Official Politics thread pt. 2

[kane2021]

Im going to just keep it real.

This thread is not monitored that closely. And the reason for that is so that you guys have a place to express your opinions freely.

Politics and religion is sensitive. But in this thread you guys can be a little more free about how you feel without people breathing down your neck.

However,...reports keep coming in about posts in this thread. Im a grown man. Most of you here I know from the site and I know you are grown men as well. So you dont need to be lectured. You guys have to keep it a bit cleaner.

People are reporting posts in this thread as offensive. Then myself and other mods have to read through it. And determine who is right and who is wrong. Bump all that man. Feel me? Just keep it proper. Please. I got love for some of you guys. I dont want to see nothing happen.

Be free. But as you guys know. Freedom comes with limitations. I hate that ****. But its just the way it is. Just like I hate getting messages that I need to come in here and discipline dudes. **** all that yo. Be cool.

[mugzi]

Hey Kane, thanks for stopping in. Im not a snitch, I fight my own battles and have no problem settling an argument on a thread, but I do know that some people who claim to be tolerant, have no tolerance and they are the ones whining about "offensive posts".

I have no doubt that Im subject of some of that which you mentioned, and I'll be real I apologize for nothing. All any of us have is our own opinions, be they right or left. And at the end of the day, all any American should want is freedom and prosperity and to be left the F alone by our govt.

But I will make an effort in the future even when baited to remain civil. Its not always easy, my instincts and upbringing taught me to stand up for my principles and not back down from a fight but at the end of the day all this thread really does is serve as a pizzing match between people that will never agree with each other.

So with that being said thanks for the heads up, and I will do my best not to engage in battles that can't ever be won or lost.

[HarthorneWingo]

Hey Kane, thanks for stopping in. Im not a snitch, I fight my own battles and have no problem settling an argument on a thread, but I do know that some people who claim to be tolerant, have no tolerance and they are the ones whining about "offensive posts".

I have no doubt that Im subject of some of that which you mentioned, and I'll be real I apologize for nothing. All any of us have is our own opinions, be they right or left. And at the end of the day, all any American should want is freedom and prosperity and to be left the F alone by our govt.

But I will make an effort in the future even when baited to remain civil. Its not always easy, my instincts and upbringing taught me to stand up for my principles and not back down from a fight but at the end of the day all this thread really does is serve as a pizzing match between people that will never agree with each other.

So with that being said thanks for the heads up, and I will do my best not to engage in battles that can't ever be won or lost.

[mugzi]

Case in point. The civil liberal.

[kane2021]

Hey Kane, thanks for stopping in. Im not a snitch, I fight my own battles and have no problem settling an argument on a thread, but I do know that some people who claim to be tolerant, have no tolerance and they are the ones whining about "offensive posts".

I have no doubt that Im subject of some of that which you mentioned, and I'll be real I apologize for nothing. All any of us have is our own opinions, be they right or left. And at the end of the day, all any American should want is freedom and prosperity and to be left the F alone by our govt.

But I will make an effort in the future even when baited to remain civil. Its not always easy, my instincts and upbringing taught me to stand up for my principles and not back down from a fight but at the end of the day all this thread really does is serve as a pizzing match between people that will never agree with each other.

So with that being said thanks for the heads up, and I will do my best not to engage in battles that can't ever be won or lost.

Yeah. You are subject of some of the posts. And you know thats no news. I know you handle yours. And some of the dudes you get into it with, keep it real. And settle it with no problems.

Im no cop. **** that. Im just a street **** doing what i can cause I know we got some young bloods that like to use the sight. For the most part **** here are grown. Im not trying to be put in no spot where i have to come at one of yall. I dont want to. I rather yall speak freely and keep that adult respect.

But some of this **** is going over the top. Im no one to tell a man where his limits are. Im not going to tell a man not to swing. Its not just you. But some people are taking sensitivity to this thread.

Some of it is understandable when you consider circumstances. Some of it is just **** biting off more than they can chew. And some of it is just a man going to the extreme to defend himself.

Im not going to point fingers and call out names. You already knew and respect has BEEN granted. Not for others to confuse that with a free pass. Because its not that. Its just that,... for me personally, I rely on you and the few others to police this **** among yourselves. I dont come in here looking for dudes that need to be got. But some dudes are having trouble with the freedoms allowed. And some dudes, yourself included, are allowing those freedoms to go a step further in your responses.

I dont give a ****. To me politics and religion is a hot a topic. Period. Thats just me. The way I see it is its designed for dudes to disagree. Thats what makes it good for some. And bad for others. I dont want to have to come in here and and have to choose who is right and who is wrong over a disagreement. We way above that. Feel me? Most of yall can handle your biz. But if you recognize someone cant, or you feel its bout to blow, let it go. Or let me know. I would rather step in and defuse some **** than have to come in on some cop **** after the fact. Thats not me. I just like for dudes to respect each other.

I responded to you. I know you and you know me. You responded to my post because of that. This response is in general to the users of this thread. Its not even a warning like that. Its just a reminder to the masses. Keep it cool. Cats the come in here got a lot of respect. Its all good to do what yall do. But when it goes past all good, ..... yo,.. I just dont want to have to be the one. Simple as that. Like I said im no cop. I did this mod thing to be a peace keeper and a defender of our boards. Not to be judge and jury.

Like I said im not mad or calling for heads. Im just saying. Keep it cool fellas. Cause the block is hot. Now im turning my back. I know yall understand.

[mugzi]

Point taken, thanks again for speaking on it.

[kane2021]

Hey Kane, thanks for stopping in. Im not a snitch, I fight my own battles and have no problem settling an argument on a thread, but I do know that some people who claim to be tolerant, have no tolerance and they are the ones whining about "offensive posts".

I have no doubt that Im subject of some of that which you mentioned, and I'll be real I apologize for nothing. All any of us have is our own opinions, be they right or left. And at the end of the day, all any American should want is freedom and prosperity and to be left the F alone by our govt.

But I will make an effort in the future even when baited to remain civil. Its not always easy, my instincts and upbringing taught me to stand up for my principles and not back down from a fight but at the end of the day all this thread really does is serve as a pizzing match between people that will never agree with each other.

So with that being said thanks for the heads up, and I will do my best not to engage in battles that can't ever be won or lost.

WINGO!

You not a prosecutor man!

[superjay779]

I don't get it. Can't people just ignore Mugzi.

[HarthorneWingo]

Kane, sometimes (and only sometimes), mugzi makes me laugh.

[ibraheim718]

Hey mugzi I have 2 questions for you. And please be so kind as to try and just answer the questions ok? Thanks...

If any politician (candidate) of your choice would have won the election in 2008 would they not have "double downed" in Afghanistan and Iraq during their first term as president?

And

We know it to be fact that the tax payer funded bailout was put into action by a republican president and his treasure secretary right? There is no debate about that... So my second question is since the country was losing roughly 700,000 jobs per month BEFORE Obama took office and the Bush tax Cuts were not creating any jobs (like I said above we were in fact losing jobs) what would you have wanted your candidate to do that would've turned the economy around? Lower taxes even more?

[ibraheim718]

I don't get it. Can't people just ignore Mugzi.

How would that be fun?

[ibraheim718]

Honestly... I can talk politics and religion and still be friends with that person for the most part. In the grand scheme of things the actual inhaling and exhaling of oxygen is the only thing that matters. The breath mugzi... breathe deeply through the nostrils into the abdomen. Then forget about politics for a few days and you'll see it doesn't really matter.

[superjay779]

I don't get it. Can't people just ignore Mugzi.

How would that be fun?

I think Mugzi is great. I'm just saying the people complaining about him can just put him on ignore. I put lots of people on ignore. Just curious why people have to complain about him when they can just put him on ignore.

[ComboGuardCity]

For the record, I did not mod alert Mugzi.

[kane2021]

I don't get it. Can't people just ignore Mugzi.

Well, if the difference in opinion is that strong, it would be better to take your advice.

Its not just Mugzi though. I didnt come in here to point him out. It just so happens that he was man enough to except his responsibility in his role when he saw the post. Thats says a lot. And he knows he didnt have to prove himself to me or anyone. He is a good dude.

Really, its not about Mugzi or myelf at all. Cause I can care less about what yall do in this thread. Again, thats why its here like the comunity thread. Its a place to speak freely about subjects you are pasinate about.

Fun fact. There has never once been a report about a post in the comminty thread. And I feel some dudes have stepped over the line in it. But it was always handled correctly among individuals.

Obviously the subjects here are deeper. But still. I dont see these suits banging out on TV. Maybe they should but they dont. So dont allow their opinions to let you get caught into their system.

What im saying here extends beyond this board now. This is life im speaking on. You may feel like this or like that. But you still walk the streets as a individual. Regardless.

I have read the bible. I have read the Qur'an. I dont follow one or the other. There is knowledge in both that supports one another if you want to live. But I have never in my life judged a person for strictly living by one only. Because I feel if something allows you to live in a positive manner then its good. And no one has a right to tell you other wise.

Because if you think or know its BS, you dont have a right to sway that man. Even if you are god. Being god and understanding this power humbles you to know that positive is positive so long as you follow the path that makes you good. Now if you tell a man what makes him good is bad you are planting a seed of negativity. Knocking that man off his path. Thats a sin under any understanding.

However, you have people that feel its there duty to make you think other wise. Now,...I feel this is wrong.

Example. I have seen Mugzi have strong opinions of the bible. I could be wrong. But he seems to follow this to lead a positive life. He is still alive till this day. He respects those who respect him even after difference so long as the respect remains.

I know what he follows but I do not follow it. He knows I do not follow it. But there is still a strong respect between us.

Without getting into specifics, 2 people have 2 totally different perspectives. And these 2 people use these perspectives to live. To survive. Respect one another. And still have much in common. Thats life. And its special once the blinders are removed but the respect for individuality remains.

Now lets disassociate the 2 individuals from the conversation and ask a question. Why cant we all respect and love each other this way? After all. Its about living. Right?

I dont believe in none of this stuff yall speak on here. I have been through the system. I am labeled a criminal and have had constitutional rights stripped away because of it. I have been introduced to god, lived the path told to, and have been disappointed.

So I follow my own knowing I have control due to understanding of self. With this understanding comes responsibility. The responsibility is very simple. Swaying another man off his path of good is wrong. Dont matter if his path conflicts with mine. We have something in common and share a common goal. We are man and want to live happily.

There is a very serious problem in society today. Its very serious. Almost critical. Some beliefs refuse to acknowledge it out of fear that it will corrupt history.

We are man. And we evolve. How we got to this point is irreverent. But we are at this point. Right now. And we are living under rules and guidelines that were set hundreds of years ago. When birds were phones and when horses where really horse power.

We have evolved sense the original scriptures. Yet these scriptures have not evolved with us. And its causing conflict.

Right wing left wing. I dont even know what that means. Muslim. Christian. Its all for the same cause under the same person just different paths following different profits ways of life. I lite a cigar and max. Wondering why the divide. Wondering,.....no,....knowing,..there is a group out there that has the answers. Thats has the solutions. But leaves us in the dark. Because we are pests in the grand scheme.

When the day comes we will be stripped of these beliefs and separations. And be man. While we argue over these subjects, those in the know prepare for life looking past us.

We argue over these separations. Wasting valuable time for preparation. Is it by design? Is it a coincidence that you are taught to believe in a belief system that prepares you for life after life when you have no control of the present? Teaching you to follow the rules so you will be excepted when you are gone?

Wow. I went way past the point. I didnt mean to use your post to do this. This is not a direct question to you. Or anyone. These are things that go though my mind. And went through my mind reflecting on this thread. Just food for thought.

No one is right or wrong. Only five percent know. Thats not a advertisement either. If the number offends you replace it with the word small. Because thats us. Small. Living in a large world under a large percentage that are not privileged enough to make it. Unless you believe in life after death. And if so respect due to your soul. Enjoy this time. Be lucky not to be cursed.

Because this **** sucks. Not to say my knowledge is king. Because that dont matter. What matters is your knowledge allows you to live. Im just saying. We are still people. We are still man. We will still end. Where we go dont matter. We still have to live with each other until then.

Peace to the people and the earth. And the sun that keeps us enlightened. Im going to sleep. Its 4 am. I have been typing for a minute. Why? I dont **** know. I just felt like I should. I just hope it stimulated thought.

[ComboGuardCity]

Completely serious here, Kane, you should look into Motivational speaking if you already haven't.

[kane2021]

Completely serious here, Kane, you should look into Motivational speaking if you already haven't.

I would like to. I would love to speak at high schools in north carolina using my experiences in the city to keep these kids on the right path. But my record keeps me from doing it. Unless there is a angle I dont know about.

I used to do this in music. But I lost passion for hip hop. So I would love to do good other wise. Anyway. Its not about me. I just wanted to try and restore peace here.

[Capn'O]

Aw man, who called in the fuzz?

Not that I mind Kane's raps. Kane - I can almost guarantee you didn't lose the passion for hip hop but rather for the biz, no?

We'll try'n keep it civil. I got a lil' salty the other day because the incivility spilled over to the Norway thread. If anywhere, this is the place for really hashing things out...

[Capn'O]

I think the difference between Bin Laden and Anders is that one lead an uprising while the other acted alone. The common bond is that they are both religious fanatics who falsely rely on verbiage from their respective religious texts. One was a Christian terrorist, the other a Muslim.

The bolded and that has been my central point. I'm less convinced that religion was as central to what Anders pulled. A strong religious empire-state with strict religious law is central to Al Qaeda's platform. It is the end goal and there is a collective interest in this goal that is much stronger and organized than the garble Anders put out. They are no friend to the secular Muslim state either. Upon further review, I do not believe that a Fundamentalist empire is what Anders wanted - if he even knew what it was that he really wanted.

I think there is a tendency to want to lump these actions together under the same heading and motives to draw attention to the unjustified backlash against Islam generally over the past ten years. This doesn't really stand up to intellectual scrutiny. These guys are ideologically pretty far apart but that is more academic than anything else.

Any way you slice it neither Anders nor Al Qaeda are indicative of the religion they belong to at large.

[mugzi]

Hey mugzi I have 2 questions for you. And please be so kind as to try and just answer the questions ok? Thanks...

If any politician (candidate) of your choice would have won the election in 2008 would they not have "double downed" in Afghanistan and Iraq during their first term as president?

And

We know it to be fact that the tax payer funded bailout was put into action by a republican president and his treasure secretary right? There is no debate about that... So my second question is since the country was losing roughly 700,000 jobs per month BEFORE Obama took office and the Bush tax Cuts were not creating any jobs (like I said above we were in fact losing jobs) what would you have wanted your candidate to do that would've turned the economy around? Lower taxes even more?

We dont elect leaders anymore. We elect politicians. Reagan was a leader. JFK was a leader.

When candidate Obama says one thing then as president does another, thats duplicitous and tells me he's not a leader he's a politician and a liar- well those two words are synonymous. Yeah I know its hard to accept when the D is next to his name, but his actions should match his rhetoric.

But in Oct. 2007, Obama supported removing all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months, saying, “I will remove one or two brigades a month, and get all of our combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months. The only troops I will keep in Iraq will perform the limited missions of protecting our diplomats and carrying out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. And I will launch the diplomatic and humanitarian initiatives that are so badly needed. Let there be no doubt: I will end this war.” The quote appears on the campaign’s Web site.
Source: FactCheck.org on 2008 first Presidential debate Sep 26, 2008

And McCain was not my candidate, nor my choice. I didnt vote for him or anyone for that matter. In fact I dont vote because there's no one I can support that represents my interests and values. Plus I dont want to get called for jury duty and registering to vote is a quick way to make that happen.

But I dont have a problem with these wars if there's a clear exit strategy in mind, and the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT aren't so ridiculous that our soldiers are handcuffed from doing their jobs because of fear of a court martial.

And secondly, regarding TARP. I think many of you liberals mistake me for a republican. I have always defined myself as an independent conservative. When push comes to shove I do support the GOP over democrats because I know they are the lesser of two evils, but I also believe both parties are part of the problem and not the solution. If I had my way, Id like to see the tea party emerge as a viable 3rd party to elect a strong fiscal conservative or one of those crazy right wing radicals you guys love to demagogue us as.


Now with that being said, I never agreed with TARP. I knew it was a crock, and a true conservative of which Bush was not, would have never done such a financially reckless thing imo.

But lets not act as if once again, Obama wasn't complicit in perpetuating Bushes actions {just like the wars} This is from one of your reputable news sources- ABC.

Bush to Ask for TARP; Obama to 'Rebrand' It

By MARK MOONEY
Jan. 12, 2009
President-elect Barack Obama asked President Bush today to request the release of the second $350 billion in federal bailout funds so he would have "ammunition" if the country's fragile economy weakened further.

The White House said that Bush has agreed to request the money.

Obama, speaking after a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, said it would be "irresponsible" to enter the White House without having asked Bush to request the funds. He called the cash "potential ammunition" in case the economy worsened.


Now my candidate would have done a multi faceted sensical approach which anyone with business experience knows would have stimulated growth. Now this may sound strange to a tax and spend democrat, but contrary to your beliefs, conservatives believe that you don't grow an economy by punishing the wealth creators. So with that being said.

I would immediately abolish the EPA, unnecessary, extremely politicized and an onerous burden to business growth.

I would put China's feet to the fire, immediately tariff their imports 35% unless they revalue their currency. Our trade imbalance with them is a few hundred billion a year. And I dont believe they would call in all the treasury notes they have, theyd be cutting their own noses to spite their face if they did.

Next I would immediately open up massive development of natural gas. We have more nat gas reserves than anyone else on earth and we are letting this valuable resource sit idly by. We have more than a 150 year supply by many estimations, and thats just of our known reserves.

Its funny to me that if the democrats are really about the environment and "global warming" that they dont jump on this, as nat gas is a cleaner, cheaper and many would say safer alternative to oil and cars can be made to run on it. In fact some public transportation already does.

Next I would not continue to give Fannie and Freddie blank checks for their horrible loan portfolios.

I would end ALL foreign aid, yes all, including Israel. We have to help ourselves before we can help anyone else.



I could go on and I will, but Im stepping out until later tonight.