Jeff Green + Delonte West + 2012 Clippers Pick for Al

[erudite23]

I believe that Al Jefferson is worth more to other teams than to us. He's a terrible fit for our schemes--and don't give me the "Corbin is new, how do we know what schemes he'll use" line, this is the Utah **** Jazz and Corbin is going to use the flex offense and ball movement principles that we've always relied upon, even if he chooses to emphasize some different aspects than Jerry did--and is a bad defender.

On a team with a great team concept defensively and that uses more isos and draw-and-kick stuff than we do, and who can surround him with 3 or 4 good shooters, he makes a lot more sense. He's insanely good at limiting TOs, he's still a solid rebounder, though no longer a dominant one, and can create shots on his own. Those are traits to be valued. I just think that with his contract number and the fact that he is perceived as a losing player, that his trade value will never be that high with us. He could look great for Boston, Dallas, OKC, Orlando, etc, but he isn't going to bring a ton of value back for us in a trade. Something like this is exactly the best case we can hope to get. And I'd do it now. He's not a part of future, whether Kanter pans out or not.

[eLo]

I believe that Al Jefferson is worth more to other teams than to us.

Big Al is only sure thing that we have in our front court so he is worthed as much for us as for other teams.

Since when did Al become worth Granger or even Green? Last I saw, he was gotten for cap space and late firsts... Granger surely has much more value than that, and so does Green IMO.

dont laugh out of that sentence, this guy explain that last time when he saw Big Al was when he was traded to Jazz, that explain why in his loony opinion Al is not worthed neither Granger or Green Or maybe he think that player value is defined only by what was given for him when he was traded, but if so what with those drafted players

Jefferson doesn't address their biggest issue, a true defensive center, so I don't know how much interest they even have.

well fu*k C's needs what we care about, it sound like we have to deal Al with them

Seriously that deal have no sens for us, we dont need Green cuz we have Sap who is similar but still better player with good contract.

[schneiderjazz]

Since when did Al become worth Granger or even Green? Last I saw, he was gotten for cap space and late firsts... Granger surely has much more value than that, and so does Green IMO. Plus, Jazz are getting the Clippers 2012 pick (which is only top TEN protected, meaning if their end of lottery you still get a 11-14 pick).

This is a very good deal for the Jazz IMO, because it clears a gut, gets help at a position of need (ie. wing) and also a decent draft pick.

Your not getting much better than this for Al, infact I believe this is definitely overpaying from a Boston POV. I'd assume JO(expiring)/Bradley/filler/Lac 1st/3mil would be all Boston is willing to hand over for his services (because they could have gotten him if they really were interested for much cheaper from Minny). They might even throw in their own first, but I really don't see them giving Green up here. Jefferson doesn't address their biggest issue, a true defensive center, so I don't know how much interest they even have.

That is a terrible logic. Green was traded for Perkins. Is Al worth less than Perkins? Carter was traded to NJ for crap. Was he worth crap? Camby was traded for a 2nd rounder to the Clips. Was he worth only that? Lebron was signed and traded to Miami. So is he only worth 2 late 1st rounders now?
Not many teams could have offered the TPE the Jazz offered to the Wolves. Minny got exactly what they wanted.
I think Green and the Clips first is good value for all. But I think you're selling him short. He's definitely worth Green and close to being worth Granger.

[erudite23]

Points well made. The ability to take THAT big of a contract off of somebody's books without giving anything back, or has been at times, a very valuable asset by itself. The fact that someone took a player that Minny really didn't want on their team and who was getting near-max money and had to send almost zero $$ back in return was an amazing deal for Minny. That doesn't happen very often.

[JMillott]

Lets not forget that Sota and David Kahn screwed the pooch by trading Al Jefferson while his value was down after a season in which he returned early from a major knee injury that is well known to require two years to fully recover from.

Sure they wanted cap space and late first round picks that will have little to no impact on their team so that they could make room to pay Darko Millic and Nikola Pekovic at center instead because in some crazy world Jefferson was the problem?

When they brought in an out of shape Darko Millic late the season before the team actually did show some improvement but it was by way of Jefferson playing with Millic not Love playing with Millic that they showed any improvement.

Flynn-Brewer-Gomes-Jefferson-Millic posted a positive +/- in 166 minutes does any one really think that credit goes to Flynn?Brewer?Gomes?Millic? Yet they had to deal Al Jefferson to make room for Millic who had played horribly with Love?

I'm a Celtics, Wolves and Jazz fan who became a Wolves and Jazz fan via Al Jefferson trades. I can't think of a player who has caught more crap for things that really weren't his fault then Al Jefferson.

The guy has spent almost his entire career playing center next to undersized PF's or playing with stiffs when he has been able to play PF. His second year as a pro he got killed for not being able to play through pain when the Celtics missed that he had a broken ankle and thought he was unable to play through a sprain. His third year when he played outstanding basketball on a team that was openly tanking and destroyed by injury he didn't get his full due.

Then people openly ignored that the Wolves biggest mistake in the KG for Jefferson trade was that they allowed the Celtics to dump all their trash on them in that deal. How do you give up KG without dumping Jaric while taking Telfair, Gomes, Gerald Green and Ratliff? That is what doomed the deal for Sota and paved the way for the 08 title, they swapped Jefferson for KG and opened up spots for Eddie House, James Posey and Leon Powe.

How does Al Jefferson get crap for McHale and company being too dumb to insist on Tony Allen over Gerald Green or Glen Davis or Leon Powe over Ryan Gomes in a deal where they give up a Hall of Famer still in their prime? Does anyone believe that trade doesn't work out had they drafted Noah over Brewer that summer?

If i'm a Jazz fan (which I am a quasi one anyway) i'd be pretty damn pissed if the Jazz traded big Al Jefferson before seeing how it works out with Favors and Kanter. It could very well prove that Jefferson can play with either of them and that they can't play with each other or that one of them simply can't play.

I know i'd rather see them deal a Paul Millsap before an Al Jefferson because Millsap's contract and proven ability to make a difference off the bench should be easier to move and you know for sure what he is and what he isn't. You don't have to fear Millsap being a legit 24/12 guy if he gets the right role and players around him.

I can't believe they didn't try and make a Millsap/Harris offer to Denver for Felton and either Afflalo and or Chandler.

[Hoops Addict]

I can't believe they didn't try and make a Millsap/Harris offer to Denver for Felton and either Afflalo and or Chandler.

Yeah .....would say that was a decent trade idea.


OP- I would agree to a trade with the principle parts giving Jefferson for Rondo.

RONDO is great.....Utah would get their long term solution for point guard.

[The59Sound]

I'd much rather have Harris than Felton. As for a Rondo/Jefferson deal, the city of Boston would never, ever forgive the Celtics front office for such a move.

[eLo]

I'd much rather have Harris than Felton. As for a Rondo/Jefferson deal, the city of Boston would never, ever forgive the Celtics front office for such a move.

Rondo for Jefferson that would be the really bad trade for Jazz. I like Rajon but give a credit to his teammates and coaches for what his stats look like. In Utah Rondo would be worse pg than Harris is now at least imo.

[imjustsaying]

Rondo is 25 yr old a two time all star, three time all defensive team the last two recent years being included in the first team all defensive. We can only trade him for a Deron, D12 or CP3 type of deal. Would you be interested in Ray Allen instead?

[The59Sound]

Rondo is 25 yr old a two time all star, three time all defensive team the last two recent years being included in the first team all defensive. We can only trade him for a Deron, D12 or CP3 type of deal. Would you be interested in Ray Allen instead?

Ray's a top 100 all-time player (that's probably too conservative; I'd have to sit down and think about it), but he's at the end of his career. We wouldn't have any use for him.

eLo: it certainly helps having that kind of talent to pass to, but you can't deny that he has excellent court vision. I'd take him over Harris in a heartbeat (and I quite like Devin).