Official Politics thread pt. 2

[richardhutnik]

New Testament scripture of the moment, found when I was trying to google "Busybody" seeing if it referred to people who troll in forums on the Internet...
http://www.victorious.org/gossip.htm

Romans 1:28 “Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips,
1:30 Slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these things but also approve of those who practice them.”

- Rich

[ibraheim718]

Hey mugzi I have 2 questions for you. And please be so kind as to try and just answer the questions ok? Thanks...

If any politician (candidate) of your choice would have won the election in 2008 would they not have "double downed" in Afghanistan and Iraq during their first term as president?

And

We know it to be fact that the tax payer funded bailout was put into action by a republican president and his treasure secretary right? There is no debate about that... So my second question is since the country was losing roughly 700,000 jobs per month BEFORE Obama took office and the Bush tax Cuts were not creating any jobs (like I said above we were in fact losing jobs) what would you have wanted your candidate to do that would've turned the economy around? Lower taxes even more?

[knicks82023]

Really Mugzi?

You claim to be an "independent conservative" but toe the company line in EVERY topic republicans support. If one Republican even moves slightly to the center, you label them a RINO.

You claim the government can't create jobs, is too big, and should get out of the way bc the free market is always better, then you chastise Obama for NASA laying people off. Why not let the free market create their own NASA then?

You criticize Muslims yet dismiss the actions of the crazy Norway shooter as liberals piling on a Christian. I think extremism in any form is dangerous, doesn't matter the religion. Yes you hear a lot about the Middle East, and I don't think anyone denies that there's a serious problem. But you can't lump all Muslims together, just like I wouldn't identify you with the shooter in Norway just bc you are both Christians.

You blame Obama for "Obamacare" but fail to accept the fact that instead of working with Obama to make meaningful healthcare reform, the Republicans took the position of "anything Obama wants, we oppose" (not to say the Democrats are not guilty of doing this in the past as well). Health care reform is needed very badly. I don't think "Obamacare" was great, but it could have been if people could just put stupid party politics aside and try to do what is best for the country.

I'm actually not opposed to a balanced budget amendment (though it's sad that it's needed), but at this point the most important thing is making sure that the US is not allowed to default. Neither plan is great, but again partisanship has brought us to this point. You claim that Obama's economic policies have created an uncertain an business environment which hurts the economy. I agree that there's definitely things he can do to get out of the way of businesses to allow them to grow (although I support the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau).

However you support Boehner's debt reduction package which just keeps the economy in an uncertain position that it's in now, where we have this same stupid down-to-the-wire votes to keep us from defaulting. I think both plans play a lot of politics, but at least with the democratic plan, you know what to expect for an extended period of time.

You're "we must defeat them at all costs" attitude is exactly what's wrong with Washington. If both parties could just overcome the partisanship and act in the best interests of the country, we would all be better off (and that includes entitlement reform and tax reform). Rarely is ever is one side completely right in any dispute. Just ask any Judge worth a damn, and they can tell you that the truth lies somewhere in the middlemost of the time.

I also hate how the person elected President no longer commands respect in general. At my company, if the President said "we need to cut X dollars and figure out the best way to do it in 24 hours, not one person would get any sleep, and you can be damn sure we would have the best possible plan ready and waiting. When our President (whether you agree with him or not) says we need a bipartisan package by next week, neither party seems to care really about antyhing other than pandering to their base. That's just not a recipe for success.

If there were a viable Republican candidate running against President Obama in 2012, I'd consider voting for them. However President Obama could very well end up getting my vote by default (esp if Bachmann is the Rep. candidate.)

[HarthorneWingo]

LMAO, McCain-D AZ, RINO traitor, aka reason why Obama got elected is talking smack?

With friends like this, who needs liberals?

Did you see the mea culpe re-write when McCain was on Sean Insanity's show? More than anything else, it was pitiful and pathtetic to watch McCain, who at least some would call a war hero and who has dedicated his life to public service, take a beatdown from that little weasel who's never served a day of his miserable life in the armed services. And McCain just sat there and took it.

But don't believe me. Let's go to the video tape.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJChj7kDJ4[/youtube]

[ibraheim718]

LMAO, McCain-D AZ, RINO traitor, aka reason why Obama got elected is talking smack?

With friends like this, who needs liberals?

Did you see the mea culpe re-write when McCain was on Sean Insanity's show? More than anything else, it was pitiful and pathtetic to watch McCain, who at least some would call a war hero and who has dedicated his life to public service, take a beatdown from that little weasel who's never served a day of his miserable life in the armed services. And McCain just sat there and took it.

But don't believe me. Let's go to the video tape.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJChj7kDJ4[/youtube]

I thought Mccain handled himself pretty good... it was obvious to me that Mccain who has been in DC for a very very long time actually understands how things work over there and hannity doesn't have a clue. And how does little weasel... that little snake... that pathetic piece of human existence have the nerve to say it was O who bailed the banks out????? It was Bush and Paulson ya schmuck of a little troll.... Honestly... I don't profess to be some patron saint.. never have and I never will but I would love to have the chance to put my hands around Hannity's neck and squeeze the life out of him.... sorry but that's how much I despise this man... his weasily voice... his hand gestures.... his hair sprayed hair. Please forgive me.

[GONYK]

LMAO, McCain-D AZ, RINO traitor, aka reason why Obama got elected is talking smack?

With friends like this, who needs liberals?

Did you see the mea culpe re-write when McCain was on Sean Insanity's show? More than anything else, it was pitiful and pathtetic to watch McCain, who at least some would call a war hero and who has dedicated his life to public service, take a beatdown from that little weasel who's never served a day of his miserable life in the armed services. And McCain just sat there and took it.

But don't believe me. Let's go to the video tape.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJChj7kDJ4[/youtube]

I thought Mccain handled himself pretty good... it was obvious to me that Mccain who has been in DC for a very very long time actually understands how things work over there and hannity doesn't have a clue. And how does little weasel... that little snake... that pathetic piece of human existence have the nerve to say it was O who bailed the banks out????? It was Bush and Paulson ya schmuck of a little troll.... Honestly... I don't profess to be some patron saint.. never have and I never will but I would love to have the chance to put my hands around Hannity's neck and squeeze the life out of him.... sorry but that's how much I despise this man... his weasily voice... his hand gestures.... his hair sprayed hair. Please forgive me.

How did McCain handle himself well exactly? He showed some balls yesterday and went after the Tea Party, and then on the show today, he totally tucked those same balls in and kissed up to them while letting Hannity play him like a marionette. All McCain did was show he was a pu$$y.

I completely agree on Hannity though. The guy is scum, and not just because of where he works. I find him sketchy as a person.

[ibraheim718]

The swine on the right love to bash the stimulus and most voted against it and yet when no was listening they were begging for the very money they B**ch about every day.

On the same morning in February 2009 that President Barack Obama promoted the federal economic stimulus plan in Fort Myers, U.S. Rep. Connie Mack, a Republican from Lee County, appeared on MSNBC’s Morning Joe to criticize that same legislation.

In a letter to Obama that was read on the cable news channel, Mack described the bill as being full of “earmarks, pork-driven projects and liberal-spending programs.”
But seven months later, Mack wrote a letter to the U.S. Department of Transportation asking for $29 million in stimulus funds to improve railroad infrastructure in his district.

Other Florida Republicans, who warned that the stimulus plan was part of a tax-and-spend culture in Washington, D.C., that would bankrupt the nation, shared Mack’s view. They cited that belief in casting votes against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in January 2009.


In late January 2009, U.S. Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Palm Harbor, told a Tampa Bay area cable news channel that the stimulus bill was “a lot of pork,” but in September of that year, he asked for a piece — $16 million in highway funds to widen Tampa’s Bruce B. Downs Boulevard, a major thoroughfare in his district.
Bilirakis did not respond to requests for comment.

U.S. Rep. Ander Crenshaw, R-Jacksonville, was among Florida’s lettermarking lawmakers. In January 2009, Crenshaw said his vote against the stimulus was “a vote against debt and big government.”

Yet, in October of that year, he authored letters asking the administration to use stimulus dollars to fund two major transportation projects in his distric

Three Miami Republicans — U.S. Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen — criticized the scope of the stimulus package, but they banded together in September 2009 by signing a letter that requested $106 million in stimulus funds for a project to improve Miami’s NW 25th Street Viaduct.

In a January 2009 statement, U.S. Rep. Adam Putnam, R-Bartow, expressed disgust for what he called a “pork-laden pie,” only to request part of that pie in August 2009 for a biorefinery project at his alma mater, the University of Florida.

On Oct. 21, 2009, LeMieux devoted his first speech as senator to what he called “our nation’s spending problem,” which he described as “out of control” and “unsustainable.”

LeMieux did not mention that on the day before his speech, he had written a letter to the Transportation Department in which he asked for more than $65 million for a bus and train center in Jacksonville.

Stearns voted against the stimulus bill, telling a gathering of fiscal conservatives that “too many members (of Congress) do not realize the serious threat of excessive federal spending and borrowing.”

But in September 2009, eight months after the stimulus vote, the Ocala Republican wrote a letter to Transportation Department officials requesting $79 million in stimulus money for a project to improve infrastructure of a port in Jacksonville.

http://www.wusf.usf.edu/news/2010/10/18 ... _for_money

[ibraheim718]

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How did McCain handle himself well exactly? He showed some balls yesterday and went after the Tea Party, and then on the show today, he totally tucked those same balls in and kissed up to them while letting Hannity play him like a marionette. All McCain did was show he was a pu$$y.

I completely agree on Hannity though. The guy is scum, and not just because of where he works. I find him sketchy as a person.

To me it just didn't seem like Hannity countered any of MCcain's points. Mccain said he was there in 1985 and saw the same thing... and Hannity just glossed over it. We all interpret things differently. I saw Hannity constantly trying to interrupt Mccain but Mccain seemed to have his thoughts together and just kept talking.

[ibraheim718]

The conservative right care about five things and five things only....

Abolishing abortion, putting an stop to gay marriage, not paying taxes, Guns and Christ. That's it.

[GONYK]

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How did McCain handle himself well exactly? He showed some balls yesterday and went after the Tea Party, and then on the show today, he totally tucked those same balls in and kissed up to them while letting Hannity play him like a marionette. All McCain did was show he was a pu$$y.

I completely agree on Hannity though. The guy is scum, and not just because of where he works. I find him sketchy as a person.

To me it just didn't seem like Hannity countered any of MCcain's points. Mccain said he was there in 1985 and saw the same thing... and Hannity just glossed over it. We all interpret things differently. I saw Hannity constantly trying to interrupt Mccain but Mccain seemed to have his thoughts together and just kept talking.

I guess, but it seemed to me that Hannity really wasn't there to debate points. He brought on McCain to shame him for going after the TP, and once he got McCain to back down the first time, he just kept piling it on. McCain appeared to be aware of what Hannity was doing, but did nothing to stop it, because he didn't want to further draw the ire of the Tea Party/Fox News. So he took it on the chin with a smile. I bet he cursed Hannity under his breath when the cameras were off...

Like you said though, I guess we interpret things differently.

[ibraheim718]

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How did McCain handle himself well exactly? He showed some balls yesterday and went after the Tea Party, and then on the show today, he totally tucked those same balls in and kissed up to them while letting Hannity play him like a marionette. All McCain did was show he was a pu$$y.

I completely agree on Hannity though. The guy is scum, and not just because of where he works. I find him sketchy as a person.

To me it just didn't seem like Hannity countered any of MCcain's points. Mccain said he was there in 1985 and saw the same thing... and Hannity just glossed over it. We all interpret things differently. I saw Hannity constantly trying to interrupt Mccain but Mccain seemed to have his thoughts together and just kept talking.

I guess, but it seemed to me that Hannity really wasn't there to debate points. He brought on McCain to shame him for going after the TP, and once he got McCain to back down the first time, he just kept piling it on. McCain appeared to be aware of what Hannity was doing, but did nothing to stop it, because he didn't want to further draw the ire of the Tea Party/Fox News. So he took it on the chin with a smile. I bet he cursed Hannity under his breath when the cameras were off...

Like you said though, I guess we interpret things differently.

I just expected it be way worse. That was probably it.

[GONYK]

Thought this was interesting...



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/28/us/charting-the-american-debt-crisis.html?ref=global-home

[duetta]

We'll be dealing with the legacy of the Bushwacker for probably a decade or more to come.

[Striders]

True, Republicans insist that Mr. Obama is a leftist seeking a government takeover of the economy, but they would, wouldn’t they? The facts, should anyone choose to report them, say otherwise.

So what’s with the buzz about a centrist uprising? As I see it, it’s coming from people who recognize the dysfunctional nature of modern American politics, but refuse, for whatever reason, to acknowledge the one-sided role of Republican extremists in making our system dysfunctional. And it’s not hard to guess at their motivation. After all, pointing out the obvious truth gets you labeled as a shrill partisan, not just from the right, but from the ranks of self-proclaimed centrists.

But making nebulous calls for centrism, like writing news reports that always place equal blame on both parties, is a big cop-out — a cop-out that only encourages more bad behavior. The problem with American politics right now is Republican extremism, and if you’re not willing to say that, you’re helping make that problem worse.

And this gem:

Some of us have long complained about the cult of “balance,” the insistence on portraying both parties as equally wrong and equally at fault on any issue, never mind the facts. I joked long ago that if one party declared that the earth was flat, the headlines would read “Views Differ on Shape of Planet.” But would that cult still rule in a situation as stark as the one we now face, in which one party is clearly engaged in blackmail and the other is dickering over the size of the ransom?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/opini ... ut.html?hp

[seren]

At this point, I came to the conclusion that Obama was a mistake. We should have gone with Hillary.

[funkatron101]

At this point, I came to the conclusion that Obama was a mistake. We should have gone with Hillary.

Nothing would have changed. The only difference would be snarky attacks based on her gender.

[seren]

At this point, I came to the conclusion that Obama was a mistake. We should have gone with Hillary.

Nothing would have changed. The only difference would be snarky attacks based on her gender.

Attacks will be there whoever the Democratic president would be. That is how GOP operates. What we needed is someone with a backbone.

[Striders]

Bill Nye talks to Fox News as if they're a bunch of children when explaining science. Hilarious clip.

JON SCOTT: Does it go, you know, anywhere close to the climate change debate that's underway here on earth? I mean, you know, if the moon had --

BILL NYE: Well, it does for me.

SCOTT: -- had erupting volcanoes, a few years, well, a few million years ago, however you want to put it --

NYE: No, billion.

SCOTT: -- you know, it's not like we've been up there burning fossil fuels.

NYE: Uh, no, volcanoes are not connected to the burning of fossil fuels, it's connected to mining, but the big thing for us, on my side of this thing, is the science is true, and so when you discover -- the people who got really got involved in climate change, got involved in it often by studying Venus, the planet Venus. So the physics, the science that happens on Venus, is the same as the science that happens on the earth, the science that happens on the moon, in this case the geology the study of rocks, that happens on the moon, is the same science that happens on the earth. So when you say to yourself, well, I'm going to ignore all the evidence of climate change, you're saying, I'm going to ignore the best ideas anybody's ever had, that's science. And so this is quite troubling to those of us on our side of it.

SCOTT: Why aren't they erupting now?

NYE: Well the moon cooled off, that's a great question. That's a fabulous question. The moon is quite a bit smaller than the earth so it cools off faster.

http://motherboard.tv/2011/7/28/beautif ... o-fox-news

[funkatron101]

Bill Nye talks to Fox News as if they're a bunch of children when explaining science. Hilarious clip.

http://motherboard.tv/2011/7/28/beautif ... o-fox-news

That anchor is an idiot. He is really an adult child, and Bill Nye treats him appropriately. lol.

It's funny when I can fully understand what a scientist is talking about and then listen to the anchors spout verbal diarrhea immediately after.

[JJ Hustles]

You are overly optimistic about GOP. The way I see it is a political theater. I don't think they are doing this move for what you say they are doing. I simply do not believe in the sincerity of GOP on the budget deficit issue.

If you look at Boehner's plan, the immediate cuts for this fiscal year is only 5 billion dollars as opposed to 30 billion that Reid's plan call for and real cuts don't come until 2014. Why is it so low? Because Boehner as well knows that cutting spending is idiotic during a recession and it will simply increase unemployment even more. He knows Congress will be blamed if they ask for more and actually get it and the economy tanks deeper.

Make no mistake. All these deficit talks will end the moment Obama leaves the office. As the almighty Cheney says: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter".

I think now that the deficit is 14.6 trillion it does matter.

I agree that both plans are gimmicks...no one is cutting entitlements before an election, but I think the GOP will make cuts when they have the power to.

You can"t say the GOP isn't serious when they passed Ryan"s budget, which had 6 trillion in real cuts.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52529.html