Official Politics thread pt. 2

[Jmonty580]

No one has control over our final resting place but God. And none of us deserve heaven, salvation isnt obtained by works but by faith.

Ive just had bad experiences with churches honestly. Ive seen alot of insincerity and manipulation and it soured me on that aspect of religion.

But much of my family are Christian and the people I see and associate with regularly are too, so I dont feel Im missing out on fellowship.

Im just missing out on hypocrisy in church and the church band whose singer is so over the top he'd make Jimmy Swaggert look like a monk who took a vow of silence.

I wont lie though, I want to live more of a traditional life that most Christians fall into. I just havent found that one woman to settle down with. So I date often, see different women and have sex. Is that right? Well, I am human. Flawed, but Im not going to deny my base instincts because Im supposed to settle down and marry some woman just to be intimate with and find out that we're not compatible.

So I do what I do. I make money, I make music, I date. Drink maybe twice a month. Smoke my weed twice a week. Other than that my vices are few.

I read the bible semi-regularly and I pray when the time is right.

Im fine with my faith and I share my views with anyone who may want to hear them, but I dont go around trying to convert people, nor do I broadcast what I believe.

I just be the best man I can be at the moment and dont lose sleep over my imperfections. Because in the end my friend Christians are either right and we have eternal bliss with God and Christ, or we were wrong and as Paul said


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if
Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then
those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we
have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men (1 Cor. 15:17-19

Hey i cant knock you keep doing what your doing and try to keep moving forward. I will say that as you grow things should change. Finding that right women helped change me too, and I JUST started going to church regularly when i was 25 so I understand it takes time. Pray and ask God to help you progress and to strengthen your relationship with him and to help you become the man he wants you to become man, thats all you can do.

On the part where your like I'm going to have sex because its my instincts, and I wont lose sleep over it because i'm human. I think thats the wrong attitude man. If you know something that your doing is wrong, you should strive to change it. You shouldnt engage in those activities saying hey i'm human i'm going to sin. now if you have a moment of weakness and sin anyways and then you have remorse and ask God for forgiveness thats something else. But to do it and just be like, I'm human, not the right approach man. But give it time you'll mature and hopefully change some of your ways. Its a journey man, and I'm still working my way to living right too. I'm far from perfect.

[mugzi]

So just so we're clear what's your thoughts on an afterlife or lack of one? You surely know of Christopher Hitchens. Your posts remind me alot of him. Smart but faithless man. Ive listened to many of his interviews and if you ignore his pomposity he does raise interesting questions.

And my point in highlighting that Muslim's apparent lack of piety is that Muslims seem to want recognition as being poius yet many of them pay lip service to their religion's asceticism.

Im not here to tell you there's a hell or that you'll burn in it for what you believe. Far from it. What I'm saying is that there is no figure in history who has changed the course of mankind more than Jesus and there is no force in the world that has done more to promote charity and love than Christianity.

I never said Christianity was perfect because people aren't perfect.

And Im not trying to hold Islam up to a standard that Christianity is not held up to by those who have an agenda against it everyday. I make no apologies for my life, nor my beliefs. At the end of life, Im either wrong and fade into nothingness or my faith was worthwhile and God shows me mercy and grants me eternal respite.

But when you look at statistics and news articles comparatively as well as the amount of charity done in the name of said religions there's no question in my mind what the true religion of peace is.

I have theories of the afterlife, but the only thing I can say conclusively is that "I don't know." None of us do. To touch on a point you made earlier. You can't turn something into nothing. It is merely a transfer of energy. That's all I can really go on at this point.

I know of Christopher Hitchens. I basically have the same view of him as you do. I am a big fan of Carl Sagan. He basically had the view of "I can not dismiss the possibility, I would love for it to be true, but I see no evidence to support it."

Your other points here I can't really argue with in any way, nor can I disagree with them. The only thing I will add is that it would be nice for humanity to take a moral stance and help each other for the longevity of the race, as opposed to guilt and fear. I don't find them to be very comforting motivators and for a god to use them as such is concerning to me.

I have no definition of a "Real Christian." The scope is far too broad, the interpretations are too loose, and people claiming to be Christian many times have trouble agreeing on some of the fundamentals. The question was not for me to judge whether or not you fit the criteria of a "Real Christian" but for you question it for yourself. Based on your other posts in here, and the other thread, it appeared that you were threatening the use of violence to prove a point.

I respect your candor. You be definition would be agnostic, which many people are.

Believe me there's times in life where I still question everything. The majesty and complexity of life and the universe is too great not to.

My point was that faith is personal and subjective. Im humble enough to accept that life is much bigger than you or me, and that I was created by a God who has his own plan for existence.

But Im also a guy who grew up fast and was raised not to take anything from anyone. So when people hide behind a keyboard and call me out as if Im soft, yeah Im going to offer to show them who the real tough guy is. And the same people can't win on a message board because they dont have half my wits so I wanted to offer them an opportunity to shut me up in real life.

Not because I think Im unbreakable, but because I dont have fear. You see most people in life are bound by fear, fear of others, the unknown, poverty, loss, etc.

But Ive lost enough in life, Ive lost money, friends, family, to many different things that I had no control over- crime, drugs, alcohol, cancer, theft, etc.

So when you get to a point in life where you've seen adversity in all its glory, then you are free to live life on your terms. And thats what I do. I go into any scenario sizing up the worst possible outcome and if I can accept that outcome if it happens then I go for it. If I dont like the worse possible outcome I dont do it, plain and simple.

And throwing on some gloves in a friendly boxing match is legal and a healthy way to resolve a dispute if all else fails.

Is it Christian? Maybe, maybe not. But Im not threatening violence, Im simply offering a forum for resolution.

[mugzi]

Only when Im finishing up with your ma ma ma muh aaaah mama.

CGC is that you or your boyfriend?

Get off the thread chump and your screen name of your whack azz underground masked rapper is far from original.

[MF Doom]

Get off the thread chump and your screen name of your whack azz underground masked rapper is far from original.

Are you angry sir?

[mugzi]

No one has control over our final resting place but God. And none of us deserve heaven, salvation isnt obtained by works but by faith.

Ive just had bad experiences with churches honestly. Ive seen alot of insincerity and manipulation and it soured me on that aspect of religion.

But much of my family are Christian and the people I see and associate with regularly are too, so I dont feel Im missing out on fellowship.

Im just missing out on hypocrisy in church and the church band whose singer is so over the top he'd make Jimmy Swaggert look like a monk who took a vow of silence.

I wont lie though, I want to live more of a traditional life that most Christians fall into. I just havent found that one woman to settle down with. So I date often, see different women and have sex. Is that right? Well, I am human. Flawed, but Im not going to deny my base instincts because Im supposed to settle down and marry some woman just to be intimate with and find out that we're not compatible.

So I do what I do. I make money, I make music, I date. Drink maybe twice a month. Smoke my weed twice a week. Other than that my vices are few.

I read the bible semi-regularly and I pray when the time is right.

Im fine with my faith and I share my views with anyone who may want to hear them, but I dont go around trying to convert people, nor do I broadcast what I believe.

I just be the best man I can be at the moment and dont lose sleep over my imperfections. Because in the end my friend Christians are either right and we have eternal bliss with God and Christ, or we were wrong and as Paul said


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if
Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then
those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we
have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men (1 Cor. 15:17-19

Hey i cant knock you keep doing what your doing and try to keep moving forward. I will say that as you grow things should change. Finding that right women helped change me too, and I JUST started going to church regularly when i was 25 so I understand it takes time. Pray and ask God to help you progress and to strengthen your relationship with him and to help you become the man he wants you to become man, thats all you can do.

On the part where your like I'm going to have sex because its my instincts, and I wont lose sleep over it because i'm human. I think thats the wrong attitude man. If you know something that your doing is wrong, you should strive to change it. You shouldnt engage in those activities saying hey i'm human i'm going to sin. now if you have a moment of weakness and sin anyways and then you have remorse and ask God for forgiveness thats something else. But to do it and just be like, I'm human, not the right approach man. But give it time you'll mature and hopefully change some of your ways. Its a journey man, and I'm still working my way to living right too. I'm far from perfect.

I got to step out for a while but I thought this was worth responding to before I left.

I wont lie I have prayed for the things you mentioned. And Ive yet to find them. Could it be that my actions now stand in the way of that? Perhaps.

But its much easier in life to live righteously when you have a good, sane God fearing woman by your side, that I know.

Ive always drawn women who are attractive outwardly but usually ugly inwardly. Its human error, I know. And thats hard to reconcile. Part of me knows Im not looking in the right places.

Im not actively looking to sin, but it happens. I mean I go out on a date, things progress rapidly usually and it gets physical. I honestly dont feel bad about it or feel like I need to guilt myself into not having sex if I have the opportunity to do so.

But Im at a point in my life where I dont want to date random women anymore just to get some.

I want to find that one woman and settle down, and I have faith that God will let it be if its meant to be. But marriage isnt easy or always fun, so if I stayed single Im fine with that outcome too.

[mugzi]

Get off the thread chump and your screen name of your whack azz underground masked rapper is far from original.

Are you angry sir?

Are you employed? How do you have 1200 posts in 80 something days here?

Get a life, and remember this is the political thread not the bait someone cause you have nothing better to do with your pointless life thread.

[Jmonty580]

I got to step out for a while but I thought this was worth responding to before I left.

I wont lie I have prayed for the things you mentioned. And Ive yet to find them. Could it be that my actions now stand in the way of that? Perhaps.

But its much easier in life to live righteously when you have a good, sane God fearing woman by your side, that I know.

Ive always drawn women who are attractive outwardly but usually ugly inwardly. Its human error, I know. And thats hard to reconcile. Part of me knows Im not looking in the right places.

Im not actively looking to sin, but it happens. I mean I go out on a date, things progress rapidly usually and it gets physical. I honestly dont feel bad about it or feel like I need to guilt myself into not having sex if I have the opportunity to do so.

But Im at a point in my life where I dont want to date random women anymore just to get some.

I want to find that one woman and settle down, and I have faith that God will let it be if its meant to be. But marriage isnt easy or always fun, so if I stayed single Im fine with that outcome too.

I'll say this God answers in his time. I've been lower than low could get and prayed and pleaded with God and I felt like i was getting kicked in the teeth. Even decided at one point there is no point trying thought i was destined for hell. But God answers is his own time, so as you mature things will change and you'll look back at some stuff that your doing in your life today and probably be like, man why did I do that. But yea i know we need a Church home man. No church is perfect, the one I go to right now I have a major issue with but the church is sort of like the world. Problems are going to exist, things arent going to be perfect. Jesus lived in that and did what he could to change it, you hvae to do your part in church, in marraige, in life! Your growing man, so keep on doing your thing, keep praying, keep growing in your faith in God you watch what is done for you in life. I'm a living testament that God is amazing, if you want him too, trust me he will work in your life.

[mugzi]

Bout to hop in the shower and step out til tonight, but thanks for the words of encouragement man. You seem to be wise beyond your years and I know that comes from life's lessons.

Im going to give church another try, I wasnt planning on doing it yet, but your words gave me some food for thought and I may just do it sooner than later.

Best of luck to you in life and blessings to you and your family. I hope the spirit continues to grow in you and also makes us both into the men God intended us to be.

[rsavaj]

I am a big fan of Carl Sagan. He basically had the view of "I can not dismiss the possibility, I would love for it to be true, but I see no evidence to support it."

Carl Sagan was a BOSS. Truly a great man. His passing was a huge loss for our species.

[Jmonty580]

Bout to hop in the shower and step out til tonight, but thanks for the words of encouragement man. You seem to be wise beyond your years and I know that comes from life's lessons.

Im going to give church another try, I wasnt planning on doing it yet, but your words gave me some food for thought and I may just do it sooner than later.

Best of luck to you in life and blessings to you and your family. I hope the spirit continues to grow in you and also makes us both into the men God intended us to be.

Amen man!! We'll never be perfect but we can keep striving for perfection. And if you can learn from other peoples lessons your going to be way ahead of the pack so i'm glad you are able to recieve advice from others. I actually seek people who have gone through stuff and get advice from them because it helps me learn lessons without having to feel the pain as much as if I learn it completely on my own.

Keep looking until you find somethnig man and just continue to grow your relationship with God. It already sounds like you have a good base in your FAITH and thats key man, alot of christians struggle really hard to get that, if you have that you already have alot. While your looking if you interested in a church you can listen to you online (NOT ADVERTISING HERE, just trying to help spread good messages that help me in life) check out myspbc.org sunday mornings at 10am service is broadcast. Young guy (relative to how most preachers are) that gives it to you straight up, talks like a real person not a stuck up holier than thou paster. See if you can feel him while you look for a local church you can check out and possibly join.

[HarthorneWingo]

[mugzi]

[mugzi]

Say it aint so O.

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
Pajamas ^ | 7/22/11 | Bob Owens


Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

Robert “Tosh” Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, told the Times he supported Jordan’s allegations, adding that the Zetas have reportedly bought property in the Columbus, N.M., border region to stash weapons and other contraband.

“From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales Program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”

The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. It regulates and licenses private U.S. companies’ overseas sales of weapons and other defense materials, defense services, and military training. This does not include the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which authorized sales to foreign governments.

An El Paso Times article – as of now ignored by mainstream media — went into much more shocking detail:

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

“The information about the arms trafficking was provided to our U.S. authorities long before the ‘Columbus 11′ investigation began,” said Plumlee, referring to recent indictments accusing several Columbus city officials of arms trafficking in conjunction with alleged accomplices in El Paso and Chaparral, N.M.

Jesús Rejón Aguilar, the number three man in the Zeta’s hierarchy, disclosed last week that the Zetas bought weapons in the United States and transported them across the Rio Grande. Mexican federal authorities captured Rejón on July 3 in the state of Mexico, and presented him to the news media the next day. His recorded video statement was uploaded on YouTube.

Jordan agreed with Plumlee’s allegations that the Zetas are operating in the Columbus-Palomas border.

Plumlee, who has testified before U.S. congressional committees about arms and drug trafficking, said the roads in Southern New Mexico provide smugglers easy access to Mexico’s highway networks.

Insight.org provides a map of the air-smuggling route originating in Dallas at Alliance Airport and ending in Columbus, New Mexico — a small town that has also been rocked by the arrests and guilty pleas of the town mayor and other elected officials who were running guns to a cartel safehouse, and then apparently into Mexico.

There is no direct link made as of yet between the Columbus, NM, officials case and the allegations of the Dallas-to-Columbus air smuggling route, but the possible connection should raise eyebrows.

If these allegations can be verified: what on Earth was the State Department thinking supplying the direct sale of military weapons to a cartel front company? Weapons that were then smuggled out of the very airport used by the Drug Enforcement Agency charged with bringing down the cartels?

Anthony Martin at the Examiner brings up one of the most damning and compelling questions that the State Department and Obama administration must answer if this story is true:

The program is set up so that the sale of U.S. guns to foreign entities involve direct negotiations with the governments of those countries purchasing the weapons. The description of the program specifically states that it regulates the sale of U.S. firearms to other countries or international organizations.

How, then, did a drug cartel purchase weapons through this program when it is neither an international organization nor a government?

At The Truth About Guns, Brad Kozak opines:

The ATF was not the only ones running guns to Mexico. Apparently the State Department was playing, too. And then consider this angle — was the State Department competing with the ATF for the hearts and minds of the Mexican drug trade?

…

If the ATF is supplying the Sinaloas (with Calderón’s tacit approval and/or help) and State is playing for the Zetas, where does that leave the rest of America?

It sounds like a fictional thriller, but considering what we’ve already learned of Operation Fast and Furious, the Justice Department, and the possibility of even more gunrunning operations (Operation Castaway) out of DOJ, is a rival program being run out of State really a bizarre accusation?

[ITGM]

Say it aint so O.

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
Pajamas ^ | 7/22/11 | Bob Owens


Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel ..........

COOL STORY A-BRO-HAM LINCOLN!

[mugzi]

Stick to what you know, it aint politics.

If you dont know what Fast and Furious is and the treasonous acts this administration was complicit in, and think this isnt possible, than theres a bridge in Brooklyn I have to sell you.

[ComboGuardCity]

If you don't like it GTFO our country.

[Bigmo5246]

You guys gotta all let this thing go. Me and mugzi share completely different views, but we wont keep arguing over it. nobody is really getting anywhere with these arguments

[mugzi]

If you don't like it GTFO our country.

You're so stupid you can't even say GTFO 'OF" our country correctly. I dont remember enemies of capitalism founding this country, nope in fact it was capitalists.

And how about you globalist, capitalist hating communists get the f out of OUR COUNTRY! The country of free market capitalists and conservatives. We're the backbone of this country and form much of the tax base. While vermin on the left suck off the govt teet. And crawl back to Cuba or China or whatever socialist hell hole your ideology came from.

Im ashamed that you're even a citizen of this country {wouldnt be surprised if you're on some sort of green card/student visa/here illegally though} You know nothing about history, politics or patriotism. You're the kind of person who would probably grab a kid to use as a shield if a terrorist started spraying bullets.

And GTFO - OF my thread you intellectually bankrupt cretin. Because you sure as hell add nothing to the thread, you can't even debate, you just bait like the little worm you are.

[mugzi]

You guys gotta all let this thing go. Me and mugzi share completely different views, but we wont keep arguing over it. nobody is really getting anywhere with these arguments

Care to explain to me how you think the president is doing a good job?

Libya?

Rising food and commodity prices?

Oil prices? Off shore and domestic exploration?

DISMANTLING NASA and killing thousands of jobs in the process?

Unemployment?

The stimulus- aka porkulus?

Operation Fast and Furious?

Healthcare Bill?

THE ECONOMY????


Because Id love to here ANYONE, ANYONE defend this man on these issues. Wingo, CGC, You, Duetta, seren, Queen of Troy, Hutnik, Nutty Nats fan, anyone.

But they won't because they can't.

[MF Doom]

:noway:

Everything comes from something. Life comes from life. You can't create something out of nothing.