Adelman Research

Krapinsky · Post #1 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:35 pm

Hey everyone,

It's been reported that Adelman will interview for the Timberwolves job.

I was wondering if you could help me out with some info I wasn't able to find via google.

1. Do you know what Adelman's salary was when he was in Houston? I know that he made nearly $7M/yr back when he was in Sacramento.

2. Can you provide any insight on his "corner offense". How it works, the plays that he runs out of it, etc.

Thank you!

Krapinsky · Post #2 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:01 pm

I found the answer to #1:

FYI: Adelman averaged a smidge over $4M a year on his 4-year contract with the Rockets.

Guy986 · Post #3 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:40 pm

Rick Adelman is a fantastic coach. Although stubborn with young (especially low bbiq)players , he is a very flexible coach. His early years with the Rockets, we ran mostly pick and rolls and low post isolation for Yao and Tmac and managed to keep the tenacity of JVG's half court defensive team. I mean the Rockets came off of several 50+ win seasons with Yao/Tmac pick and roll so Rick Adelman decided not to overhaul the playbook, he only made tweaks here and there.

Only until Yao went down and Tmac became a cripple did we start implementing Adelman's system. With complete offensive liability like Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier in the starting lineup, we were wondering how the Rockets were gonna put up points on the scoreboard to stay competitive. But yet we managed to become a top 5 scoring team for some miraculous reason and its 100% because of Adelman.

The truth is that Adelman's system is very dependent on reads and chemistry between the players. It took more than a 2-3 years for the system "to run itself" like it did last season. The "system" is not that different from most offense in the league. However, It does rely heavily on offball screens, ball movements and hard cutting to the basket.

For the Rockets, the most common plays usually involves a passing big(Chuck Hayes or Miller) in the high post and the Guards(Kevin Martin, Lowry, Courtney Lee) setting screens for each other in the corner, then the guards(in this case usually Kevin Martin) either cut very hard to the basket for a layup attempt or pull back outside for a jumper depending on how the defense plays him. Its very simple but incredibly effective.

example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GG9r1Rc ... F9B20B82A9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upkTVPYb4i0

The 3 most important components of this Adelman's offense is
1. a passing big(Kevin Love should be able to fill this position admirably)
2. a very good cutter(not sure if the Wolves have this)
3. consistent 3 point threats

But the most effective play for Adelman's Rocket is this. Every time they play this, they get something out of it. But they don't run it that often for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6ycb7CDcDI

Its 3 point threat with solid passing ability in the high post.(battier)
Low post threat in the middle taking up space and drawing attention(scola)
Then the cutter curls off of the low post option for a layup(Kevin Martin)

This works well because it involves the rockets 2 best offensive player in the same play. If there is no passing angle to Kevin Martin then Scola gets a post up play. Usually Martin receives the pass for an open layup.

Guy986 · Post #4 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:49 pm

If the Wolves hire Adelman i expect them to over achieve as always.

Kevin Love is going to be great under Adelman no question.
Guys like Ridnour, Wesley Johnson, Webster should do fine.

But i must warn you that Adelman treats dumb athletes and isolation players like they're the devil. That doesn't bode well for Michael Beasley.

And while i'm sure Rubio is smart and capable but he's going to be underused in Adelman's system. There will be plenty of fast break opportunity i'm sure but what is he gonna do in the half court? Bring the ball up and give it to Kevin Love then hide in the corner?

Aaron Brooks · Post #5 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:01 pm

You have to do the obligatory player comparisons between his Kings and your current Wolves

Milicic - Divac
Love - Webber
Beasley - Peja
Johnson - Christie?
Rubio - White Chocolate

Guy986 · Post #6 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:08 pm

Aaron Brooks wrote:You have to do the obligatory player comparisons between his Kings and your current Wolves

Milicic - Divac(Khhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan)
Love - Webber(ok i can see it)
Beasley - Peja(couldn't be more different imo)
Johnson - Christie?(kind of a stretch)
Rubio - White Chocolate(alright)

Aaron Brooks · Post #7 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:10 pm

i forgot about Derrick Williams

Aaron Brooks · Post #8 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:12 pm

Guy986 wrote:
Aaron Brooks wrote:You have to do the obligatory player comparisons between his Kings and your current Wolves

Milicic - Divac(Khhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan)
Love - Webber(ok i can see it)
Beasley - Peja(couldn't be more different imo)
Johnson - Christie?(kind of a stretch)
Rubio - White Chocolate(alright)

Milicic has the skills and i think Adelman can motivate him
Beasley can provide the scoring of a Peja

Guy986 · Post #9 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:32 pm

Peja scores mostly from offball catch and shoot.
Beasley scores mostly from isolation situation. Jab jab, fadeaway.

Krapinsky · Post #10 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:38 pm

Thanks for the info Guy!

Yeah Johnson is much more like Peja. We don't really have a christie like player because we don't really have a SG on the roster.

Aaron Brooks · Post #11 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:41 pm

sign Battier

Guy986 · Post #12 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:47 pm

Aaron Brooks wrote:sign Battier

Battier didn't do much under Adelman. Maybe because of age but he was way better under JVG.

Now Chuck Hayes needs to be paid his monies. He's shown that he can be very capable playing under Adelman.

Aaron Brooks · Post #13 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:08 pm

new coaches always wants guys familiar with their system though

Guy986 · Post #14 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:16 pm

Why do you have a sig of Dragic?

He tooook urrr jaaab.

Aaron Brooks · Post #15 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:20 pm

College Boy · Post #16 » by **College Boy** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:55 am

Guy986 wrote:Why do you have a sig of Dragic?

He tooook urrr jaaab.

Or was it the other way around?.......

aznkillabeezZz · Post #17 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:55 am

adelman is a great coach, his style of basketball is very fun too. I don't know if mccain can do the same with this group.

HTown_TMac · Post #18 » by **HTown_TMac** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:23 am

aznkillabeezZz wrote:adelman is a great coach, his style of basketball is very fun too. I don't know if mccain can do the same with this group.

dam, we got the senator of arizona coaching our team.. winning (even tho he could die any day now)

College Boy · Post #19 » by **College Boy** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:16 pm

HTown_TMac wrote:
aznkillabeezZz wrote:adelman is a great coach, his style of basketball is very fun too. I don't know if mccain can do the same with this group.

dam, we got the senator of arizona coaching our team.. winning (even tho he could die any day now)

LarsV8 · Post #20 » by **LarsV8** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:53 am

Adelman is an execution coach, not a developmental one. He will not work on skills in practice, he will scrimmage to find the best chemistry between groups of players. Defense is not really a strength.

Expect a better record immediately, but less development of your players.

His offense is a series of 3 man games with picks and back picks looking to confuse the defense and create a possibility of open looks/layups in multiple spots. It takes a while for the players to learn, but is really beautiful to watch once the players have it down.

The offense is generally initiated by a big man in the high post. Love could fit this role pretty well.

I really don't like your back court for his style at all. I don't think Rubio will work well in the system and you are really hurting at SG.