OT: Muslim shooting victim tried to stop shooter's execution

[mugzi]

Nice story, bad responses.

Yep.

I wasn't trying to bait anybody here. Perhaps I should have known better. The shooter, a self-described "real American," goes on a shooting rampage killing multiple victims, just because of their heritage. Shooter gets found guilty and sentenced to death-penalty (which I don't believe in) and Muslim victim who survives files court petition to save his life.

You just never - I mean NEVER - hear of that kind of compassion amongst, yes, so-called "real Americans." If this had just been another senseless rampage against some non-Muslim "Americans," they would have been selling tickets to the execution like it was a Saturday children's' matinee at the local movie theater.

Especially, in light of all the anti-Muslim protests and mosque-burnings, I thought this was a remarkable story about compassion, religion, forgiveness, etc.

I guess others here don't quit see it the same way.

Even Stevie Wonder could see your agenda.

Thats exactly what you meant to do. You think everyone on this board thinks Islam isn't a problem? Maybe in your far left world, but nationwide there's more people that see Islam for what it is than for what you want people to believe it is.

There are INSTANCES ALL THE TIME where someone forgives their attacker or the killer of their loved one and makes a plea of leniency on their behalf. And believe it or not, many of those people aren't Muslim, in fact they're Christians, Jews, Hindus or even atheists.

So why post this story if YOU DIDNT HAVE AN AGENDA????


Yoiu're a liar, I mean a lawyer, and you're obviously not very good at either.

[mugzi]

Here this took me 30 seconds to pull up on Google.

According to Wingo, you never hear about this kind of "compassion" amongst real Americans, and certainly not among non Muslims or those evil Christians.

Funny, I guess now we have heard about this kind of compassion. And once again Wingo, you've been owned. I detest when people lie to advance an agenda and you opened up a can of W.A. that you're not closing until you leave here defeated as usual.

Family of murder victim forgives killer and accomplice
Updated: Friday, March 07, 2008, 8:39 PM
By Gwen Filosa, The Times-Picayune

Presenting him with a Bible signed by the family of the woman he helped kill three years ago in Lake Vista, the victim's daughter in court Friday told a convicted murderer that she forgives him.
After all, the daughter said, that's what her mother, the slain 70-year-old Myra Centanni Mehrtens, taught her.
"Mr. Foreman, this is for you," Sharon Giambrone said to Nathan Foreman from the witness stand, holding up a brand-new copy of the Bible, with a personal message to him from the family. "Jesus said, 'I am the way.' It says to Nathan, keep your eye focused on Jesus. Seek him. Our prayers are with you."
Foreman was 18 when he drove the getaway car after his friend Jonathan Bailey, then 19, fired a single fatal gunshot into Mehrtens' neck.
On Friday at Orleans Parish Criminal District Court, 21-year-old Foreman was sentenced to the state's mandatory punishment for second-degree murder: life without the chance of parole. But first, he heard a statement from the victim's family and received their gift.
Assistant District Attorney Tanya Faia passed the Bible to the defense attorneys, who placed it on the table in front of Foreman.
"I pray for you every Sunday," said Giambrone, who three years ago rode in the ambulance as medical technicians worked on her bleeding mother as a priest sat watch. "And my family prays for you each time we think of you, because, Nathan, you have a choice."

[Jmonty580]

And thats why making generalizations and using words like NEVER always through you under the bus.

[ComboGuardCity]

Both parties in this thread are wrong. Generalizing a group is ridiculous. They're good people and bad people and no race or creed is excluded. Yeah, there are muslim terrorist, but there's also people like Timothey Mcveigh. There's people like the guy in this article and there are people of various backgrounds donating kidneys, bone marrows, organs to absolute strangers. There is no "Real American." If you're living in this country, you are most likely an American citizen, making you an American. Guess what, everyone immigrated here at one time or another, which by the way what America was founded upon. It doesn't matter if you're great great grandfather was a farmer in the midwest. It doesn't make you a "Real American." Regardless of if you've been here your entire life, or for three months, you are entitled to everything every other American is entitled too.

[tuckerfor3]

People, probably like you, who go around slapping each other on the back and claiming to be "real Americans" are the douche bags, son. You wouldn't know a real American if he smacked up upside the head with a 2x4.

People like me? You know nothing about me. You however, are clearly a bigoted punk, as evidenced by your routine, ridiculous, obsessive, grievance-mongering.

[Jmonty580]

Both parties in this thread are wrong. Generalizing a group is ridiculous. They're good people and bad people and no race or creed is excluded. Yeah, there are muslim terrorist, but there's also people like Timothey Mcveigh. There's people like the guy in this article and there are people of various backgrounds donating kidneys, bone marrows, organs to absolute strangers. There is no "Real American." If you're living in this country, you are most likely an American citizen, making you an American. Guess what, everyone immigrated here at one time or another, which by the way what America was founded upon. It doesn't matter if you're great great grandfather was a farmer in the midwest. It doesn't make you a "Real American." Regardless of if you've been here your entire life, or for three months, you are entitled to everything every other American is entitled too.

Pretty much. Its just that these terrorist groups are way more organized than the looney Christians. I remember a few nights ago I was watching cops and this guy was nuts and claiming that God wanted him to kill this little girl and himself. He tried and was stopped. Stuff like that happens all that time its just not as well organized on the Christian side imo. Either way it doesnt matter to me. There are nut jobs everywhere and people who are easily influenced to do wrong in the name of what is supposed to be good. I dont know enough about Islam but i wouldnt imagine that their scripture says to kill people of other religions. Some people however Im sure take that scripture and twist it to say that and kill in honor of thier God. Just like people take the bible and twist it to say whatever they want it to say. Someone told me (a Christian) that he is a God because the bible says it, and it does, lol but he misunderstands the context in which the term is used. So he walks around calling himself a Christian and a God, which sounds kinda stupid when you think about it. A lot less innocent than those that kill, but same point.

[Bigmo5246]

wow, all muslims are not extremists?

What a shock

Both the OP and mugzi are in the same boat.
Get some muslim friends for christ's sake.

abort thread.

mugzi is an idiot. plain and simple. And I;m not just saying it because I'm muslim. He has no clue about what this religion is about.

[Jmonty580]

This thing is heating up lol.

Where is the popcorn gif?

[mugzi]

Both parties in this thread are wrong. Generalizing a group is ridiculous. They're good people and bad people and no race or creed is excluded. Yeah, there are muslim terrorist, but there's also people like Timothey Mcveigh. There's people like the guy in this article and there are people of various backgrounds donating kidneys, bone marrows, organs to absolute strangers. There is no "Real American." If you're living in this country, you are most likely an American citizen, making you an American. Guess what, everyone immigrated here at one time or another, which by the way what America was founded upon. It doesn't matter if you're great great grandfather was a farmer in the midwest. It doesn't make you a "Real American." Regardless of if you've been here your entire life, or for three months, you are entitled to everything every other American is entitled too.

No your wrong. Mcveigh WAS NOT A christian, nor did he belong to any church or was he part of some right wing faith based organization. He was an anarchist and a sociopath, plain and simple.

And thats the default argument that people on the left try to use when defending Islamofascism, and trying to equate Christianity with it. Timothy McVeigh. Well you and they are wrong, because McVeigh was a killer who wasn't killing for any other reason than to kill. No holy book, no religious leader incited him, he didnt learn about vile infidels in school.


Yes if you live in this country legally, you are an American. If you love this country, respect its laws and dont try to impose your own sharia law, you're an American and welcome here. If you don't receive military training overseas for your jihad or belong to a sleeper cell, than you belong here.

But don't come in here acting like any of what I just mentioned isn't FACTUAL, because it is.

And when they try to do dirt in this country and the streets are on fire, what are you going to do?

Are you going to run or fight?

Some men die like men, others live like cowards.


I have two Muslim friends and Ive had many debates with them about Islam. They are moderates, and they actually feel the same way I do about extremists and they agree that there is an inherent problem within the religion that promotes extremism.

Now where we disagree is on the validity of their prophet, but that's immaterial for the sake of this discussion.

[mugzi]

wow, all muslims are not extremists?

What a shock

Both the OP and mugzi are in the same boat.
Get some muslim friends for christ's sake.

abort thread.

mugzi is an idiot. plain and simple. And I;m not just saying it because I'm muslim. He has no clue about what this religion is about.

Yes I know exactly what this religion is about putz. And why don't you enlighten me about the religion of peace?

Oh and nice avatar from such a pious Muslim. {Hypocrite cough cough}

Answer these questions or RAISE UP.

Are Christians or Jews allowed into Mecca? And what are the reasons besides bigotry for this decision?

Are young boys trafficked in Afghanastan and other parts of the middle east for the pleasure of middle aged men?

Are people still stoned and beheaded for violating Sharia?

Why are so many acts of violence committed by extremists in the name of the religion of peace?
Suicide bombings? Burning of churches? Murder of homosexuals?


Dont worry LITTLEsmo, I'll wait.

[ComboGuardCity]

Both parties in this thread are wrong. Generalizing a group is ridiculous. They're good people and bad people and no race or creed is excluded. Yeah, there are muslim terrorist, but there's also people like Timothey Mcveigh. There's people like the guy in this article and there are people of various backgrounds donating kidneys, bone marrows, organs to absolute strangers. There is no "Real American." If you're living in this country, you are most likely an American citizen, making you an American. Guess what, everyone immigrated here at one time or another, which by the way what America was founded upon. It doesn't matter if you're great great grandfather was a farmer in the midwest. It doesn't make you a "Real American." Regardless of if you've been here your entire life, or for three months, you are entitled to everything every other American is entitled too.

No your wrong. Mcveigh WAS NOT A christian, nor did he belong to any church or was he part of some right wing faith based organization. He was an anarchist and a sociopath, plain and simple.

And thats the default argument that people on the left try to use when defending Islamofascism, and trying to equate Christianity with it. Timothy McVeigh. Well you and they are wrong, because McVeigh was a killer who wasn't killing for any other reason than to kill. No holy book, no religious leader incited him, he didnt learn about vile infidels in school.


Yes if you live in this country legally, you are an American. If you love this country, respect its laws and dont try to impose your own sharia law, you're an American and welcome here. If you don't receive military training overseas for your jihad or belong to a sleeper cell, than you belong here.

But don't come in here acting like any of what I just mentioned isn't FACTUAL, because it is.

And when they try to do dirt in this country and the streets are on fire, what are you going to do?

Are you going to run or fight?

Some men die like men, others live like cowards.


I have two Muslim friends and Ive had many debates with them about Islam. They are moderates, and they actually feel the same way I do about extremists and they agree that there is an inherent problem within the religion that promotes extremism.

Now where we disagree is on the validity of their prophet, but that's immaterial for the sake of this discussion.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I see how it works. When somebody's a whack job and uses a religion as an excuse, it blankets the entire religion. Thanks!

[mugzi]

When there's millions of extremists around the world, that's more than a blanket genius.

Yes there are peaceful, law abiding Muslims, I never said there wasn't.

But they're a silent majority that don't speak out or do anything to try to reel in the extremists that perpetrate violence throughout the world.

And that's my problem with Islam.

That may escape a mind as myopic as yours, but I live in the real world and see things the way they are not the way the NY Times or some other leftist, globalist source tells me they are.

So snap out of the dream world you reside in and wake up to reality and recognize that Islam as a entity is intent on setting up a global caliphate and won't stop until that happens, or until they are stopped.

So what should we do CGC? Join hands and sing kumbiya? Im sure everything will work out just fine. I mean any religion which subjugates women by keeping them covered from head to toe, not allowing them to drive or hold down a job is certainly enlightened enough to live in peace right?

I can't believe I have to even explain this to people. Are you all really just willfully ignorant?

[Bigmo5246]

wow, all muslims are not extremists?

What a shock

Both the OP and mugzi are in the same boat.
Get some muslim friends for christ's sake.

abort thread.

mugzi is an idiot. plain and simple. And I;m not just saying it because I'm muslim. He has no clue about what this religion is about.

Yes I know exactly what this religion is about putz. And why don't you enlighten me about the religion of peace?

Oh and nice avatar from such a pious Muslim. {Hypocrite cough cough}

Answer these questions or RAISE UP.

Are Christians or Jews allowed into Mecca? And what are the reasons besides bigotry for this decision?

Are young boys trafficked in Afghanastan and other parts of the middle east for the pleasure of middle aged men?

Are people still stoned and beheaded for violating Sharia?

Why are so many acts of violence committed by extremists in the name of the religion of peace?
Suicide bombings? Burning of churches? Murder of homosexuals?


Dont worry LITTLEsmo, I'll wait.

Thank you. You have just proved my point about how much of an idiot you actually are.

First of all, my avatar has absolutely NOTHING to do with who I am as a person. You assume I am a "pious" Muslim, but why? Just because I spoke up about how much of a single-minded person you are? You have no clue who I am or what I am about, so don't even start trying to attack me personally.

Secondly, you're arguments are just laughable. You tend to bring up all the bad things certain Muslims have done, and start to assume that ALL muslims are like this just because of a few dumbasses out there. That is just like me saying that all Americans are bad because a couple teenagers thought it was a good idea to go shoot up their school. Face it, everyone has bad people in their religions. It is flat out stupid to assume an entire race is horrible because of the actions of other stupid people.

Let me ask you this, have you ever once even tried to get to know a Muslim? Have you ever taken the time out of your pointless life to go and try and learn about what the religion is really about, from an actual follower of the religion? I can already tell you have read interpreted versions of the Qur'an, who were written by people just like you, people who hate the religion and just want to influence other idiots like yourself. Take the time to get to know actual Muslims... maybe a light bulb will go off in your head and you will stop having these ridiculous feelings towards an entire race.

And that is real mature calling me LITTLEmo. I don't know how old you are, but things like that are silly to use in arguments.

[Bigmo5246]

When there's millions of extremists around the world, that's more than a blanket genius.

Yes there are peaceful, law abiding Muslims, I never said there wasn't.

But they're a silent majority that don't speak out or do anything to try to reel in the extremists that perpetrate violence throughout the world.

And that's my problem with Islam.

That may escape a mind as myopic as yours, but I live in the real world and see things the way they are not the way the NY Times or some other leftist, globalist source tells me they are.

So snap out of the dream world you reside in and wake up to reality and recognize that Islam as a entity is intent on setting up a global caliphate and won't stop until that happens, or until they are stopped.

So what should we do CGC? Join hands and sing kumbiya? Im sure everything will work out just fine. I mean any religion which subjugates women by keeping them covered from head to toe, not allowing them to drive or hold down a job is certainly enlightened enough to live in peace right?

I can't believe I have to even explain this to people. Are you all really just willfully ignorant?

You prove a point here, yet I still think you're wrong in certain ways. At least you acknowledge that there are peaceful muslims out there... at times you really seem like you feel we are all bad.

The extremists have no clue what Islam is about. My family and I hate them, as many other muslims do, because of the bad rep they give us. It is just wrong for people to think that because of these guys an entire religion is wrong.

Islam does not promote extremist actions. I am not sure of how much you know about the Qur'an, but if you have read it, and it is an interpreted version, I can tell you that there is false information in there without a doubt. I never trust that stuff because I know that it gives out the wrong information.

[Jmonty580]

I actually remember an episode of parking wars and this guy gave a bunch of tickets to people who where muslim at a masque. This guy came out and cursed him out and was really aggressive and mean. Said they were being targeted because of their religion. Next day everyone was parked where they should be and someone from the masque came out and told that guy that the idiot who cursed him does not represent what they are like. That they are peacefull and they appreicate him being out there and doing his job (he gave them advice on where to park and how to avoid tickets in the future). He appologized for the other guy and told him that they would work together going forward. 2 different extremes at the same place. You have it everwhere in everything. Cant just generalize like that imo.

[mugzi]

Why even engage in a debate if your not going to answer any of the questions? That already shows you've lost.

And if you're going to step up and call me out, then decalre yourself a Muslim then be prepared to be called out and have your piety called into question. Then be a hypocrite at the end of your post and call me out for making fun of your screen name when you started out by calling me an idiot. No one likes hypocrisy- MO.

Would your imam approve of your avatar? If Islam feels thats the way women should be portrayed than why are women clad in hijabs and burkas to cover their bodies in the muslim world?

And did you read my posts or gloss over them?

I do have two Muslim friends and they are good men, and good Americans. They share many of my sentiments and are alarmed by the growing threat of radical Islam. We disagree as to the validity of your prophet but that is what it is.

And these are directly from your holy text, so don't tell me that these are some infidel propaganda to distort the truth about your religion. Your religion needs to get out of the 7th century and join the 21st century or fade away.

2:193-”Fight against them (unbelievers) until there is no dissension, and the religion is for Allah.”
Fight until no other religion exists but Islam.

5:12-16-”Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel…. But because they broke their covenant, we cursed them and hardened their hearts. They changed the words from their places and have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded…. With those who called themselves Christians, we made a covenant, but they have forgotten much of what they were reminded. Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred till the day of resurrection.”

9:30-”The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah, while the Christians (who follow Paul) say the messiah is the son of Allah. such are their assertions, by which they imitate those who disbelieved before. Allah fights them! How perverted are they!”

5:51-”O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them in friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”


Religion of peace, yep.

[ComboGuardCity]

Why even engage in a debate if your not going to answer any of the questions? That already shows you've lost.

And if you're going to step up and call me out, then decalre yourself a Muslim then be prepared to be called out and have your piety called into question. Then be a hypocrite at the end of your post and call me out for making fun of your screen name when you started out by calling me an idiot. No one likes hypocrisy- MO.

Would your imam approve of your avatar? If Islam feels thats the way women should be portrayed than why are women clad in hijabs and burkas to cover their bodies in the muslim world?

And did you read my posts or gloss over them?

I do have two Muslim friends and they are good men, and good Americans. They share many of my sentiments and are alarmed by the growing threat of radical Islam. We disagree as to the validity of your prophet but that is what it is.

And these are directly from your holy text, so don't tell me that these are some infidel propaganda to distort the truth about your religion. Your religion needs to get out of the 7th century and join the 21st century or fade away.

2:193-”Fight against them (unbelievers) until there is no dissension, and the religion is for Allah.”
Fight until no other religion exists but Islam.

5:12-16-”Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel…. But because they broke their covenant, we cursed them and hardened their hearts. They changed the words from their places and have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded…. With those who called themselves Christians, we made a covenant, but they have forgotten much of what they were reminded. Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred till the day of resurrection.”

9:30-”The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah, while the Christians (who follow Paul) say the messiah is the son of Allah. such are their assertions, by which they imitate those who disbelieved before. Allah fights them! How perverted are they!”

5:51-”O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them in friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”


Religion of peace, yep.

What religion do you follow?

[Bigmo5246]

you assumed who I was through my avatar. I called you an idiot because of the posts you made and what you actually say.

Just because I am a Muslim does not mean I am a pious one. I do not follow the religion to an extreme point. My mother does not wear a hijab, I don't pray 5 times a day, and I do commit so called "sins".

And what I am telling you is that you need to go out and learn about the rligion from people who actually follow it. If you do that, and still don't change your mind about the religion, that's fine by me. I can care less about what you do with your life But you do need to know that what you say is completely wrong, and that you just come across as a bad/stupid person with those types of posts.

[BklyntoTNeck]

Mugzi is a internet tough guy with his smartass remarks. He reminds me of the type of person who feels good about expressing himself over the internet, but catch him on the street....he'll quickly become the biggest liberal there is.

[Bigmo5246]

Why even engage in a debate if your not going to answer any of the questions? That already shows you've lost.

And if you're going to step up and call me out, then decalre yourself a Muslim then be prepared to be called out and have your piety called into question. Then be a hypocrite at the end of your post and call me out for making fun of your screen name when you started out by calling me an idiot. No one likes hypocrisy- MO.

Would your imam approve of your avatar? If Islam feels thats the way women should be portrayed than why are women clad in hijabs and burkas to cover their bodies in the muslim world?

And did you read my posts or gloss over them?

I do have two Muslim friends and they are good men, and good Americans. They share many of my sentiments and are alarmed by the growing threat of radical Islam. We disagree as to the validity of your prophet but that is what it is.

And these are directly from your holy text, so don't tell me that these are some infidel propaganda to distort the truth about your religion. Your religion needs to get out of the 7th century and join the 21st century or fade away.

2:193-”Fight against them (unbelievers) until there is no dissension, and the religion is for Allah.”
Fight until no other religion exists but Islam.

5:12-16-”Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel…. But because they broke their covenant, we cursed them and hardened their hearts. They changed the words from their places and have forgotten a portion of what they were reminded…. With those who called themselves Christians, we made a covenant, but they have forgotten much of what they were reminded. Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred till the day of resurrection.”

9:30-”The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah, while the Christians (who follow Paul) say the messiah is the son of Allah. such are their assertions, by which they imitate those who disbelieved before. Allah fights them! How perverted are they!”

5:51-”O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them in friendship is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”


Religion of peace, yep.

Interpreted bull****. It's sad that so many people actually believe in it. Im 16 and know better than to actually take those things seriously.