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[Kalidogg24]

Larry Brown is looking for a Coaching Job in the NBA and we hired Mike Brown....... FML




P.S He also was somewhat considering an assistant coaching job with the Celtics.
I wonder if we have a shot at all?

[Slava]

I'd fly over to Cali/Boston and offer to pay Brown myself before he accepts to work under Rivers or Mike Brown. He's a hall of famer for heaven's sake.

[Doormatt]

There is no reason to consider Larry Brown while Adelman is still unemployed.

[Optms]

I prefer Brown over Adelman. Would have preferred any of the two greatly over MB.

[iamworthy]

Crap. Just when you thought the General board couldn't get any more stricter. Hide your smilies.

Do you guys read the player comparison thread? Why do I get the impressions that alot of people are missing alot of good basketball.

Do you mean they aren't watching basketball games?

I think a lot of them know what they're talking about, some have absolutely no clue obviously. The thing I hate about it though is that every analysis of a players game is based off of numbers. They'll talk about a player and how efficient he was, his PER, his supporting cast, accolades, etc.

Very seldom will they talk about what a player could do on the floor or what he couldn't do. Its frustrating to me because a lot of the posters there were around during the 80's, early 90's. I'd love to hear breakdowns of a players game from those eras a lot more. Maybe not the Magic's, Jordan's, or Bird's but some of the lesser known stars would made an impact for their teams during that era.

I think some are watching the game. Maybe I worded my comment wrong. It just seems weird that some if not most of that board comes off as dissing one guy to prop up the other guy, even though both guys are really good. Some of its actually pretty funny.

[DEEP3CL]

I don't get you guys clamoring over Larry Brown.....dude is a mentally toxic head case. He's mentally unstable and has never shown a commitment to stay somewhere more than 6 to 7 years. How in hell can you guys not see that this is a problem for him, great coach or not....in my opinion he's way overrated. Earlier in his career he had a penchant for turning teams around, but then he becomes redundant and guys tune him out.

He's an ego maniac, dictatorial, myopic, mentally depressed coach. Now he's resorted to begging to get on a staff, not realizing he'll never work in this league again because the almighty Jordan was the last to fire him. And if MJ doesn't want him why in hell should some other organization put up with his unstable antics ?

Some of you are being blinded by him being a great coach, the Brown I remember from his early days sucked.....he's not that great of a coach. That Pistons title gave him some sort of jump to elite status that he doesn't deserve. The Lakers would have been fools to even consider him, if it were based on the out pour of whining you see here for him.

Mike Brown will do fine here, I'm certainly not one getting sucked into the general hype of him being a failure....hell the man has only been a head coach for 5 years and accomplished a lot with barely nothing outside LeBron.

It's a reason these guys that some of you here are moaning over like teenage girls....don't have jobs or been hired by other team. Some here still crying for Rick "Failure" Adelman, dude couldn't even get the Pistons job. It's a reason for it that, maybe some of you here can't or refuse to understand.

NBA teams will now take chances on younger coaches weather they're retreads of not, they have a longer shelf life to become better coaches that these guys that have been dragged through the ringer for over 20 years already.

It's over for Adelman, L.Brown and anybody else that's stale.........it's over for them period.

[dockingsched]

Larry Brown is looking for a Coaching Job in the NBA and we hired Mike Brown....... FML




P.S He also was somewhat considering an assistant coaching job with the Celtics.
I wonder if we have a shot at all?

hell no to larry brown. i'd take mike brown over him 100 out of 100 times.

regardless of how people feel about the process the lakers went through to get to mike brown, i think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with how he gets the players to play defense and play consistently.

[Jase]

Adelman > M. Brown > L. Brown

But that's just me.

And I need to confess something.

I want Blake Griffin on the Lakers more than any other player in the league, D12 included. Am I alone in this thinking?

[iamworthy]

Adelman > M. Brown > L. Brown

But that's just me.

And I need to confess something.

I want Blake Griffin on the Lakers more than any other player in the league, D12 included. Am I alone in this thinking?

Yeah your alone in that thought. Blake is potential, D.Howard is the truth!

[Doormatt]

id definitely take Blake over any of the other young superstars (maybe even rose), but not over guys who have consistently proved they are great.

[Optms]

With regards to Mike Brown - I'll see it when I believe it. The same pessimistic view that some of you hold on Larry can be viewed upon the same with Mike B.

I thought it was kind of an insult to offer the Lakers coaching job to him then. He's an average at coach in this league at best who's been out coached in every series in which his team has has lost a series too. The adjustments made, or lack of, in games have gone hand in hand with Cleveland's many failures in recent post season memory.

There is of course one attribute I do like which he brings to the table. His defensive record with Cleveland speaks for itself. However, I feel like with the players the Lakers have on their roster ATM, we still can contend for a championship with this current core of guys and having someone to adjust and keep the boat steady in heavily contested series' will require a lot more than just some guy who rode on Lebron's success for some 5+ years with a mediocre playbook on offense. Why would any of you want anyone like that when trying to establish a title team again much less argue over for someone with Larry Brown's track record? I don't understand. This guy was a freaking Yes Man his entire stint in Cleveland. He was a joke and I can't take any argument seriously which has him or his doofus grin taking the bulk of their regular season success.

That's not to say Larry Brown doesn't bring his own bag of cons himself, because he does, but say what you will about him, at least he's a championship coach with experience with an even better defensive record. Success speaks in this league.

I didn't think Larry would have stuck around long term if we had offered him the spot, but long enough to where our championship window would still be open. That would have been reason enough for me to have been 100% behind the move.

[DEEP3CL]

Optms, you bring up very valid points about MB.......but let's leave the semantics out of it for a minute. The reason he was a "yes" man as you say is because you have to understand he was NEVER in full control as the coach anyway. Everybody knew LeBron ran that organization from the minute he walked through the door.

Here the situation will be different, and he knows this. The only argument guys can attack MB with all the time is failures as an offensive coach, something he's never said he was anyway. He laid his foundation with his defensive mind and principles.....something this team and organization needs to establish as it's identity period. Offense wasn't our problem, for those who go running to that they're lying to themselves. We were 41-4 last season when we scored 100+ points, and 14-11 when our opponents scored 100+ points. So to go running to "our problems we on offense" as I've seen here before...is point blank a damn lie.

Our eventual detriment was that we couldn't get stops, and as I said when we came out of camp last year that it would be our downfall. Fact of the matter is and I'm going to give the real here, Mike Brown is a way better defensive coach than Larry Brown all day. Knowing the history on Larry as I do going back to his early ABA/NBA days, he laid his hat on being an offensive minded guy.

That Piston title has skewed the minds of "now" generation, bottom line that group had to rely on defense since they weren't the greatest collection of offensive players. Sheed was about the only really good offensive guy on that roster, but even he toned his game down to fit in.

One championship may skew the thinking of many here, but not me....Larry Brown is an emotional wreck who seriously needs to be check for maybe being bipolar. Seriously I've never seen a coach who can't make is situations last longer than 6 years, the man has never stayed that long anywhere.

Offering a man like him a job just because we had a window of a title in view would be absolutely asinine in my opinion. The thing with our team is that while we're in a title contending stage, we're also closer to the stage of have to step to the future with out Kobe and maybe Pau being next afterwards. Brown is known to wreck teams along the way because his roster is NEVER to his satisfactory, it's always something with him or a player falls out of grace with him.

It's the reason he left Philly, he knew they wasn't letting go AI so he bounced, and in Detroit he had no say at all in player matters over Joe Dumars. He wanted players moved from there also, and when it didn't happen he bounced again. This time I was glad he was fired by Jordan, it finally exposed him as the prima dona he is.

[Optms]

^DEEP, its not necessary to downplay Brown's success with Philly or Detroit because no matter how you wanna nit pick, those clubs were extraordinary coached teams who largely owe their success to his coaching. That at least you have to agree on. He's no PJax or Popovich but he's earned the right to be respected a little more than what you're giving him. First the FO screws Shaw up the rear and now we're looking for blemishes on championship coach? Come on...

You know, neither of us know how the next year(s) will turn out. But what we know is both coaches bring their fair share of unpredictability. And when I look at these two, one thing is most important to me. Who I most trust to take this team back to the Finals. And Mike Brown isn't that guy. Even taking LB out of the equation, he just isn't. At this point with no games to judge, to have faith in Mike B would be to have a sense of belief that he's going to maximize our guys ability on the court and handle the inevitable criticism that'll come when things aren't going smooth, whether that be regular or post season.

This isn't the Cavaliers roster or the Cleveland market. If things go south, he's going to receive it hard in all ends with management looking like idiots for rolling the dice on him to begin with. He's not a championship coach and never has been at any level. So why should our players have to buy into his system when the results aren't coming?

There's just too many question marks with this guy that prevents me from having the same type of optimism most of you share. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Jase]

Adelman > M. Brown > L. Brown

But that's just me.

And I need to confess something.

I want Blake Griffin on the Lakers more than any other player in the league, D12 included. Am I alone in this thinking?

Yeah your alone in that thought. Blake is potential, D.Howard is the truth!

Hey, he was pretty darn impressive in his first year.

[iamworthy]

Adelman > M. Brown > L. Brown

But that's just me.

And I need to confess something.

I want Blake Griffin on the Lakers more than any other player in the league, D12 included. Am I alone in this thinking?

Yeah your alone in that thought. Blake is potential, D.Howard is the truth!

Hey, he was pretty darn impressive in his first year.

Yes sir!!

[Jase]

I really want to see what ends up happening to our roster. Do we get Howard or do we not? Can Bynum be healthy? Is Barnes a better player currently than Artest? Will Kobe's knee hold up the way he says it will? Will Pau be a Laker once the season starts, and if so, will he still be in his slump? Are the young guys going to get burn?

It seems like out roster is in some sort of floating, pending abyss. Lots of questions. Lots.

[Jetset]

Although it has nothing to do with the roster, a better question would be how well Mike Brown will respond to adversity and to a media who will be quick to call for his head the minute things go awry.

But I certainly hope Messina is our long term answer.

[crazyeights]

Almost seems like you're rooting for them to, Jetset.

It would take a pretty awful string of losing streaks for Mike Brown to be fired midseason his first year....No, our group is too talented and too veteran for the regular season to go that badly.

Now if we get bounced early from the playoffs after a mediocre season...then I could see it. But Mike Brown's teams are usually good regular season teams, I don't see why a team with more talent than he's accustomed to would be any different.

If we play this season, I expect him to make it through this year at least. We have Messina wrapped up for two so I get the feeling if that's an option they'd turn to, then MB's not really on the clock for another year. But maybe they were just planning for the lockout.

[Slava]

I'd actually say dealing with the media is one of his assets. He'll look very personable and nice to the people he meets and even if he does get fired, you'll just read the story that he's a talented coach but just didn't work out for him.

He actually waited 40 mins in the parking lot to meet an LAtimes guy after his press conference.

[crazyeights]

So I'm wondering...say the 2011-2012 does get locked out...what do they do about the draft? The lottery? Do they come up with new rankings or go by 2010-2011's records?

That would seem a little unfair, but how else would they do it?