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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#221 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:54 pm

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Norway, of course, is a liberal "tolerant" country that has long since outlawed the death penalty.



Whose murder rate is still much lower than ours (a more conservative country by a good measure).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/IHS-rates-05012009.pdf

Is it time for loosey goosey "other factors" to start weighing in on your argument?

(I did respond to you in the politics thread btw, but it was locked soon after)



Your responses are comical at best and asinine at worse, so pardon me if I laugh at a UN posted "study" to illuminate your point. The same US and Israel hating UN that globalists like you love.

And how are you going to compare a country of 300 million plus to that which is not even ten percent its population size?

And since you're going to try to be slick and point out Norway's anti-gun laws, why dont you post some stats showing the crime rates in nations that dont impose draconian gun measures where citizens actually have the legal right to defend themselves?

Yep.


LOOOOSEY GOOOSEY!!! Especially from the guy comparing Hollywood Florida and Lubbock Texas to Deeetroit and DC and claiming LIBRULISZM as the only difference... all the while refusing to take NYC's declining and LOW crime statistics into account.

Comedy indeed.

And BZZT! no, I don't think the anit gun laws are a significant reason why the murder rates are so low though they probably curb a few heat of the moment incidents as Duetta mentioned. Not enough to account for differences this great.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#222 » by ewingxmanstarks » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:56 pm

You know what Mugzi, your right I'm against the post office too...I just wanted to give the guy something.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#223 » by funkatron101 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:57 pm

mugzi wrote:Im completely against the post office. Their business model is obsolete, unprofitable and its merely another govt agency used to cyphon off funds from taxpayers to people that are largely lazy and inept and cant make it in the real world.

Ive been in post offices all over the country and they're all the same. Indifferent employees who are slow, with attitudes acting like they're doing you a favor.

We dont need the post office anymore and within 20 years it'll cease to exist.

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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#224 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:09 pm

Word. **** the PO!
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#225 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:10 pm

There needs to be some balance in this thread.

-- The threat of domestic terrorist attacks in the United States similar to last week's fatal bombing and assault in Norway is significant and growing, analysts said Monday.

The greatest threat of large-scale attacks come from individuals and small groups of extremists who subscribe to radical Islamic or far right-wing ideologies, said Gary LaFree, director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, or START.

While extremist animal rights and environmental groups also pose threats, those groups either have not tended to seek to kill or have only targeted individuals, according to researchers.

But extremist right-wingers -- from Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to a neo-Nazi accused of trying to bomb a Martin Luther King Day parade this year -- have shown a willingness to target the public, LaFree said.

Such groups are among the fastest-growing extremist organizations in the country, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported in February. Right wing anti-government groups grew by 60% in 2010 over the previous year, the center reported, attributing much of the growth to militia groups.

The group also reported a smaller increase in the number of anti-immigrant vigilante groups, SPLC reported.

The suspect in the Oslo, Norway, bombings published papers on the internet stressing "unity over diversity" and calling for a violent response to a policy of multiculturalism that he said was destroying European society.

Despite the rise of anti-government militia groups and the sovereign citizen movement -- whose adherents say they are not subject to U.S. law or taxation -- highly organized white supremacist groups have suffered setbacks in recent years with some of the movement's leaders imprisoned and others stripped of their resources by civil lawsuits, said Gary Ackerman, research director at START.

But as McVeigh and Terry Nichols showed in the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City -- in which 168 people died -- it doesn't take a large group to pull off a devastating attack.

Most adherents to extremist ideologies are harmless, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino.

"Most of them are not going to do anything but bore their relatives and friends with ridiculous papers and treatises," he said.

But a divisive political climate, often coupled with personal disappointments and a personality receptive to extreme views, can help turn believers into dangerous actors willing to use violence to further their ideological beliefs, Levin said, adding that he believes the greatest threat is not from large organized groups but rather individuals or small cells.

The sense that society is falling apart because of foreign influence is often a lure to people who become members of extremist groups, no matter where those groups fall on the political or religious spectrum, Levin said.

"The notion that the political bonds that used to hold us together are falling apart will cause people to opt out," he said.

But the threat from Islamic terrorism tends to get the lion's share of media coverage, not to mention law enforcement attention, Ackerman of START said.

Ackerman said nationally, law enforcement has been focused since the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon in 2001 on the threat of Islamic terrorism, even as the threat from domestic anti-government groups has been growing.

"Some people believe we have taken our eye off the ball when it comes to domestic right-wing extremists," he said.

And some efforts to combat the problem have been controversial. For instance, the Department of Homeland Security was forced to apologize in 2009 after a report surfaced warning law enforcement of the possibility that veterans returning from combat were susceptible to being radicalized by right-wing groups.

State police also seem more focused on the Islamic threat, Ackerman said.

State police agencies polled by START researchers in 2008 overwhelmingly reported the presence of potentially dangerous extremist groups across the political spectrum, with nearly 90% saying neo-Nazi, skinhead, militia groups and other right-wing groups were present in their state. About two-thirds reported radical Islamic groups.

But they tended to rank Islamic terrorists as the greatest concern ahead of right-wing groups in terms of the threat posed, LaFree said.

"I think there's a little bit of perceptual bias there," he said.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#226 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:11 pm

mugzi wrote:Im completely against the post office. Their business model is obsolete, unprofitable and its merely another govt agency used to cyphon off funds from taxpayers to people that are largely lazy and inept and cant make it in the real world.

Ive been in post offices all over the country and they're all the same. Indifferent employees who are slow, with attitudes acting like they're doing you a favor.

We dont need the post office anymore and within 20 years it'll cease to exist.

Wow. We agree.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#227 » by funkatron101 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:22 pm

So since most of us are in agreement over the USPS, how do we as a society proceed with shutting it down, how do we mitigate the job loss, and how do we structure the mailing system that businesses still rely so heavily on?
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#228 » by Pharmcat » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:28 pm

sure the other are run better, but the costs at usps are better, especially for smaller items to be shipped
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#229 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:29 pm

USPS has already parternered with numerous carriers. Nothings going to happen overnight and I think the job loss will not be any larger than it would be if any other business needed to cut back.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#230 » by mugzi » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:01 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:There needs to be some PROPAGANDA in this thread.

-- The threat of domestic terrorist attacks in the United States similar to last week's fatal bombing and assault in Norway is significant and growing, analysts said Monday.

The greatest threat of large-scale attacks come from individuals and small groups of extremists who subscribe to radical Islamic or far right-wing ideologies, said Gary LaFree, director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, or START.

:lol: Oh you mean a homegrown radical has to be "right wong?" How convienent to the left. I guess eco terrorism is a right wing phenomenon?

While extremist animal rights and environmental groups also pose threats, those groups either have not tended to seek to kill or have only targeted individuals, according to researchers. :lol:

But extremist right-wingers -- from Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to a neo-Nazi accused of trying to bomb a Martin Luther King Day parade this year -- have shown a willingness to target the public, LaFree said.

Why is someone who did something 16 years ago and was non religious or political automatically deemed right wing? And we're to believe this because proof was provided that McVeigh such? LMAO.

Such groups are among the fastest-growing extremist organizations in the country, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported in February. Right wing anti-government groups grew by 60% in 2010 over the previous year, the center reported, attributing much of the growth to militia groups.


Anyone who believes anything a far left America hating group like SPLC has to say is beyond redemption. They are viler than the ACLU.

The group also reported a smaller increase in the number of anti-immigrant vigilante groups, SPLC reported.

The suspect in the Oslo, Norway, bombings published papers on the internet stressing "unity over diversity" and calling for a violent response to a policy of multiculturalism that he said was destroying European society.

Despite the rise of anti-government militia groups and the sovereign citizen movement -- whose adherents say they are not subject to U.S. law or taxation -- highly organized white supremacist groups have suffered setbacks in recent years with some of the movement's leaders imprisoned and others stripped of their resources by civil lawsuits, said Gary Ackerman, research director at START.



And where is these evil extremists groups acts of violence or their holy war? Are they blowing people up? Are they beheading or stoning people to death? Are they killing random civilians on a regular basis?


But as McVeigh and Terry Nichols showed in the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City -- in which 168 people died -- it doesn't take a large group to pull off a devastating attack.

Most adherents to extremist ideologies are harmless, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Code for liberal demagoguery of all things white and non liberal, pc or "intolllllllerant"


"Most of them are not going to do anything but bore their relatives and friends with ridiculous papers and treatises," he said.

But a divisive political climate, often coupled with personal disappointments and a personality receptive to extreme views, can help turn believers into dangerous actors willing to use violence to further their ideological beliefs, Levin said, adding that he believes the greatest threat is not from large organized groups but rather individuals or small cells.

The sense that society is falling apart because of foreign influence is often a lure to people who become members of extremist groups, no matter where those groups fall on the political or religious spectrum, Levin said.

"The notion that the political bonds that used to hold us together are falling apart will cause people to opt out," he said.

But the threat from Islamic terrorism tends to get the lion's share of media coverage, not to mention law enforcement attention, Ackerman of START said.


Hmmm I wonder why?


Ackerman said nationally, law enforcement has been focused since the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon in 2001 on the threat of Islamic terrorism, even as the threat from domestic anti-government groups has been growing.

"Some people believe we have taken our eye off the ball when it comes to domestic LEFT-wing extremists," he said.

There fixed.



And some efforts to combat the problem have been controversial. For instance, the Department of Homeland Security was forced to apologize in 2009 after a report surfaced warning law enforcement of the possibility that veterans returning from combat were susceptible to being radicalized by right-wing groups.

As those far left cretins should have. They should have never invented that dreck in the first place.


State police also seem more focused on the Islamic threat, Ackerman said.

State police agencies polled by START researchers in 2008 overwhelmingly reported the presence of potentially dangerous extremist groups across the political spectrum, with nearly 90% saying neo-Nazi, skinhead, militia groups and other right-wing groups were present in their state. About two-
thirds reported radical Islamic groups.

Why is a neo-nazi whose Nazi party predecessors were left wing socialist fascists now considered right wing? :lol:

But they tended to rank Islamic terrorists as the greatest concern ahead of right-wing groups in terms of the threat posed, LaFree said.

"I think there's a little bit of perceptual bias there," he said.


One last bit of mental trickery from the snarky academic. "Perceptual bias?" LMAO. Well Mr. Lefree, tell you what when Muslims or Im sorry the fringe element extremists who aren't true Muslims renounce their violent ways, then we can focus on the real threat. Those crazy right wing extremists who go around killing their fellow countrymen in suicide bombings, machine gun fire and other methods of mayhem.




Here's a self professed "Im not a liberal, you dont know me" putting up this garbage for the sake of "balance."

I see right through this liberal dreck for what it is. And I had fun picking apart it piece by piece.

You think you can post garbage like that and not get called out on it?

You're so out of your league its hilarious.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#231 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:40 am

Wisdom from beyond the grave. liberals trying to take credit for others ideas what a shock.

For the past few years, liberals have tried various ways to appropriate Ronald Reagan’s legacy. The latest sad attempt has been to enlist the Gipper to defend the notion that the only way to deal with the debt-ceiling crisis is to impose a trillion dollars of new taxes. “I find myself these days quoting Ronald Reagan,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer, California Democrat. ” ‘The full consequences of a default,’ she said, ‘or even the serious prospect of a default by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. … The nation can ill afford to allow such a result.’ ” Last week, MSNBC host Chris Matthews took some of Reagan’s quotes on taxes out of context and chided, “Would Reagan even be a Republican today?” A.B. Stoddard of The Hill said that Ronald Reagan “would not be able to win the Republican party nomination in 2011, period.” Even President Obama got into the act in his Monday night speech. No doubt the 40th president is in heaven smiling sadly and shaking his head. There they go again.

Reagan would never be a willing co-conspirator in a plan to impose the largest tax increase in American history. The big-tax proponents are willfully misrepresenting his views, something easily demonstrated by looking at Reagan’s record. When the debt ceiling was being debated during the 1980 campaign season, Republicans in Congress introduced a plan by then-candidate Reagan that would have tied an across-the-board 10 percent tax cut to any expansion of the government’s ability to borrow. Democrats dismissed this as a campaign stunt, but it accurately reflected Reagan’s policy priorities.

In his speech Monday night Mr. Obama quoted Mr. Reagan speaking August 11, 1982 in Billings. Montana: “Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer.” At that time Mr. Reagan had reluctantly agreed to a deal in which the Democratic Congress promised to reduce spending by $3 for every $1 in new revenue. But this Faustian bargain only demonstrates why House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, is holding the line on taxes today. During the Reagan years, Congress went ahead and imposed the agreed-on taxes but quickly broke the spending-cut pledge and instead pursued even greater budget increases. As Reagan later lamented, “Congress never cut spending by even one penny.”

But Mr. Reagan would not be fooled again. In a 1983 debt-ceiling debate, Reagan threatened to veto any measure that contained tax hikes. “I am unalterably opposed to Congress‘ efforts to raise taxes on individuals and businesses,” he said. His administration “did not come to Washington to raise the peoples’ taxes. We came here to restore opportunity and get this economy moving again. We do not face large deficits because Americans aren’t taxed enough. We face those deficits because the Congress still spends too much.”

The only area in which today’s liberals are eager to slash spending is in America’s military budget, something they also tried during the Reagan era. The Great Communicator, however, was a man of strong principle and straight talk. In a 1987 radio address to the nation, he decried the Democratic drive to weaken America and put the country in more debt. “For those who say further responsible spending reductions are not possible,” Reagan said, “they are wrong. For those who say the only choice is undermining our national security … they are wrong. For those who say more taxes will solve our deficit problems, they are wrong.”

If Mr. Obama and the tax-and-spend liberals want to quote from the Reagan record, let them use that one. They were wrong then, and they are wrong now.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#232 » by Jmonty580 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:37 pm

lol you really strongly dislike your liberals. let me ask you, is there anything that the "liberals" stand for that you can agree with or you think is right?

It good to have an opinion but when your so firm in it that prevents you from hearing other prospectives and actually considering them in a different frame of mind than your own to try and understand where they are coming from its a bit counter productive. Thats the problem I see with the conservatives of today. They are so stuffy and holier than thou that they dont want to show that they have a heart and that they care and that they are working for the good of all in the US, their man goal is to prove that the liberals are mentally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and the way in which they contort their faces and spew words just brings across this ugly feeling of hate and arragance that few like. The ones that can understand it and agree with it sometimes dont even like it. If only people could learn the art of persuasion it would go a long way in closing the gaps. some liberals are this way too, but not hardly as many as on the other side. The Liberal side always seems more open working with others and looking at things differently. That good faith goes a long way in winning people over, if only the other side could learn to channel their emotions and express themselves in a different mannor, some of their views which I thnk are spot on could actually be recieved by others. But when everything comes off as im smart and right and your an idiot, nobody really wants to listen to you.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#233 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:26 pm

There is not a single issue I agree with liberals on, none. They are an anathema to capitalism and freedom as we know it. Their goal is more power for the government and the elitists who control it. They try to impose nanny state regulations at every turn and handcuff business because to them the only business worth running is the business of government.

And you're wrong. Liberals NEVER want to compromise. They use rhetoric to vilify conservatives, as racist or extreme when its they who race bait on a daily basis, its they who use divide and conquer politics to hoodwink the public. Although any person who pays attention to whats going on and still empathizes with their point of view is willfully ignorant.

Ask yourself as a Christian which if any of these liberal positions you agree with. And if its none and you still relate to their platform, ask yourself whats wrong with that picture.

Abortion- liberals support a "woman's right to chooooose" At any time during the pregnancy- yes that includes partial birth abortions.

Economics- Liberals believe the highest earners and job producers as well as those greedy small business owners should be taxed more and more. Because that will provide money for social welfare programs to help the poor unfortunate welfare mothers with 6 kids, who have more kids to get bigger government checks. Or provide healthcare and financial aid for college to illegal immigrants.

Terrorism- Liberals NEVER speak out against radial Islam. They nary mutter the word Islamic terrorist when an attack happens, yet ever since Norway theyve gone out of their way to identify the shooter as "a right wing Christian extremist" at every chance they get.

Dont you see that the very people you are seemingly defending loathe Christians?

Ask a few liberals how they feel about Christianity or Christians in general and see what kind of answers you get.

You dont consort with the enemy, you get rid of them at the ballot box. And we better do it soon before we are bankrupt and permanently screwed.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#234 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:30 pm

Oh and how's this for LIBERAL CIVIL DISCOURSE?

You seriously think these people are open minded and civil Jmonty? Really? Read this hit piece from the NY Slimes, the favorite source of most smug elitist liberals and tell me your thoughts.

New Tone: NY Times Columnist Says Tea Party Is Hezbollah Faction of GOP
GatewayPundit ^ | July 26, 2011 | Jim Hoft

This must be part of that new tone of civil discourse we were promised from the left...

Liberal fascist and far left columnist Thomas Friedman says the tea party is the Hezbollah faction of the Republican Party ready to take the GOP on a suicide mission.

The New York Times reported, via AP:

Alas, that is the Tea Party. It is so lacking in any aspiration for American greatness, so dominated by the narrowest visions for our country and so ignorant of the fact that it was not tax cuts that made America great but our unique public-private partnerships across the generations.

If sane Republicans do not stand up to this Hezbollah faction in their midst, the Tea Party will take the G.O.P. on a suicide mission.


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Post#235 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:37 pm

The republicans are really failing in this crisis. Boehner’s plan was terrible. It doesn’t even work and would have led to immediate problems and possibly major problems 6 months later.

The tea party has made their point about cutting spending made, but they are not reasonable. They are all just the same recording that repeats over and over and does not listen. There’s a major crisis ahead and they are going to have to compromise in order to avert it. Our spending and the dept is a major problem, but it is not something that can be solved overnight or in 6 months.

Its almost like these guys want to deliberately sabotage this country and in essence the entire world economy and bring us back in time to the 18th century. They are fighting everything at a point where we need to come together and agree on something. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the 2012 elections, but in the process they are just making themslves look bad.

The democrats are no saints and the no budget policies have to stop, but at least they have come up with a plan through Reid that meets some of the republicans demands and avoids catastrophe. No new taxes, cut the dept. Its not enough and there’s fools gold savings, but it’s a start.

Fingers can't be pointed either. The rising dept has been a major problem for years. Responsibility falls on both parties. They both say one thing, do another. They all pass bills that spend 3x as much as they need. Wasted spending. Too many breaks are given to big companies that don't need it. Nothing gets solved, just passed on to the next person in line. Typical politics. Everything is to appease the big companies/campaign contributors, get re-elected and tip toe the line. Nobody wants to make the tough decision if its unpopular, even if it’s the right thing to do. Things are run the same way Isiah’s Knicks were run. Inefficient, sub mediocre. Hundreds of millions got wasted while trillions gets wasted here.

As a country we obviously spend way more then we make. We think we need things we don’t need. From home owners to congress to Eddy Curry. We have to make more (legalize pot, prostitution, internet gambling, close tax loop holes, raise taxes) or spend less. (Not to mention the border problem/immigration which falls into both categories and is a huge issue with financial implications).

We are in such a hole that its got to be a combination of the two. And there seems to be reasonable ways to do both. Even if its a short term solution that starts the process. Unfortunately we are in a time when both parties seem to be bickering more then ever.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#236 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:39 pm

But wait, there's more. This is "respected" liberal economist Paul Krugman, calling for conservative views on the debt crisis to be "censored from news reports."

You know who else censored news? Facists and communists.

This is what gets me fired up. These people are enemies of freedom, they are lower than low and I have nothing but contempt for them and their lunacy.

Krugman: Conservative Views About Debt Ceiling Should Be Censored From News Reports
By Noel Sheppard | July 27, 2011

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman on Tuesday said it was a "moral issue" for the press to censor conservative views about the debt ceiling.

Quite shockingly, the Nobel laureate took to his blog to complain that the news media are being too fair and balanced in their coverage of this highly contentious issue:

Watching our system deal with the debt ceiling crisis — a wholly self-inflicted crisis, which may nonetheless have disastrous consequences — it’s increasingly obvious that what we’re looking at is the destructive influence of a cult that has really poisoned our political system.

And no, I don’t mean the fanaticism of the right. Well, OK, that too. But my feeling about those people is that they are what they are; you might as well denounce wolves for being carnivores. Crazy is what they do and what they are.

No, the cult that I see as reflecting a true moral failure is the cult of balance, of centrism.

Wow! Balance and centrism is a "true moral failure":

So what do most news reports say? They portray it as a situation in which both sides are equally partisan, equally intransigent — because news reports always do that.

I'm not sure what news reports Krugman has been watching, but the ones we've been monitoring at NewsBusters concerning this matter have been anything but balanced.

The take for weeks has been that taxes must be raised to solve this problem and that it is the Republicans - and, in particular, Tea Party freshmen in the House - that are refusing to "compromise."

A new Media Research Center study on this issue found that ABC, CBS, and NBC have consistently cast the GOP as the villains in this debate.

But Krugman in his strange world doesn't see it that way:

What all this means is that there is no penalty for extremism; no way for most voters, who get their information on the fly rather than doing careful study of the issues, to understand what’s really going on...And yes, I think this is a moral issue.

So, in Krugman's view, it has become a "moral issue" for the news media to only report the side he agrees with. To solve this, he is advocating the press censor reports attempting to present the view from the right.

And he works for one of the largest newspapers in the country.

It's getting really scary out there, folks.
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Re: Official Politics thread pt. 2 

Post#237 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:44 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:The republicans are really failing in this crisis. Boehner’s plan was terrible. It doesn’t even work and would have led to immediate problems and possibly major problems 6 months later.

The tea party has made their point about cutting spending made, but they are not reasonable. They are all just the same recording that repeats over and over and does not listen. There’s a major crisis ahead and they are going to have to compromise in order to avert it. Our spending and the dept is a major problem, but it is not something that can be solved overnight or in 6 months.

Its almost like these guys want to deliberately sabotage this country and in essence the entire world economy and bring us back in time to the 18th century. They are fighting everything at a point where we need to come together and agree on something. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the 2012 elections, but in the process they are just making themslves look bad.

The democrats are no saints and the no budget policies have to stop, but at least they have come up with a plan through Reid that meets some of the republicans demands and avoids catastrophe. No new taxes, cut the dept. Its not enough and there’s fools gold savings, but it’s a start.

Fingers can't be pointed either. The rising dept has been a major problem for years. Responsibility falls on both parties. They both say one thing, do another. They all pass bills that spend 3x as much as they need. Wasted spending. Too many breaks are given to big companies that don't need it. Nothing gets solved, just passed on to the next person in line. Typical politics. Everything is to appease the big companies/campaign contributors, get re-elected and tip toe the line. Nobody wants to make the tough decision if its unpopular, even if it’s the right thing to do. Things are run the same way Isiah’s Knicks were run. Inefficient, sub mediocre. Hundreds of millions got wasted while trillions gets wasted here.

As a country we obviously spend way more then we make. We think we need things we don’t need. From home owners to congress to Eddy Curry. We have to make more (legalize pot, prostitution, internet gambling, close tax loop holes, raise taxes) or spend less. (Not to mention the border problem/immigration which falls into both categories and is a huge issue with financial implications).

We are in such a hole that its got to be a combination of the two. And there seems to be reasonable ways to do both. Even if its a short term solution that starts the process. Unfortunately we are in a time when both parties seem to be bickering more then ever.


If you think the democrats who have failed to present a budget in 811 days are more sensible than the GOP I have a bridge to sell you.

Boehner is a smuck. He is a pink tie weakling whose cowtowed and is just kicking the can down the road.

Reids plan blows just as bad.

There is no sanity to raising taxes during economic malaise, none. The problem is and has always been a spending problem. The govt spends 1.5 more times per year what it takes in. How is that sustainable?


Its not. And thats why the TEA party emerged. People are sick of graft and corruption from Washington. And no one has emerged with a viable plan to restore our fiscal well being. No one.


CBO Finds Reid Plan Half A Trillion Short Of $2.7 Trillion Promised; Actual Cuts Are $375 B(trunc)
Zero Hedge ^ | 7/27/2011 | Tyler Durden
Posted on Wed Jul 27 2011 10:40:33 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by RightGeek

Yesterday, we roasted Boehner over his proposed deficit-cutting plan after it was discovered that it cut about $250 billion less than had been promised. Now it is time to do the same to Harry Reid, after the CBO has just released its analysis of his so-called "plan", which has double the credibility, and dollar, hole: per the CBO the plan will only generate $2.2 trillion in savings, half a trillion short of the promised $2.7 trillion.

But wait, it gets far, far more idiotic. Per the CBO "The caps on appropriations of new budget authority excluding war-related funding start at $1,045 billion in 2012 and reach $1,228 billion in 2021" - that's right: savings from not fighting future wars - a cool trillion. But why stop there - savings from not declaring war on Mars: $1 quadrillion; savings from not paradropping suitcases full of $1 billion dollar bills for every US citizen: $333 quadrillion, and so forth.

But wait: there's more: "The legislation also would impose caps of $127 billion for 2012 and $450 billion over the 2013-2021 period on budget authority for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and for similar activities."

But wait, there' even more: "Savings in discretionary spending would amount to nearly $1.8 trillion, mandatory spending would be reduced by $41 billion, and the savings in interest on the public debt because of the lower deficits would come to $375 billion."

Gotta love the circularity: less interest payments are part of the actual deficit cuts! So, here's the math: of the $2.2 trillion in "savings" strip away non-savings from non-authorized "wars" and you get... $750 billion... and take out the $375 billion in, no really, interest savings, and you get... $375 billion. OVER TEN YEARS! Is there a wonder why with idiotic leaders like this the true US rating is CCC at best?


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Post#238 » by Jmonty580 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:45 pm

I'm not a liberal I'm not a conservative, i'm a human being with Christian values. I care about all people and I put God first. Thats supposed to be in line with the conservatives, but they dont care about all people only themselves, its shown time and time again they want what works best for them. Them usually consists of well off people who judge and look down on others and want to retain their wealth at all cost. They brain wash some of those who arent well off into following them based on their moral standings which are displayed in their actions. A christian cares for all people, not just their own kind. At least this is how i see it. Can you imagine Jesus saying the poor dont need welfare... they are just lazy people who dont want to work. If I remember correctly Jesus relied on kind souls to feed him and give him lodging. And thats not to say we shouldnt work, but at the same time we should judge and be so quick not to help those who are having a hard time in life. Thats just one example there are many many more where conservatives have shown me that they are a heartless group, as a Christian i cant side with such a people.

Now on the liberal side, they go to the opposite extreme. I do like how they are more caring, but they get to the point of accepting any and everything just to get votes imo and its overboard. I dont agree with abortion, i dont agree with gay marriage, and there are other things as well. And I think there are alot of them that dont believe in that stuff, but they wont say it publically because it will cost them votes. Or they say they believe in gay marriage when they dont simply because there are more votes there.

Thats why I dont believe in our politcal system and I really dont care much about it. Nobody cloesly represents what I believe in. I was born in the US and I'll ride it out here until I dont like it anymore and then I'll leave. Ofcourse other countries have their issues too. Thats why its about my morals and the decisions that i make. i cant control what whoever is elected president, or to senate, or congress decides to do. Its a load of crap and a bunch of guys on both sides that have their own agendas.
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Post#239 » by mugzi » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:51 pm

There are such things as a compassionate conservative. And if Conservatives are so callous why do most Christians identify as such? You do know that we are by far the most charitable nation on earth right? By far.

But the bible in Thessalonians 3.10 also says he who does not work shall not eat. So lets not go there and make an analogy that Jesus would be handing out welfare checks cause you and I both know thats not true.

Now Im an independent conservative. I will never ever vote for a democrat but I also do not support much of the GOP as it operates today. I havent left the party, I felt the party has left me. But that doesnt mean I wont defend conservative values against liberals who are devoid of them.
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Post#240 » by seren » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:04 pm

Going through the two plans, I am endorsing the Boehner plan. It has no immediate cuts and it cuts less. It is idiotic to cut when the economy is shrinking, so I rather see Boehner's less cutting plan.

I also understand why Tea Partiers oppose Boehner plan. In all reality, it won't have much effect at all on either the budget deficit or the spending.

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