The Official Trade Proposals Thread

[parson]

Now that Josh Smith has proven himself at SF, how about this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3sy8wrm ?

It's Josh Smith to MEM, which sends Mayo and Xavier Henry to CHI, which sends Asik, Taj Gibson and C.J. Watson to ATL. MEM sends ATL 2 first-rounders, as well.

For a long time, we didn't think Smith could play the 3 but, now, we've learned he can thrive there (he's actually a pretty good low post scorer against SFs). His defense doesn't suffer there (the way it used to) and he still gets his blocks. MEM would have a dominant front line. You'd have to either play Gay at the 2 or use Smith as a 3 and a 4.

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Now that Josh Smith has proven himself at SF, how about this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3sy8wrm ?

It's Josh Smith to MEM, which sends Mayo and Xavier Henry to CHI, which sends Asik, Taj Gibson and C.J. Watson to ATL. MEM sends ATL 2 first-rounders, as well.

For a long time, we didn't think Smith could play the 3 but, now, we've learned he can thrive there (he's actually a pretty good low post scorer against SFs). His defense doesn't suffer there (the way it used to) and he still gets his blocks. MEM would have a dominant front line. You'd have to either play Gay at the 2 or use Smith as a 3 and a 4.

Umm - well, Rudy can't play the 2. That's long since been established. The 3 and 4 are already manned by Zach and Rudy. Josh would be off the charts value for OJ+Xavier, but it's a case of even at that value, it just doesn't work.

Sorry.

[It_Was_Typed]

You can't be serious with that trade proposal.

[parson]

You can't be serious with that trade proposal.

I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Are you complaining that the offer is unfair to MEM?
Are you complaining that I'm underselling Josh Smith?

[vanjulio]

The 2 first round picks make it a deal breaker. how would Josh Smith respond to being traded to Memphis to come off the bench? I think we'd have major chemistry issues though I'd like him backing up ZBO + Gay. It's a decent video game trade (without the picks still) but real life could never work.

Our small lineup would be epic though: Arthur -C, Smith -PF, Gay/Young - SF, Allen/Selby - SG, Conley/Vasqeuz - PG

normal lineup though is weird. Is he the 3rd string PF or 2nd string SF or niether? Can he backup Gasol at Center???

what about Arthur + Mayo + 0 first round picks for SMith?

[dark-child]

Why not try this trade and just leave Memphis out of it all together?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ykw9wn

[Ben]

Why not try this trade and just leave Memphis out of it all together?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ykw9wn

Because he's looking to get Atlanta a center, not another PG (Nelson) plus an undersized PF (Bass).

[NewWolvesOrder]

Wolves trade Beasley(6.2mil), Williams(4.0), Pekovic(4.6) for Gay(15.0)

Grizzlies trade Gay(15.0), Mayo(5.6) for Granger(12.0), Ty Thomas(7.3)

Pacers trade Granger(12.0) for Williams(4.0), Mayo(5,6), Pekovic(4.6)

Bobcats trade Thomas for Beasley

So you guys get a star SF who's on a cheaper contract compared to Gay and is less of an iso player and is more of a shooter which makes him a better fit going forward. Thomas brings athletic defense to your frontcourt, he is a good fit to play next to either Z-BO and Marc. Mayo doesn't look to be in your future plans anyway or maybe Memphis is not in his plans as he wants to be a starter. If you don't want to take on the contract of Thomas then Charlotte can be cut out from the trade and Beasley will go to Memphis to give you a scorer off the bench to fill the role of Mayo,

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Wolves trade Beasley(6.2mil), Williams(4.0), Pekovic(4.6) for Gay(15.0)

Grizzlies trade Gay(15.0), Mayo(5.6) for Granger(12.0), Ty Thomas(7.3)

Pacers trade Granger(12.0) for Williams(4.0), Mayo(5,6), Pekovic(4.6)

Bobcats trade Thomas for Beasley

So you guys get a star SF who's on a cheaper contract compared to Gay and is less of an iso player and is more of a shooter which makes him a better fit going forward. Thomas brings athletic defense to your frontcourt, he is a good fit to play next to either Z-BO and Marc. Mayo doesn't look to be in your future plans anyway or maybe Memphis is not in his plans as he wants to be a starter. If you don't want to take on the contract of Thomas then Charlotte can be cut out from the trade and Beasley will go to Memphis to give you a scorer off the bench to fill the role of Mayo,

Well thought out trade. I don't know that I'd be begging the FO to go out and make that deal - but if it happened I wouldn't fret too much.

[mid-post]

Not too much of a Granger fan. He's a decent shooter who likes to take tons of shots. Other than that one ability (shooting) I think he's a downgrade from Rudy in every sense.
And Rudy's a pretty good shooter too.

[HeartFoundation]

Wolves trade Beasley(6.2mil), Williams(4.0), Pekovic(4.6) for Gay(15.0)

Grizzlies trade Gay(15.0), Mayo(5.6) for Granger(12.0), Ty Thomas(7.3)

Pacers trade Granger(12.0) for Williams(4.0), Mayo(5,6), Pekovic(4.6)

Bobcats trade Thomas for Beasley

So you guys get a star SF who's on a cheaper contract compared to Gay and is less of an iso player and is more of a shooter which makes him a better fit going forward. Thomas brings athletic defense to your frontcourt, he is a good fit to play next to either Z-BO and Marc. Mayo doesn't look to be in your future plans anyway or maybe Memphis is not in his plans as he wants to be a starter. If you don't want to take on the contract of Thomas then Charlotte can be cut out from the trade and Beasley will go to Memphis to give you a scorer off the bench to fill the role of Mayo,

Gay > Granger
Mayo > Tyrus Thomas

What makes you think Griz would do this stupid trade?

[NewWolvesOrder]

Not too much of a Granger fan. He's a decent shooter who likes to take tons of shots. Other than that one ability (shooting) I think he's a downgrade from Rudy in every sense.
And Rudy's a pretty good shooter too.

Well, it's just not true. Take a look at their career stats. They are quite similar. In fact, Granger has averaged better PPG so far. He's FG% are worse but tha's because he shoots a ton of 3's. They are similar defenders and rebounders. Rudy still has upside but Granger is a much better contract, he nets 3 to 4 mil less per each year plus Rudy has one additional year at 19 mil.
I don't understand how you can claim that Granger is a downgrade IN EVERY SENSE ?

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Gay > Granger
Mayo > Tyrus Thomas

What makes you think Griz would do this stupid trade?

Firstly I don't think the Grizz, or other teams involved, would make this deal.

However, we need depth up front which Thomas would provide and Granger - although I agree Rudy is the better player - only has $39 million due over the next 3 seasons whereas Rudy is owed $68.5 over the next 4. Resigning Marc and DA are no longer issues and you would be able to consider retaining Shane as well.

Marc/DA/Hamed
Zach/Tyrus
Granger/Shane/Sam
TA/Xavier
Mike/Greivis/Selby

[vanjulio]

yeah trade our 2 best talents for Rudy Gay Jr and Stromile Swift 2.0 ?

if Rudy Gay played in the Leastern Conference he would have been a 3 time allstar by now - Granger is only a sub fill-in allstar on a sub .500 team.

[Pacerlive]

Wolves trade Beasley(6.2mil), Williams(4.0), Pekovic(4.6) for Gay(15.0)

Grizzlies trade Gay(15.0), Mayo(5.6) for Granger(12.0), Ty Thomas(7.3)

Pacers trade Granger(12.0) for Williams(4.0), Mayo(5,6), Pekovic(4.6)

Bobcats trade Thomas for Beasley

So you guys get a star SF who's on a cheaper contract compared to Gay and is less of an iso player and is more of a shooter which makes him a better fit going forward. Thomas brings athletic defense to your frontcourt, he is a good fit to play next to either Z-BO and Marc. Mayo doesn't look to be in your future plans anyway or maybe Memphis is not in his plans as he wants to be a starter. If you don't want to take on the contract of Thomas then Charlotte can be cut out from the trade and Beasley will go to Memphis to give you a scorer off the bench to fill the role of Mayo,

Gay > Granger
Mayo > Tyrus Thomas

What makes you think Griz would do this stupid trade?

I think they do that deal because no way the Grizz can resign Mayo after this year.

As a pacer fan I wouldn't do this deal as it hinges on Dwill development. There were 2 guys Bird was looking at as a 6th man, Mayo and George Hill. The Pacer got the former so there is no reason to get Mayo now.

[mid-post]

Take a look at their career stats. They are quite similar. In fact, Granger has averaged better PPG so far. He's FG% are worse but tha's because he shoots a ton of 3's. They are similar defenders and rebounders.

Rudy is a better rebounder and defender. He also has a significantly lower usg% which makes him better for this team.

Rudy still has upside but Granger is a much better contract, he nets 3 to 4 mil less per each year plus Rudy has one additional year at 19 mil.
I don't understand how you can claim that Granger is a downgrade IN EVERY SENSE ?

I said that other than shooting, Granger is a downgrade in every sense. I guess you could say he's a better bargain though, so you have me there.

But what this is mainly about is that Granger is 28. By the time Memphis needs to have a new go-to player (when Randolph is 34-35 or so) Rudy will be about 27/28 in his prime and his big contract will be expiring. Granger will be 32-33 and who knows whether Memphis would even be able to retain him after he expired. Or if they'd even want to. He'd be in the twilight of his career. Memphis would have Gasol, a 36 year old Randolph and...?
As a strategic, financial and trade asset, Rudy is way more valuable to the Memphis Grizzlies than Granger is.

Granger had a few nice seasons on some pretty mediocre teams. He's a solid (comparable to Rudy) player, but there's no reason for Memphis to move anyone right now. Memphis isn't going to blow things up just because there's talk of a hard cap and they certainly aren't going to dump one of their best young players (and assets) to save $10-15 million dollars.

[mid-post]

I think they do that deal because no way the Grizz can resign Mayo after this year.

What makes you think that Memphis wants to keep Mayo over Gay? What makes you think they want to keep Mayo at all?

[Pacerlive]

I think they do that deal because no way the Grizz can resign Mayo after this year.

What makes you think that Memphis wants to keep Mayo over Gay? What makes you think they want to keep Mayo at all?

You trade the asset before it expires. They do a deal like this becuase like it or not Memphis is a small market and they can't drop 75 to 85 mill per year for their players for the next 4-5 years.

This is especially true when the new CBA comes out with or without a LT. The way I see it is that you guys resign Gasol and try to resign Battier. Outside of that you are handicapped by all the big contracts. Its not a bad thing but it won't be sustainable under a new cba IMO. The only way I see it happening though is if there is a roll back in current salaries (doubtful) and/or if there is a 4 year adjustment period which again is doubtful.

Time will tell.

[It_Was_Typed]

Just curious, would you guys rather find a backup center through free agency or trade one of the perimeter players (I'm looking at you Sam Young)?

I'm thinking if the Grizzlies do re-sign Marc Gasol, there wouldn't be many minutes open with Gasol, Zach Randolph and Darrell Arthur taking up most of the minutes, so it wouldn't be smart to trade a proven rotation player like Young. But the centers in free agency are lacking for the most part. I wanted Joel Pryzbilla from the start, but he's battled injuries and I think he'll end up with the Milwaukee Bucks. I liked Hamed Haddadi, but he's more of a third stringer to me.

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

I say just sign Hamed. He's still young and relatively unproven - but he knows the system, fits the team chemistry and has shown signs of limited productivity. Sounds like a great back up to me.