.

SacTown Kings · Post #28 » by **SacTown Kings** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 12:56 am

Lol at Houston picking Hayes over any of the other players left. No way Hayes goes in the first round. But I'd go with Gordon at the 29th and Cousins w/the 32nd pick if he is still available, if not then maybe Tyreke.

Website · Post #29 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 1:25 am

I feel like Curry was a reach for Phoenix, the Hayes pick is just hilarious, and it's a bit ironic that Boston picked Kobe.

YC42Balla · Post #30 » by **YC42Balla** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 3:15 am

Man, I'm tired of debating about the 29th pick. Give me Adam Morrison!!

DickVitale · Post #31 » by **DickVitale** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 5:37 pm

IMO we should take zach with our 29th pick - arguably the best PF in the league last season. Then with our next pick we take either Joe Johnson(2) or Gordon(3) (ps. Both gordon + johnson recieved significant injuries last year.. which is another reason I give the edge to Zach). I have a feeling cousins will still be available in the 3rd round. I think cousins is going to be great, but I also gotta take into account that most on this borad are die hard kings fans and we might be valueing Cousins more than fans on other teams will.

Post #32 » by **City of Trees** » Fri Jul 8, 2011 11:25 pm

where can i find the thread where this is taking place?

OGSactownballer · Post #33 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:12 am

This scenario possibility ran through my mind as I was reading about the players going overseas empty threat.

What if the owners busted it all down and chartered a completely new league and called a draft for all eligible guys. The thing I don't get here is why the hell we'd have the 29th pick? If anything we should be somewhere near the top or there should be a lottery to start a snake draft.

deNIEd · Post #34 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:26 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:This scenario possibility ran through my mind as I was reading about the players going overseas empty threat.

What if the owners busted it all down and chartered a completely new league and called a draft for all eligible guys. The thing I don't get here is why the hell we'd have the 29th pick? If anything we should be somewhere near the top or there should be a lottery to start a snake draft.

Why would we possibly be at the top?

What makes us deserve a top pick over any other team?

City appeal? No. Ticket Sales? No. Good Ownership? No. Talent level? No.

If there was a completely new draft, we would be at the end. Although, this thread really makes me depressed at how sh***y our team is. Even on a King's board, where we probably overrate our players more than any other team in the league, we are talking about how "screwed" we are by having the 29th pick and our two best players haven't even been drafted? What chance do we ever have in becoming good, if Cousins/Tyreke aren't even in the top 28 players worth starting a franchise around.

Sacramento_King · Post #35 » by **Sacramento_King** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:15 pm

deNIEd wrote:If there was a completely new draft, we would be at the end. Although, this thread really makes me depressed at how sh***y our team is. Even on a King's board, where we probably overrate our players more than any other team in the league, we are talking about how "screwed" we are by having the 29th pick and our two best players haven't even been drafted? What chance do we ever have in becoming good, if Cousins/Tyreke aren't even in the top 28 players worth starting a franchise around.

I'd be cool starting a franchise with Evans at 29 and DMC at 32 if available. Both are still young and have talent. Surround them with good role players a la the Rockets with Dream (and no, I'm not comparing DMC to Hakeem) who can play defense and hit outside shots and let them grow. I cant believe people are talking about Zach Randolph. A couple years ago, all around here was hollow stats and troublemaker, and now people would start there franchise with him. Wow

Website · Post #36 » by **Nicky Nix Nook** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:32 pm

deNIEd wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:This scenario possibility ran through my mind as I was reading about the players going overseas empty threat.

What if the owners busted it all down and chartered a completely new league and called a draft for all eligible guys. The thing I don't get here is why the hell we'd have the 29th pick? If anything we should be somewhere near the top or there should be a lottery to start a snake draft.

Why would we possibly be at the top?

What makes us deserve a top pick over any other team?

City appeal? No. Ticket Sales? No. Good Ownership? No. Talent level? No.

If there was a completely new draft, we would be at the end. Although, this thread really makes me depressed at how sh***y our team is. Even on a King's board, where we probably overrate our players more than any other team in the league, we are talking about how "screwed" we are by having the 29th pick and our two best players haven't even been drafted? What chance do we ever have in becoming good, if Cousins/Tyreke aren't even in the top 28 players worth starting a franchise around.

IMO Derrick Williams, J. Smith, Hayes, Irving, and Rondo over Cousins and Tyreke are at least debatable.

SacKingZZZ · Post #37 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:05 am

I said it when he was in high school, I'll say it now, DeMarcus Cousins, if he works at it, can become a "great" player.

Sure it's all potential right now splayed out on nothing more than paper, but the Kings are LOADED!!! After watching some games from the start of last season and looking at what this roster could look like coming this next season? Watch out NBA! At least in terms of talent, and it it doesn't fit, the great thing about talent is that it always has a value and the ability to be changed out for need.

Krimzen · Post #38 » by **Krimzen** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:17 pm

I'd take Joakim Noah or DeMarcus Cousins. Good centers are just so darn hard to find, and both of those bring it in spades. Different styles though, so it depends on what sort of team I would intend to put around them and how confident I was in Cousins moving forward.

I can see the argument for guys like Bogut, Gordon, Randolph, and Evans as well though. None of those are bad options.

DickVitale · Post #39 » by **DickVitale** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:22 pm

deNIEd wrote:
DickVitale wrote:This better be a snake format or we're screwed lol.

Wow. Considering our top two player haven't been picked yet, if we're screwed in this draft, how freakin' screwed are we in real life.

Just because they're still left in the draft doesn't mean we'd be able to pick them both up. If it were not a snake, we'd really only have the chance to grab one of them with no gaurentee that the other one would be available towards the end of the draft.

But it just stands to reason that the lower in the draft order you are - the worse off you are. You're talking about 28 other teams picking ahead of us, they're going to have first pick at all that talent.

YC42Balla · Post #40 » by **YC42Balla** » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:07 pm

DickVitale wrote:
deNIEd wrote:
DickVitale wrote:This better be a snake format or we're screwed lol.

Wow. Considering our top two player haven't been picked yet, if we're screwed in this draft, how freakin' screwed are we in real life.

Just because they're still left in the draft doesn't mean we'd be able to pick them both up. If it were not a snake, we'd really only have the chance to grab one of them with no gaurentee that the other one would be available towards the end of the draft.

But it just stands to reason that the lower in the draft order you are - the worse off you are. You're talking about 28 other teams picking ahead of us, they're going to have first pick at all that talent.

I believe what he meant by: "we're screwed in life," is the fact that 27 other teams passed up on both of our star players; in other words meaning: are we really this bad that 27 other teams wouldn't want to acquire our players in the first round players?

Anyways, that's how I interpreted it. Either way, it's a moot point; our players are still really young and undeveloped.