Iman Shumpert's Enigma

[TrueWarrior]

Relative to most SGs, yes?

Hes 6'5.5'', 220 pounds, has a 6'10 wingspan, benched 185 18 times, along with having the best vertical at the combine. I dont see how hes undersized relative to most SGs at all. In fact he should be able to guard a lot of SFs without a problem. Think T-Will.

Last time Mike D had a defensive minded pg who couldnt shoot, he was benched then sent to Boston. Mike D is an arrogant, clueless man. He'll end up benching Iman Shrumpert just like he benched RAjan Rondo in Phoenix.

Ha didnt you trade him at the draft, along with every other draft pick you had around that time, cuz Sarver is a cheap bastid? Good thing Dantoni was the deciding vote for Shumpert then. Believe you me I've seen the mustached maestro's doghouse in full force too many times. He really seems like to like Iman though, has hinted he may get to start if he impresses, and believes his shot will pick up. Iman is already putting up 1000 shots a day. His bad shooting has more to do with shot selection.

Rondo also never shot 80% from the FT line like Shumpert did. He will get better.

When you think about it if there is ever a player who should improve his shot its Shumpert. From his recent lights out pre-draft workouts, already good FT shooting, solid/quick shooting mechanics, playing with 2 other All Stars, and being under a coaching staff whose been notorious for improving jumpers over the years... Iman has all the aspects to become at least an average shooter sooner than later.

[knicksfan84]

Relative to most SGs, yes?

Joe Johnson- 6'7
Ray Allen- 6'5
Corey Maggette- 6'6
Keith Bogans- 6'5
Anthony Parker- 6'6
Deshawn Stevenson- 6'5
Aaron Affalo- 6'5
Richard Hamliton- 6'7
Monta Ellis- 6'3
Kevin Martin-6'7
Paul George-6'8
Eric Gordan- 6'3
Kobe Bryant- 6'6
Tony Allen- 6'4
Dwayne Wade- 6'4
Stephen Jackson- 6'8
Wesley Johnson- 6'7
Anthony Morrow- 6'5
Marco Belinelli- 6'5
Landry Fields- 6'7
Thabo Sefolosha- 6'7
Jason Richardson- 6'6
Jodie Meeks- 6'4
Vince Carter- 6'6
Wesely Matthews- 6'5
Tyrek Evans- 6'6
Manu Ginobili- 6'6
Demar Derozen- 6'7
Raja Bell- 6'5
Jordan Crawford- 6'4

14 out 30 starting SGs are 6'5 or less. If Iman starts over Landry Fields, then 50% of the starting SGs will be 6'5 or less, so it seems to me, he is averege height.

[Curtis Lemansky]

I still think Faried would have been a better pick. You use him 12-14 mpg off the bench as Amare's back-up and another 8-10 mpg in small ball line-ups. I think he would be very valuable as an energizer/rebounder off the bench for 20-24 mpg. And that would be pretty decent value at pick 17 in a weak draft.

[TrueWarrior]

TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
A team w/ Kenneth Faried, Mardy Collins, Dustin Salisbery, Guy-Marc Michel, Demonte Harper nearly lost to a team w/ all Penn players.
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TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
If Faried couldn't dominate in a summer league against a team full of former and current Penn players, how's he gonna do well in the NBA?
10 hours ago

TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
Maybe Faried could've grabbed more rebounds, I don't know. But offensively he is so limited. Can't shoot at all, not even free throws.
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TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
Kenneth Faried played in the Delco Pro-Am League tonight. Very unimpressive. Played most of the game, had 4 pts, 6 reb. That's it.
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Take from this what you will, but I dont think Faried is going to be any good. Id rather go with a guard who has a chance to develop into a starter down the line.

[#1 pick]

Much better talent than an actual player but since the NBA is talent based, he should fit right in. He is a lot like Joe Dumars.

[#1 pick]

The Knicks have had success drafting players with more talent that far greater than where they are at today.
David Lee
Wilson Chandler are prime examples

Iman fits that boat. When those two came out of college, they were really raw but talented. Now Lee is making 100 mil and Chandler is a good player.

LOL, what undrafted rookie has more potential, better yet what rookie that was drafted outside of the lottery has more potential than Iman?

[countryboi]

why did you ask what people thought about Iman Shrumpert when you clearly have your mind made up?

[WhatsaTDot]

Relative to most SGs, yes?

Joe Johnson- 6'7
Ray Allen- 6'5
Corey Maggette- 6'6
Keith Bogans- 6'5
Anthony Parker- 6'6
Deshawn Stevenson- 6'5
Aaron Affalo- 6'5
Richard Hamliton- 6'7
Monta Ellis- 6'3
Kevin Martin-6'7
Paul George-6'8
Eric Gordan- 6'3
Kobe Bryant- 6'6
Tony Allen- 6'4
Dwayne Wade- 6'4
Stephen Jackson- 6'8
Wesley Johnson- 6'7
Anthony Morrow- 6'5
Marco Belinelli- 6'5
Landry Fields- 6'7
Thabo Sefolosha- 6'7
Jason Richardson- 6'6
Jodie Meeks- 6'4
Vince Carter- 6'6
Wesely Matthews- 6'5
Tyrek Evans- 6'6
Manu Ginobili- 6'6
Demar Derozen- 6'7
Raja Bell- 6'5
Jordan Crawford- 6'4

14 out 30 starting SGs are 6'5 or less. If Iman starts over Landry Fields, then 50% of the starting SGs will be 6'5 or less, so it seems to me, he is averege height.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here but according to Draftexpress, there are 4 guys on that list that are shorter than Shumpert.

[deepblueday]

why did you ask what people thought about Iman Shrumpert when you clearly have your mind made up?

I have no real opinion on the guy, he could easily turn into a very good player, I just think it's just great how thorough and efficient we fans are at rationalizing opinions which clearly stem from nothing more than our own bias and optimism.

I dont see why Shumpert isnt just as good a prospect as Singleton, Brooks, Faried, or Motie, and hes arguably the best fit for my Knicks

Because you know had the Knicks ended up drafting any one of those other players, dude would still be arguing Shumpert as a big time talent and the best possible fit. No chance a very similar thread would have existed, but with a different name in the title.

[JamesNaismith]

Enigma!?

Nothing's confusing....Iman won't be anything more then a bench warmer lol.

[TrueWarrior]

why did you ask what people thought about Iman Shrumpert when you clearly have your mind made up?

I have no real opinion on the guy, he could easily turn into a very good player, I just think it's just great how thorough and efficient we fans are at rationalizing opinions which clearly stem from nothing more than our own bias and optimism.

I dont see why Shumpert isnt just as good a prospect as Singleton, Brooks, Faried, or Motie, and hes arguably the best fit for my Knicks

Because you know had the Knicks ended up drafting any one of those other players, dude would still be arguing Shumpert as a big time talent and the best possible fit. No chance a very similar thread would have existed, but with a different name in the title.

I didnt love any player who was left at 17 much, especially the forwards like Faried and Singleton. Youd see no rationalizing from me if we picked one of them because I just wouldnt have liked the pick. The guys I would have chosen were Shumpert or Brooks. Maybe Motie. I was warming up to Shumpert a lot weeks before we picked him, so its not just because hes a Knick now that Im backing him up. There wasnt a true BPA pick available to us, and Iman is just as good a prospect as any left at a position of need.

By all means give your 2 cents on the kid, thats why I created this thread, but alot of you just dont know much about the Knicks' position. Ive spelt it out enough.

[Ruzious]

Are you asking for an opinion or are you campaigning?

By all means I want opinions, but I can tell when posters have no clue about the Knicks since they talk the same ish over and over. Im making a case for Iman, and you're free to make one against as long as you actually understand the Knicks' situation a little.

The only way I can see somebody not liking the Shumpert pick is if they think hes clearly a couple steps below Singleton and Faried or whoever. I dont think he is, and when you factor he would actually get playing time it was a no brainer in the end.

If you're expecting Shumpert to ever be a starter... I'm not sure there's a basis for a reasonable conversation. Singleton and Faried are far better players, and they are outstanding defenders. A decent coach can find a way to get them minutes. Dallas just won an NBA championship while giving significant minutes to 3 different PGs.

[TrueWarrior]

Are you asking for an opinion or are you campaigning?

By all means I want opinions, but I can tell when posters have no clue about the Knicks since they talk the same ish over and over. Im making a case for Iman, and you're free to make one against as long as you actually understand the Knicks' situation a little.

The only way I can see somebody not liking the Shumpert pick is if they think hes clearly a couple steps below Singleton and Faried or whoever. I dont think he is, and when you factor he would actually get playing time it was a no brainer in the end.

If you're expecting Shumpert to ever be a starter... I'm not sure there's a basis for a reasonable conversation. Singleton and Faried are far better players, and they are outstanding defenders. A decent coach can find a way to get them minutes. Dallas just won an NBA championship while giving significant minutes to 3 different PGs.

How are Singleton and Faried far better players? They're all athletic and strong players who excel at defense/rebounding, but I would say Shumpert has the most promise as an offensive player with his ball handling, passing, FT shooting, and slashing ability. Singleton cant make a layup or a FT. Hes basically just good for spotting up a little bit. Hes only 8 pounds heavier than Shumpert, only averaged 1 more rebound than Shumpert, and shot lower from inside the arc. While Faried might as well not even play on offense, and there are many questions whether hell be a good defender or not.

Im not expecting Shumpert to start right away, but is it really so out of the question for him at some point this season? Did you expect Landry Fields to start and make the All Rookie team this year? Did you expect him to become a 40% 3 pt shooter? Did you expect Wilson Chandler to develop as well as he has? Or Trevor Ariza? Did you expect guys like Melo, Lee, Fields, Wilson, Shawne Williams, and Bill Walker to become sharp shooters under Dantoni? Not to mention all the shooting he and his staff improved in their Phoenix days. Why cant Shumpert do the same? He has more athletic tools than any of them, and could end up starting sooner than later on his D alone.

Dallas got away with playing 3 PGs b/c Kidd could guard SGs and they had really good size with Tyson/Haywood. The Knicks werent going to pick another undersized/tweener forward unless that player was clearly on another level than Shumpert. They obviously didnt think Singleton or Faried was. If we did end up taking one of those guys most of youd be saying "Where will they play? Did they really need ANOTHER forward?"

[Kenyon009]

She's just trying to justify the pick now. Listen up TW, Donnie drafted Fields and Douglas with last first rounders this being the highest pick he's used with the Knicks yet...you know something goods up If you wanna build up hype for him just go to our board. Iman isn't well known so asking average NBA fans isn't going to be of much use as they don't understand the Knicks needs and such. The typical answers you will get are we should've taken Brooks, Faried, or Singleton fact is we took someone of need who could be the BPA and has sky high potential.

[SKR]

I think he will be an OK player in the league - nothing too special but won't hurt you either,
BUT I really don't get why everyone keeps saying that he has PG skills - because he does not!

[Ruzious]

By all means I want opinions, but I can tell when posters have no clue about the Knicks since they talk the same ish over and over. Im making a case for Iman, and you're free to make one against as long as you actually understand the Knicks' situation a little.

The only way I can see somebody not liking the Shumpert pick is if they think hes clearly a couple steps below Singleton and Faried or whoever. I dont think he is, and when you factor he would actually get playing time it was a no brainer in the end.

If you're expecting Shumpert to ever be a starter... I'm not sure there's a basis for a reasonable conversation. Singleton and Faried are far better players, and they are outstanding defenders. A decent coach can find a way to get them minutes. Dallas just won an NBA championship while giving significant minutes to 3 different PGs.

How are Singleton and Faried far better players? They're all athletic and strong players who excel at defense/rebounding, but I would say Shumpert has the most promise as an offensive player with his ball handling, passing, FT shooting, and slashing ability. Singleton cant make a layup or a FT. Hes basically just good for spotting up a little bit. Hes only 8 pounds heavier than Shumpert, only averaged 1 more rebound than Shumpert, and shot lower from inside the arc. While Faried might as well not even play on offense, and there are many questions whether hell be a good defender or not.

Im not expecting Shumpert to start right away, but is it really so out of the question for him at some point this season? Did you expect Landry Fields to start and make the All Rookie team this year? Did you expect him to become a 40% 3 pt shooter? Did you expect Wilson Chandler to develop as well as he has? Or Trevor Ariza? Did you expect guys like Melo, Lee, Fields, Wilson, Shawne Williams, and Bill Walker to become sharp shooters under Dantoni? Not to mention all the shooting he and his staff improved in their Phoenix days. Why cant Shumpert do the same? He has more athletic tools than any of them, and could end up starting sooner than later on his D alone.

Dallas got away with playing 3 PGs b/c Kidd could guard SGs and they had really good size with Tyson/Haywood. The Knicks werent going to pick another undersized/tweener forward unless that player was clearly on another level than Shumpert. They obviously didnt think Singleton or Faried was. If we did end up taking one of those guys most of youd be saying "Where will they play? Did they really need ANOTHER forward?"

You want opinions - it's just that you refuse to listen to them. Bringing up 1,000 irrelevant points doesn't change the issue. All you had to do was watch Shumpert actually play. I'm an ACC fan, so I've seen plenty of him and Singleton. Singleton is clearly and demonstrably the better basketball player. And he's big enough to defend a lot of NBA PF's. A good coach can mix and match with him to make him effective with NY's roster to give them much needed defense. The same goes for Faried. Shumpert is awful, and he's proven that year after year. He's very physically gifted, but he's got a very poor BBIQ. New York screwed up by picking him - mistakes happen, believe it or not. That's my opinion based on actually watching the players.

[Charsace]

Are you asking for an opinion or are you campaigning?

By all means I want opinions, but I can tell when posters have no clue about the Knicks since they talk the same ish over and over. Im making a case for Iman, and you're free to make one against as long as you actually understand the Knicks' situation a little.

The only way I can see somebody not liking the Shumpert pick is if they think hes clearly a couple steps below Singleton and Faried or whoever. I dont think he is, and when you factor he would actually get playing time it was a no brainer in the end.

If you're expecting Shumpert to ever be a starter... I'm not sure there's a basis for a reasonable conversation. Singleton and Faried are far better players, and they are outstanding defenders. A decent coach can find a way to get them minutes. Dallas just won an NBA championship while giving significant minutes to 3 different PGs.

You calling Faried an outstanding defender shows that you are posting nonsense. Faried isn't a good defender at all. His only value right now is rebounding. He's gonna get killed in the post. Iman is on the same level as Singleton as a prospect. The difference is that one plays sf and the other plays sg.

[TrueWarrior]

How are Singleton and Faried far better players? They're all athletic and strong players who excel at defense/rebounding, but I would say Shumpert has the most promise as an offensive player with his ball handling, passing, FT shooting, and slashing ability. Singleton cant make a layup or a FT. Hes basically just good for spotting up a little bit. Hes only 8 pounds heavier than Shumpert, only averaged 1 more rebound than Shumpert, and shot lower from inside the arc. While Faried might as well not even play on offense, and there are many questions whether hell be a good defender or not.

Im not expecting Shumpert to start right away, but is it really so out of the question for him at some point this season? Did you expect Landry Fields to start and make the All Rookie team this year? Did you expect him to become a 40% 3 pt shooter? Did you expect Wilson Chandler to develop as well as he has? Or Trevor Ariza? Did you expect guys like Melo, Lee, Fields, Wilson, Shawne Williams, and Bill Walker to become sharp shooters under Dantoni? Not to mention all the shooting he and his staff improved in their Phoenix days. Why cant Shumpert do the same? He has more athletic tools than any of them, and could end up starting sooner than later on his D alone.

Dallas got away with playing 3 PGs b/c Kidd could guard SGs and they had really good size with Tyson/Haywood. The Knicks werent going to pick another undersized/tweener forward unless that player was clearly on another level than Shumpert. They obviously didnt think Singleton or Faried was. If we did end up taking one of those guys most of youd be saying "Where will they play? Did they really need ANOTHER forward?"

You want opinions - it's just that you refuse to listen to them. Bringing up 1,000 irrelevant points doesn't change the issue. All you had to do was watch Shumpert actually play. I'm an ACC fan, so I've seen plenty of him and Singleton. Singleton is clearly and demonstrably the better basketball player. And he's big enough to defend a lot of NBA PF's. A good coach can mix and match with him to make him effective with NY's roster to give them much needed defense. The same goes for Faried. Shumpert is awful, and he's proven that year after year. He's very physically gifted, but he's got a very poor BBIQ. New York screwed up by picking him - mistakes happen, believe it or not. That's my opinion based on actually watching the players.

So you actually dont have any points backing your argument up besides "I saw them play. Shumpert is awful and stupid." Good to know. I forgot Im talking to an NBA scout. I'll be glad to hear your opinion when you actually show a decent one.

I know all about GTech not winning this year and underachieving last year with Favors and Lawai, but you cant put that all on Iman. Hewitt was a terrible coach, and rightfully got fired. Iman performed much better in wins versus losses, and had some truly amazing games. See his triple (almost quadruple) double against Virginia Tech while completely shutting down Malcolm Delaney, and his 30 pts against UNC in a win.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm7FxEsiG0[/youtube]

Ive seen all 3 guys play myself, and they are all on the same level as prospects. Shumpert is a damn good defender himself, arguably as good as Singleton. Lets not prop up Singleton and Faried as something greater than they are. They were taken 18th and 22nd in a weak draft. And you still dont want to accept theyd have no playing time unless Amare sees significant time at center, which we dont want to do anymore.

[vincecarter4pres]

I do believe that some undrafted free agents have more potential than he does.

Name one, so I can laugh at you.

David Lighty.

[gswhoops]

Iman Shumpert is a basketball god. Easily the steal of the draft. I expect to see him dropping 120 points a night while holding the other team to zero by defending all 5 players by himself.

Happy now?