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Unlike Jays, Phils will upgrade, Halladay believes

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Unlike Jays, Phils will upgrade, Halladay believes 

Post#1 » by LittleOzzy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:10 pm

Roy Halladay remembers a lot of late Julys during his 12 years with the Blue Jays when he got his hopes up as the trade deadline approached, only to be disappointed year after year when team officials didn’t make a major move.

Maybe that’s why Toronto never reached the playoffs while Halladay was in a Blue Jays uniform.

While he was winning 148 games and a Cy Young Award, going to six All-Star Games and winning 20 games twice, the Blue Jays were good enough to post eight winning seasons but never made the moves necessary to take that next step down the stretch.

One of the reasons Halladay is now a Phillie is his confidence in this organization making deadline moves to improve the roster. No matter how good the roster already is.

“It was always frustrating watching New York and Boston do it whenever we got close around the break, so it's nice to be on a team that goes out and gets those guys, whether it's in the winter or during the break or whenever,” Halladay said after beating the Padres Sunday afternoon for his 12th win. “They're always trying to make us better.”

The Blue Jays haven’t been to the playoffs since beating the Phillies in the 1993 World Series. They were always pretty good while Halladay was in Toronto – they won at least 80 games in nine of his 12 years – but those blockbuster late-season moves?

That’s what the other teams in the AL East did.

With the Phillies, Halladay expects those moves. And that’s one of the big reasons he’s here.

"Not just this week, but (moves like) going to get Cliff (Lee) this winter,” he said. “That's a big part of it. Teams that win and do it consistently, they do those things and they are aggressive and they go out and get players, and that's a big part of being here.”

With the trade deadline just six days away, the Phillies are 64-36 going into today’s series finale against the Padres at Citizens Bank Park.

They have the best record in the majors, and they’re 27-11 since June 10 – that’s .710 baseball over the past six weeks. They’ve won five straight games and haven’t lost a series since mid-June. They haven’t lost a home series since the first week of May.

With Halladay, Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Vance Worley a combined 39-16, the Phillies now have a season-best-matching six-game lead over the Braves and appear to be sailing toward their fifth straight division title.

But nonetheless Halladay, 12-4 with a 2.55 ERA and a candidate for his third Cy Young Award, said he expects the Phillies to be active this week.

“You're always hoping to get better,” he said. “There's definitely a lot of things that go into it. Knowing I’m only here for a certain amount of years, yeah, I'd sell the farm. But they have to look out for the interest of the franchise beyond what we're doing right now, so it's a delicate balance.


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Re: Unlike Jays, Phils will upgrade, Halladay believes 

Post#2 » by Scorpion King » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:19 pm

He is telling the truth and this is up to ownership desire or lack there of to make the playoffs

I share his frustration. This team could have made the playoffs if they were willing to spend during trade deadline
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Post#3 » by jrsmith » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:31 pm

Everyone and their grandma already knows this, don't hold your breath for any changes.
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Post#4 » by mini » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:44 pm

While I agree with what he's saying, and on paper we were 'winning' but what years were we actually in contention to realistically push the Yanks/Sox/Rays? While we were winning 80ish games, at least 2 other teams in our division had 90+ wins. Maybe it's my selective memory but I don't really remember a year where I thought we would actually make it to the playoffs come deadline time... 2006 maybe. In the offseason, we should have fully spent the money (some would say we did during the AJ/BJ/Glaus/Rolen etc. years) and I pray that we spend large this year. I just don't know if the 'blockbuster deadline deal' that would have pushed us into the playoffs was ever realistic (who's to say in the end because we don't know what could have been there).

The issue as been beaten to death, but I hope we start spending some cash soon.
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Re: Unlike Jays, Phils will upgrade, Halladay believes 

Post#5 » by Michael Bradley » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:03 pm

The problem during Halladay's time here was never the trade deadlines, it was the off-seasons.
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Post#6 » by mini » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:13 pm

Michael Bradley wrote:The problem during Halladay's time here was never the trade deadlines, it was the off-seasons.


Right, but in the article a big portion is talking about us not making that push during the deadline ("the Yanks and Sox would"). Again, from my previous post, was there a deadline where you guys thought we had a legit shot of making the playoffs at the deadline? I can't remember one. I always had the feeling of "I hope we don't mortgage the future for some shoddy deadline deal that results in nothing" (i.e. Michael Young for Loaiza deal) I was also fearful due to my lack of faith in JP as a GM but that's another issue.
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Post#7 » by Homer Jay » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:36 pm

The only realistic shot was 2006 TBH, and in retrospect maybe we should have traded Hill and Rios at the time. But, at that time we had just promoted quite a number of new guys (Hill, Rios, Lind, McGowan, Marcum, Janssen) and the minors were pretty empty. The last time we were in contention, in 2000, we ended up making a god awful deal of Michael Young for Loaiza to try to win. Sometimes it just doesn't work out for the best....
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Re: Unlike Jays, Phils will upgrade, Halladay believes 

Post#8 » by Randle McMurphy » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:16 pm

Despite what Halladay thinks or remembers, his Jays were rarely in realistic playoff position at the deadline, so trading for upgrades would have been futile.

In reality, the Jays should have done a lot more selling in Halladay's years instead of standing pat at deadlines (and a lot more buying in the offseason).
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