Official Politics thread pt. 2

[ibraheim718]

Let me see if I'm following this latest bit of BS...

So Baby Bush takes office and is given a surplus to play with left by the former administration.

Then 9/11 takes place and the economy takes a hit. So Baby bush decides to start a war (an expensive one)... then he starts another war. All the while he is encouraging banks to lend, lend, lend (I acknowledge Clinton was doing the same) regardless or not if the borrowers can pay, pay, pay.

Then Baby Bush decides to cut taxes for everyone including the wealthiest people in america... because after all cutting taxes stimulates the economy... supposedly War does also.

Then the housing bubble bursts and Hank Paulson decides we have to scare the Chit out of congress so he hands them a three page document that basically says "hey I need 700+ billion dollars of tax payer money or we're going to be F****ed I'll explain why after you write me the check". This coincidentally happens right after Baby Bush is about to leave office and while we are losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 per month.

So why didn't the tax cuts stimulate the economy? Why weren't jobs being gained not lost when the corporate elite were making record profits?

And now the republicans don't want to pay the bills we are going to be past due on. Instead they want to put them off so they can be discussed in 2012 when the presidential election is going to be heating up? They also want to see a cut back in a completely solvent program in social security?

All Obama needs to do is call their bluff. And if the economy once again takes a plunge all he has to say is "hey I'm not the one who didn't want to pay the bills". How does this approach work in the republican party's favor? I don't see it. And the democratic party has to do nothing but simply let the Bush tax cuts expire and then make it clear during his bid for re-election how much revenue will be created from just letting the tax cuts expire in a simple enough way to where the american public understand it.

I am just getting a huge kick on how the republican party is digging their own grave for 2012. Why do you think Boner wants to cut a deal with the president only to be hamstrung by the tea baggers and be fed a line of crap to go on television to spew out of his tanned embalmed mouth? Because he knows the ramifications that will happen if they just do nothing. Knowing the Chinese will lose their patience with a country they most likely despise who owes them trillions of dollars. I honestly don't know what the Chinese would enjoy seeing more an american government lose it's once high standing as the economic superpower it once was or the interest that will accrue from the hefty loan america has taken over the years from them that they cannot afford to pay.

If you want to play fast and loose with the truth thats your choice, but lets cast the revisionism aside for a moment. I suppose social security's solvency is tied to the fact that its scheduled to run out of money within 25 years?

Im not a fan of GWB, never was I always viewed him as a Rino but I do recognize he inherited a situation that no president had until that point. An act of terrorism in NYC that was unprecedented. I understood the need to go into Afghanistan but I didnt agree wholeheartedly with Iraq, I thought the real threat was Iran and I was right.

The wars have cost over a trillion dollars and counting. But candidate Obama railed against the wars and doubled down on both once he got in office and continued without congressional approval in Libya something his predecessor never did.

Now any rational person knows how the economy got to where we are. That was the mortgage crisis. I was in the business I know first hand fraud was rampant on every level. From borrowers and mtg brokers doing liar loans to mortgage banks being complicit via their field reps telling brokers how to package a suspect loan for approval to Wall st who looked the other way because pass the potato didnt end with them.

So when people who had no business getting these loans didnt pay, it caused a domino affect throughout the economy, massive defaults, bankrupting lenders and people couldnt use their homes as atms anymore.


So how did these evil subprime loans get started? Funny you should ask. You see in the 90s BILL CLINTON in conjunction with HUD outlawed redlining and forced the govt lenders to provide low income families loans on a massive scale.

Thus the floodgates opened. And now were drowning in debt. So while yes Bush made plenty of bad decisions, dont try to put the meltdown at his feet and ignore the ineptitude of your idol Bill Clinton.


The economy was doing fine until mid 07, a year and a half before Obama was elected. And what has Obama done since entering office? Funny you should ask. He inherited a half a trillion deficit and QUADRUPLED IT.

Your boy Obama owns this economy and our malaise and he's not going to get what he wants in this standoff and hes not getting re-elected.

You've just been teabagged.

Sorry that's not going to cut it...

How much did the national debt increase under W Bush from the time he took office?

How much of the national debt that has been incurred on Obama's clock has been from residual spending I.E. the two wars (iraq,afghanistan) from the Bush administration?

Hw much more relaxed were regulations on Wall street under Bush's administration?

Did you just think people were dumb enough to think Obama would just from day 1 pull every last dollar out of the middle east to stop the two wars?

The democrats can easily get close to balancing the budget once the Bush tax cuts expire.

So you're a taker on the bet then? Great....

When Obama get's elected for his second term I would like for you to post an Obama avatar and a sig with both Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and refrain from posting in the politics thread for a total of 6 months. I'll let you choose you winnings if he doesn't win... which is a non-issue since he will win. BTW, have you seen the amount of cheddar that Obama has raised? You guys aren't beating that juggernaut. It will be even more of a landslide than it was in 2008.

[mugzi]

Oh and who knew democrats actually favor a balanced budget amendment, certainly CNN doesnt want you to know this which is why they buried that and I had to dig it up in a pdf they had pretty hidden which they quickly pulled.

CNN Poll: Strong Partisan divide [CNN covers up 63% of Democrats support Cut, Cap and Balance]
CNN ^ | July 21, 2011 | CNN political unit


"Republicans like the "cut, cap, and balance" approach to the debt ceiling, as do Democrats and independents. Most Americans support a balanced budget amendment, and most, but not as many, think an amendment is necessary to get federal spending under control. A balanced budget amendment passed the House earlier this week, but a vote in the Senate is expected to fail."

It was here at this link and they quickly pulled it. The useful idiots are at it again.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/c​nn/2011/images/07/21/rel11​b.pdf

[ibraheim718]

Here is a great wiki link to two charts charting the national debt by presidential terms.... Bush was such a damn failure. Regan and H.W Bush were pretty pathetic as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_d ... tial_terms

[mugzi]

Let me see if I'm following this latest bit of BS...

So Baby Bush takes office and is given a surplus to play with left by the former administration.

Then 9/11 takes place and the economy takes a hit. So Baby bush decides to start a war (an expensive one)... then he starts another war. All the while he is encouraging banks to lend, lend, lend (I acknowledge Clinton was doing the same) regardless or not if the borrowers can pay, pay, pay.

Then Baby Bush decides to cut taxes for everyone including the wealthiest people in america... because after all cutting taxes stimulates the economy... supposedly War does also.

Then the housing bubble bursts and Hank Paulson decides we have to scare the Chit out of congress so he hands them a three page document that basically says "hey I need 700+ billion dollars of tax payer money or we're going to be F****ed I'll explain why after you write me the check". This coincidentally happens right after Baby Bush is about to leave office and while we are losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 per month.

So why didn't the tax cuts stimulate the economy? Why weren't jobs being gained not lost when the corporate elite were making record profits?

And now the republicans don't want to pay the bills we are going to be past due on. Instead they want to put them off so they can be discussed in 2012 when the presidential election is going to be heating up? They also want to see a cut back in a completely solvent program in social security?

All Obama needs to do is call their bluff. And if the economy once again takes a plunge all he has to say is "hey I'm not the one who didn't want to pay the bills". How does this approach work in the republican party's favor? I don't see it. And the democratic party has to do nothing but simply let the Bush tax cuts expire and then make it clear during his bid for re-election how much revenue will be created from just letting the tax cuts expire in a simple enough way to where the american public understand it.

I am just getting a huge kick on how the republican party is digging their own grave for 2012. Why do you think Boner wants to cut a deal with the president only to be hamstrung by the tea baggers and be fed a line of crap to go on television to spew out of his tanned embalmed mouth? Because he knows the ramifications that will happen if they just do nothing. Knowing the Chinese will lose their patience with a country they most likely despise who owes them trillions of dollars. I honestly don't know what the Chinese would enjoy seeing more an american government lose it's once high standing as the economic superpower it once was or the interest that will accrue from the hefty loan america has taken over the years from them that they cannot afford to pay.

If you want to play fast and loose with the truth thats your choice, but lets cast the revisionism aside for a moment. I suppose social security's solvency is tied to the fact that its scheduled to run out of money within 25 years?

Im not a fan of GWB, never was I always viewed him as a Rino but I do recognize he inherited a situation that no president had until that point. An act of terrorism in NYC that was unprecedented. I understood the need to go into Afghanistan but I didnt agree wholeheartedly with Iraq, I thought the real threat was Iran and I was right.

The wars have cost over a trillion dollars and counting. But candidate Obama railed against the wars and doubled down on both once he got in office and continued without congressional approval in Libya something his predecessor never did.

Now any rational person knows how the economy got to where we are. That was the mortgage crisis. I was in the business I know first hand fraud was rampant on every level. From borrowers and mtg brokers doing liar loans to mortgage banks being complicit via their field reps telling brokers how to package a suspect loan for approval to Wall st who looked the other way because pass the potato didnt end with them.

So when people who had no business getting these loans didnt pay, it caused a domino affect throughout the economy, massive defaults, bankrupting lenders and people couldnt use their homes as atms anymore.


So how did these evil subprime loans get started? Funny you should ask. You see in the 90s BILL CLINTON in conjunction with HUD outlawed redlining and forced the govt lenders to provide low income families loans on a massive scale.

Thus the floodgates opened. And now were drowning in debt. So while yes Bush made plenty of bad decisions, dont try to put the meltdown at his feet and ignore the ineptitude of your idol Bill Clinton.


The economy was doing fine until mid 07, a year and a half before Obama was elected. And what has Obama done since entering office? Funny you should ask. He inherited a half a trillion deficit and QUADRUPLED IT.

Your boy Obama owns this economy and our malaise and he's not going to get what he wants in this standoff and hes not getting re-elected.

You've just been teabagged.

Sorry that's not going to cut it...

How much did the national debt increase under W Bush from the time he took office?

How much of the national debt that has been incurred on Obama's clock has been from residual spending I.E. the two wars (iraq,afghanistan) from the Bush administration?

Hw much more relaxed were regulations on Wall street under Bush's administration?

Did you just think people were dumb enough to think Obama would just from day 1 pull every last dollar out of the middle east to stop the two wars?

The democrats can easily get close to balancing the budget once the Bush tax cuts expire.

So you're a taker on the bet then? Great....

When Obama get's elected for his second term I would like for you to post an Obama avatar and a sig with both Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and refrain from posting in the politics thread for a total of 6 months. I'll let you choose you winnings if he doesn't win... which is a non-issue since he will win. BTW, have you seen the amount of cheddar that Obama has raised? You guys aren't beating that juggernaut. It will be even more of a landslide than it was in 2008.

Nope, loser leaves the board permanenetly. I dont make petty bets. Im all in. Are you?

And that includes Wingo on this bet and a few others. I want all you commie rats out of here once and for all.

[mugzi]

And the rest of your post was downright comical. The president coudlve ended the wars with a stroke of a pen. Or did he not have a democratic congress behind him? LMAO.

And ever hear of the 800 billion dollar stimulus and those shovel ready jobs?

Wasnt that supposed to lower unemployment?

Howd that work out?

Thought so.

He and anyone who supports him is a joke. For someone who disparages teabaggers you must like being teabagged because thats twice now.

[ibraheim718]

And the rest of your post was downright comical. The president coudlve ended the wars with a stroke of a pen. Or did he not have a democratic congress behind him? LMAO.

And ever hear of the 800 billion dollar stimulus and those shovel ready jobs?

Wasnt that supposed to lower unemployment?

Howd that work out?

Thought so.

He and anyone who supports him is a joke. For someone who disparages teabaggers you must like being teabagged because thats twice now.

You don't like to answer questions do you mugzaroni?

The stimulus was too small that was Obama's mistake. And we were so entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan a stroke of the pen wouldn't have accomplished s**T... it would have turned into a PR nightmare at home and abroad.

I'll take the bet... seriously the easiest money I'll make all year.

Unless you get all the hicks and rednecks to give birth to a few hundred thousand brainwashed 18 year olds you guys just simply don't have the numbers. The math isn't on your side.

And the candidates.... Michelle Bachman? Are you serious. Mitt Romney? Him and his truckloads of cash couldn't beat out the old man maverick.

Let's see this time your party will have the Osama Bin Laden card used against you. The fact that not one time has your party decided to dig in and work with the other side. It's been a whole lot of no, no , no. All the while the president has held his hand out on several occasions. You see the way things work is all the nut jobs and wacko's get real loud and crazy in between elections... they actually give two rats about mid term elections in other states but when the presidential election came along they got stomped badly. Because of the youth... the innercity... the minorities. How in the hell has that changed? The kids are still going to come out... the african americans are still going to come out... the mexican americans are still going to come out and vote, vote, vote and you'll lose again and you'll lose again in 2016 and 2020. The republican party is antiquated... it's message has grown stale. Sorry.

[ComboGuardCity]

^^Don't forget the Jewish population is one of the biggest groups in terms of voting blue. The bet is a foolish one for any conservative to take.

[mugzi]

Too small? LMMFAO SO HARD. Oh thats right his last 4 economic advisors who quit on him all thought, "so we go further into debt to get out of debt. Yeah thatll work."

That stimulus cost 217k dollars a job. How many more people would the private sector had employed with that money?

So which propaganda station do you get your news from? CNN, ABC MSNBC, CBS, NBC, NPR, etc etc etc etc?

That must be some good crack your smoking. Dont have the numbers? Did losing 60 congressional seats not tell you something? Its you that wont have the numbers. People are tired of a loser party giving entitlements and spending money like drunken sailors and enacting social programs to pander to a dwindling base.

2010 was a referendum on the dumocrats and the president. And 2012 will put the bum out of office where he belongs, and you off this thread where you belong.

[mugzi]

^^Don't forget the Jewish population is one of the biggest groups in terms of voting blue. The bet is a foolish one for any conservative to take.

Take the bet, lets see who leaves the board for good.

I'll take this bet so long as I get 6 liberals to wager. Whoever loses the 12 election leaves the board for good.

I pick the 6.

Its your one chance to get rid of me, cause none of you can do it with a debate. So lets see if you commies have the guts to close the deal.

[ibraheim718]

Too small? LMMFAO SO HARD. Oh thats right his last 4 economic advisors who quit on him all thought, "so we go further into debt to get out of debt. Yeah thatll work."

That stimulus cost 217k dollars a job. How many more people would the private sector had employed with that money?

So which propaganda station do you get your news from? CNN, ABC MSNBC, CBS, NBC, NPR, etc etc etc etc?

That must be some good crack your smoking. Dont have the numbers? Did losing 60 congressional seats not tell you something? Its you that wont have the numbers. People are tired of a loser party giving entitlements and spending money like drunken sailors and enacting social programs to pander to a dwindling base.

2010 was a referendum on the dumocrats and the president. And 2012 will put the bum out of office where he belongs, and you off this thread where you belong.

Where were those 60 seats lost mugzi? Care to go over them for me?

And 2010 was a referendum on the thousands of people who voted for O who don't give a damn about a congressional election in alabama in 2010.

And so it is written right... we have a bet?

[ibraheim718]

^^Don't forget the Jewish population is one of the biggest groups in terms of voting blue. The bet is a foolish one for any conservative to take.

Take the bet, lets see who leaves the board for good.

I'll take this bet so long as I get 6 liberals to wager. Whoever loses the 12 election leaves the board for good.

I pick the 6.

Its your one chance to get rid of me, cause none of you can do it with a debate. So lets see if you commies have the guts to close the deal.

Care to answer me this.... right now who is the strongest nation in the world when all things are considered the US or China?

[ibraheim718]

^^Don't forget the Jewish population is one of the biggest groups in terms of voting blue. The bet is a foolish one for any conservative to take.

Take the bet, lets see who leaves the board for good.

I'll take this bet so long as I get 6 liberals to wager. Whoever loses the 12 election leaves the board for good.

I pick the 6.

Its your one chance to get rid of me, cause none of you can do it with a debate. So lets see if you commies have the guts to close the deal.

I'm in. count me one.

I'll tell you one thing... my mom and step dad both refused to vote in 08 and both have said they are going to vote for Obama in 2012. To the general public... the real people not some skewed poll... he hasn't done as bad a job as you think at least not symbolically. Speaking of polls... what an enigma... I've never once been asked to partake in one and neither has anyone person I know. Where do they find these people?

[mugzi]

Anyone who votes for Obama is nailing the final nails into the coffin of capitalism. or maybe thats what democrats want. Socialism, because its worked so well for the rest of the world.

The level of ignorance of Obama supporters no I cant call it that- because anyone who watches the news knows what hes doing, its stupidity, is downright horrifying. Guy has been twice as bad as Bush, the economy is twice as bad, the deficit is more than twice as bad, unemployment up not down, socialized medicine, Libya, porous borders, gun running by the ATF to mexican cartels, and on and on and on.

This is the change you were hoping for?

Who here is better off than they were 4 years ago?

[ComboGuardCity]

2.

Seriously, this isn't even a politics thread, its just you flooding the board with long ass propaganda articles. Its like the Heritage's RSS feed. I saw earlier a couple of guys were having a decent conversation and all you can do is call anyone who doesn't agree with you a socialist. Get real. I know you won't keep your word, but whatever.

In your eyes was GB43 a good president? What have the conservatives done wrong? Until you show some sort of balance, its hard to talk to you about anything.

[mugzi]

2 down 4 to go.

Oh so according to dimwitted moron logic then Wingo flooding the thread with trash is news worthy? I forgot that an esteemed scholar like you deems sources to be credible or not.

Your a punk. Always have been always will be. And you wont leave the board when O loses, you'll only leave when you're waived. Which will likely be before the election.

[ComboGuardCity]

2 down 4 to go.

Oh so according to dimwitted moron logic then Wingo flooding the thread with trash is news worthy? I forgot that an esteemed scholar like you deems sources to be credible or not.

Your a punk. Always have been always will be. And you wont leave the board when O loses, you'll only leave when you're waived. Which will likely be before the election.

I haven't seen Wingo comment in this thread, especially to the magnitude you have. Neither side is correct, but you seem to think I'm a raging liberal just because I don't agree with some of your non-sense.

And lol @ me getting waived for the election when you're the one spouting off personal attacks left and right. Honestly, I think this entire thing of yours is just an online persona you like to troll with because this is unreal.

[mugzi]

I said waived before the election, wow for someone in a top 10 "business school" your reading comprehension sucks.

This thread started over 2 years ago. Ive been here since it started before you even dragged your little undescended testes to this website.

And Wingos been there too. Making a fool of himself in the process. But he continues on, and I respect him for that.

You have earned no respect not only on this thread but on this board. You're intellectually lazy, an instigator and downright cowardly.

[ComboGuardCity]

I said waived before the election, wow for someone in a top 10 "business school" your reading comprehension sucks.

This thread started over 2 years ago. Ive been here since it started before you even dragged your little undescended testes to this website.

And Wingos been there too. Making a fool of himself in the process. But he continues on, and I respect him for that.

You have earned no respect not only on this thread but on this board. You're intellectually lazy, an instigator and downright cowardly.

Thanks for focusing on a typo Damon

[mugzi]

Its not a typo when two times now you didnt bother reading a post correctly or didnt understand it. Like I said intellectually lazy.

[ComboGuardCity]

Its not a typo when two times now you didnt bother reading a post correctly or didnt understand it. Like I said intellectually lazy.

Damon, Damon, Damon.