Joakim's future.

[Air Poohdini]

Hey guys, I was just curious about everyones opinion of Joakim Noah. If he has another season of injury do we start accepting the idea of trading him? I say this because of the 4 seasons we've had together he's been healthy for two of those, and his first year he wasn't really doing much anyways. Of course I bring this up because of all the reports of Jo's old ankle problems coming back just recently.


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[Red Larrivee]

And then if Noah gets healthy with a new team, then what? You just traded an all-star caliber center in a panic move. Players can get healthy, unless they have a chronic injury. Noah doesn't, so just give him time to reach full strength

[Air Poohdini]

And then if Noah gets healthy with a new team, then what? You just traded an all-star caliber center in a panic move. Players can get healthy, unless they have a chronic injury. Noah doesn't, so just give him time to reach full strength

The point is what would be our options if Joakim doesn't get healhy, I'm not thinking about some future that hasn't happened yet, I'm basing this on how his health has been somewhat of an issue on two of his past four seasons.

[Red Larrivee]

Your options are starting worse players at center. Noah's not going to be missing games like this for the rest of his career, he's going to be healthy. And when he's healthy...he's really good.

[MF Doom]

Trade him for who?

[pduh01]

I' am going to answer your question in a while but I will say this keep Joakim Noah and be patience let him get healthy only trade him if it's one of the deal you can not refuse(aka Dwight Howard.) The only player that should be concern about the player's future with the matter of his health is Carlos Boozer and no this isn't a bash of Carlos Boozer alone. The only thing bash to him is his lack of trying to play defense & hustle and not give anything else(scoring, rebounding, good passes that kind of stuff.)

Now moving let say that Noah doesn't get healthy that will be hard to find someone with good value in return. He is what 25 right now correct? Say the next four years that he never stay healthy keep getting injured either we are stuck with, wait for someone to give a no can't refuse type of deal to trade him which his healthy it may lower his value much more, or get what you can in return rather it's dumping salary or getting a big contract in return.

Of course as I say above let's be patience, let him heal, and he be ready to go. Also with the injury I do not think it's the ankle injury that slowly heal while it is possible it might be the ankle since big guys take longer to heal with ankle injuries than a small guy. But I think it might be more on the thumb than the ankle injury.

[kodo]

Hey guys, I was just curious about everyones opinion of Joakim Noah. If he has another season of injury do we start accepting the idea of trading him? I say this because of the 4 seasons we've had together he's been healthy for two of those, and his first year he wasn't really doing much anyways. Of course I bring this up because of all the reports of Jo's old ankle problems coming back just recently.

If Jo is injured for most of the next season after being injured a good deal of this year, you won't get anything back at that point.

It's the same situation as Luol Deng before and Boozer now. If they're injured, they're close to worthless. They're only tradeable when they're proven healthy and capable of contributing.

And if Jo is healthy, considering he's a center, it's going to take a hell of a trade to make that worthwhile....basically a better center or superstar; both of which are exceedingly unlikely.

[unc1120]

(Not trying to make this an Ellis threat) but this is exactly why I was angry the Bulls won't part with Noah in exchange for Monta Ellis.

Asik is a starting caliber center in this league even if he remains sub par on offense. His defense has proven to be excellent. While he doesn't have Noah's ability to guard 3 positions, we are in a rare position in that we have Taj Gibson who can also guard multiple positions.

Noah does not have chronic injuries, but he is more proven in the department of getting injured, than he is in producing big numbers for an extended period of time.

So those of you that claim its unfair to call him injury prone can't try and claim he's an all star center. You can't have it both ways.

Rose/Ellis/Deng/Boozer/Asik is just so much better than the team we are putting out right now its pathetic. Easy championship.

I go to school on the west coast now, and ellis is nuts good.

[Godzilla039]

(Not trying to make this an Ellis threat) but this is exactly why I was angry the Bulls won't part with Noah in exchange for Monta Ellis.

So you would of traded Noah to replace him with a guy who since we drafted him has torn knee ligaments, broken his collarbone and leg all while playing far less minutes?

[TeamMan]

We had a similar discussion in an earlier thread, but IMO Noah is a (much) better version of Tyson Chandler.

And like TC, Noah will one day be the starting center on a championship team. We hope, of course, that it will come sooner rather than later.

But also like TC, Noah needs to play with a stretch-4 in order to be able to focus on his strengths (post-play, defending multiple positions, passing, running the court for easy baskets).

That's why selecting Mirotic makes Gar/Pax look like geniuses.

Now if we can get a SG in next years' draft we'll be set for years to come.

[Air Poohdini]

We had a similar discussion in an earlier thread, but IMO Noah is a (much) better version of Tyson Chandler.

And like TC, Noah will one day be the starting center on a championship team. We hope, of course, that it will come sooner rather than later.

But also like TC, Noah needs to play with a stretch-4 in order to be able to focus on his strengths (post-play, defending multiple positions, passing, running the court for easy baskets).

That's why selecting Mirotic makes Gar/Pax look like geniuses.

Now if we can get a SG in next years' draft we'll be set for years to come.

Well put.

[Red Larrivee]

But also like TC, Noah needs to play with a stretch-4 in order to be able to focus on his strengths (post-play, defending multiple positions, passing, running the court for easy baskets).

That's why selecting Mirotic makes Gar/Pax look like geniuses.

Neither Chandler or Noah's strength is post play. They're energetic, defensive garbagemen. Nothing wrong with that, but that type of player doesn't need to play next to anybody in particular to succeed.

Everyone's life will be easier next to Dirk though, especially with a hall of fame passer like Kidd feeding you the rock. I think Noah needs more of that from Rose, and at the same time someone needs to teach Noah how to roll to the basket. Far too often will he set a pick and pop for whatever reason.

[TeamMan]

But also like TC, Noah needs to play with a stretch-4 in order to be able to focus on his strengths (post-play, defending multiple positions, passing, running the court for easy baskets).

That's why selecting Mirotic makes Gar/Pax look like geniuses.

Neither Chandler or Noah's strength is post play. They're energetic, defensive garbagemen. Nothing wrong with that, but that type of player doesn't need to play next to anybody in particular to succeed.

Everyone's life will be easier next to Dirk though, especially with a hall of fame passer like Kidd feeding you the rock. I think Noah needs more of that from Rose, and at the same time someone needs to teach Noah how to roll to the basket. Far too often will he set a pick and pop for whatever reason.

This was also covered in the previous thread...

Noah can shoot a high % hook-shot with either hand. He can also put the ball on the floor and beat most centers off the dribble. But if the other team's PF is waiting in the paint to double-team (something that a stretch-4 would prevent), he's forced to pass the ball.

Still, Noah is one of the best interior passing centers in the league, and got a lot of dunks for both Booz and Taj by attracting double-teams.

So, if opposing teams respect his post-game by doubling up on him, then I think that it has to be one of his strengths. But no team is going to do anything special to stop him from firing up a 15-ft jumper.

[alucryts]

We had a similar discussion in an earlier thread, but IMO Noah is a (much) better version of Tyson Chandler.

And like TC, Noah will one day be the starting center on a championship team. We hope, of course, that it will come sooner rather than later.

But also like TC, Noah needs to play with a stretch-4 in order to be able to focus on his strengths (post-play, defending multiple positions, passing, running the court for easy baskets).

That's why selecting Mirotic makes Gar/Pax look like geniuses.

Now if we can get a SG in next years' draft we'll be set for years to come.

Well put.

I echo that. The Mirotic pick looks excellent in that light. He is exactly what we need if he turns out to be what he is projected to be.

[tclg]

Love Noah would rather have him than boozer. I think he is coming into his own as a player

[Red Larrivee]

This was also covered in the previous thread...

Noah can shoot a high % hook-shot with either hand. He can also put the ball on the floor and beat most centers off the dribble. But if the other team's PF is waiting in the paint to double-team (something that a stretch-4 would prevent), he's forced to pass the ball.

The issue with though is that none of this is a strength of Noah or a situation the team offensively wants to be in. I get the whole "spacing" thing, but the way people talk about Noah inside, is like he's Al Jefferson or somebody. The Bulls don't run anything for Noah and don't need to. They need him to play without the ball for the most part. He doesn't need a specific type of player next to him in order to do that. He just needs to do him. The whole spacing thing with him and Boozer is so overblown without people realizing that similar frontcourts have the same success. Noah/Boozer have just been too injured to have any rhythm or chemistry together.

One of the general long-term issues though with Noah is his style of play. When you're a player whose game relies completely on energy and hustle and you aren't widely skilled, you're prone to a lot of inconsitency. It's the same problems Tyson Chandler faced in Chicago.

Still, Noah is one of the best interior passing centers in the league, and got a lot of dunks for both Booz and Taj by attracting double-teams.

So, if opposing teams respect his post-game by doubling up on him, then I think that it has to be one of his strengths. But no team is going to do anything special to stop him from firing up a 15-ft jumper.

See the passing part is cool. That's an offensive play I can live with from Noah. High low action. Him and Boozer both can do that well and I think we saw that for some stretches of the season.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Can we stop saying "Asik" and "starting caliber center" in the same sentence?

[kingkirk]

Who will want a busted up centre with years to boot?

[bullsnewdynasty]

T Chandler had 2 injury filled years in a row before this past season, same as Joakim. Give Joakim a shot this upcoming year to stay healthy before you call him injury prone.

[SoulEater7]

I think they should have dealt him for Melo LOOKING BACK and I was on the ''keep Noah here bandwagon'' but I think I was wrong.